Quality of high... What defines connesseur quality cannabis?

[swayzak]

Recently i've begun considering some ideal traits of top-notch weed when it comes to the effect. These are my ideals (sativa biased) you may have other ones...

Clean/ clear high and comedown: i mean clean in the sense that you don't feel confused/ 'fuzz helmet' and you have little to no burnout smoking all day.

Very Functional / no body load: when i come home i can't go comatose and become one with the sofa. Dishes, going to the supermarket, interacting with people requires a high that doesn't drain me, or effect co-ordination or speech.

No paranoia: this is key. And this is where most commercial sativas (Neville's haze, i'm looking at you.. ) fall short. Paranoia will absolutely ruin a good buzz. Forget about answering the phone, much less going outside..

Strong but not overwhelming: instead of delivering a knock me down wave that then runs out, i prefer a buzz that is more like a strong undercurrent. It stays just below the surface, but will quickly take you places if you go with the flow.

Euphoria and energy: a little of both goes a long way.



The closest i've gotten to these ideals is with zamal-based hybrids. Zamal delivers a very high quality buzz.. Calm, clear, no body load, and a little energy without being racy. I currently have some cannabiogen sativas growing and am eager to compare, but zamal has pointed me to what i want to find in other strains.

 

[memphis man]

everything you just said is exactly the same thing i look for. i hate the strains that make me noid or set me on the couch. i have got to say that my all time favorite has got to be blueberry. the shit tastes fire and puts me right where i wanna go without draining me or making me break my miniblinds

 

[sso]

the paranoid strains are actually better, once you get over the paranoia.

(just say fuck you to the paranoia, no thanks)

 

[Herbal extasy]

Thought those qualities are what you can find in weak weed. Pot that makes you most fucked up(lost in confusion, unable to move or communicate) is best connoisseur type of weed IMO. Those "clearly not high" weeds leaves you want more.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Have you tried a vaporizer? I find it to be a more subtle high, more of an undercurrent like you were talking about.

 

[swayzak]

Quality of high... What defines connesseur quality cannabis?

Memphis: blueberrry was my grail before, it's a damn fine smoke. I just haven't had any other than indica dominant versions.

Sso: paranoia can be overcome, but i don't want to have to "fight the high" and spend energy on managing the negative emotions. They can "hit" harder, but are less enjoyable to smoke.

Herbal: the attributes are not based on potency, but how the high feels. You are an indica lover, and that's great. Like i said, it's only my personal criteria. If i was looking for a good indica, the list would look different.

Cottonmouth: i love joints, but mainly use a bong. I will have to try a vape someday..

 

[Laugan Gaucher]

I smoke weed I grow since ten years and more and my fav weed is always neville haze selected strains ( f2,f3,f4,f x? ).

always the better with neville haze ( not mango, not titan, not all the other reworked haze...)

my neville haze is the grail ( it comes from GreenHouse 2005 edition )

 

[yesum]

Panama Red would fit your needs imo. From ACE or Cannabiogen. Takes me back to Colombian pot from the 70's. I get a lot of the things you mentioned with Maple Leaf Indica, but maybe not the amount of energy you require.

 

[Rusty420]

I look for similar traits in daytime smoke..i found flo/f13 to be all that and in 6weeks flower.

 

[Herbal extasy]

Herbal: the attributes are not based on potency, but how the high feels. You are an indica lover, and that's great. Like i said, it's only my personal criteria. If i was looking for a good indica, the list would look different.

Don't get me wrong, I like hazes too, but I have not seen them clear. Seen them more what I exactly look for, mindfuck and confusion.

Those clear qualities can be found from indy strains more easily IMO. You can find very clear high in Dutch passion Brainstorm. So clear, that you have to think "I'm I high?"

Nirvana PPP fits also in that clear category. Not overpowering, clear high + didn't have to think was I high.

 

[swayzak]

Quality of high... What defines connesseur quality cannabis?

Laugan: Interesting! I know you have grown quite a lot of zamal as well, so your answer surprised me. To be fair, the zamal hybrids i have all come from a zamal pheno of xline's zamal x Neville's haze, but i grew a large haze pheno from the same seeds and did not like it as much. How would you contrast zamal vs haze?

Yesum: funny you should say that, i'm growing a panama x columbian red (punta rosa) from cannabiogen..

Rusty: f13 is on my bucket list

Herbal: you are right, clarity can come from both sides of the spectrum. For me, a good indica leaves the body dissolved in an oceanic bliss.. Thought processes be damned!

 

[draco]

quality of the effect AND taste. you gotta have both.

my pheno of Mango haze produces NO paranoia; indeed that is the second thing i hear from those who enjoy my buds. the third thing is the taste.
the first thing is the quality of the high.

takes a hunnert days though...

 

[devilgoob]

the paranoia is stimulating and remains a type of intelligence I allure to.

 

[eloquentsoution]

medicinal value
flavor
aroma
sadly, i no longer feel head or euphoria.

 

[swayzak]

Quality of high... What defines connesseur quality cannabis?

Draco: you're right i forgot taste! And time... A good sativa takes time. My philosophy is that the number of days determines how complex cannaboids can develop. The plant matures over a longer 12-16 week season and it generates it's potential, it's full potential, only with patience. The difference in week 6 and week 16 of the possible variety of cannaboid profiles, is what makes me want the more unique longer flowering sativas.

Devilgoob: paranoia as a state of mind does give a different intelligence, i don't deny it fills a function.

 

[sso]

Memphis: blueberrry was my grail before, it's a damn fine smoke. I just haven't had any other than indica dominant versions.

Sso: paranoia can be overcome, but i don't want to have to "fight the high" and spend energy on managing the negative emotions. They can "hit" harder, but are less enjoyable to smoke.

paranoia has got nothing to do with the weed.

try smoking a "paranoid" strain in some place where there are absolutely no people you dont trust and no chance of them bugging you.

you are not fighting the weed, but your own insecurities.

 

[ftsig]

i vote ssh. its strong , has best quality high , doesnt build tolarence , doesnt have ceiling , and best of all its a sativa with an indica personality...

 

[swayzak]

Quality of high... What defines connesseur quality cannabis?

Sso: In that setting i agree it can be enjoyable, it's just not the setting that i can have most of the time. Oh well. Adapt and survive!

Eloquent: medicinal value.. A spanish psycotherapist used a sativa from la reunion island, where zamal originates from, with a local Andalusian sativa and a congolese strain to breed a seedline called Queen mother. He bred it for medicinal use. I hope to try it one day.

Ftsig: ssh .. I have some haze bought in amsterdam, that i think is ssh or close.. It's a nice smoke with a good haze aroma

 

[bodymind]

Swayzak! great thread! This is a really important thing for the masses of cannabis consumers and breeders to start breaking down.

My criteria are exactly like yours, and for me I've found it in a line a of Flo that I've been isolating for a few years now.

In an indica, i want the same effects but with a more relaxed and ease of sleeping type euphoria... still want the mental clarity though.

 

[Scottish Research]

For me I prefer a great head and body stone that does not leave me on the couch but still allows me to function and enhances my creativity.

In the past I have smoked weed that made me walk into walls and lose memory power while not intoxicated and for me that is not acceptable.


R.Fortune