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Amanda Knox is Free

Still can't believe otherwise sane people are still buying this 'evil foreign witch satanic sex game' bollox. The prosecutor also falsely accused a bunch of Italian celebs and politicians of being involved in a satanic baby murdering cabal (these things don't exist in real life) and at the time of the Kercher case was fighting for his job and needed a big case to save it. Enter Amanda Knox...


And? you pull up an abstract from someone promoting their book? you do know R saviano outted a lot of things and people in italy! have you read gomarroh? he took on the mafia and government and showed it all for the sham it is... of course he expected what was coming for doing so!! its fairly obvious and undoubtable that Rudy was involved in the killing and most probably the killer, what is also telling that the case probably will be closed as all evidence suggests others were involved, and most of it suggested these 2 that are now free... you do know the English press aren't exactly saying shes clear of it all don't you?

regardless of any "satanic sex things".. I like to look at the facts

FIVE REASONS KNOX IS GUILTY

1) The confession.

Knox confessed that she was in the house on the night of the murder and that she heard Miss Kercher scream, identifying a Congolese bar owner, Patrick Lumumba, as the assailant. She told the court during the trial that the confession was made under duress but then repeated the entire account in a five page memorandum the next morning.

2) The false accusation.

The prosecution said the fact that Knox falsely accused Lumumba of being the killer was a sign of her own guilt and an attempt to throw them off her trail. He was arrested in a dawn raid by armed police and spent two weeks in jail. It was only by chance that a Swiss businessman read about the case and came forward to say he had been talking to Lumumba in his bar on the night of the murder — offering him a rock-solid alibi. Lumumba says Knox nearly ruined his life and is suing her for defamation.

3) The alibi.

Sollecito could not back up Knox’s alibi on the night of the murder.

She claimed she spent the evening with him, smoking marijuana, watching the French film Amelie and making love. But Sollecito told police he could not remember if Knox was with him that evening or not.

Even assuming his memory was hazy because of the drugs, it seemed odd that a young man who had just embarked on a new relationship could not recall whether he had spent the night with his girlfriend or not.

4) Computer and telephone records.

Sollecito claimed he used his computer to download and watch cartoons and Amelie. But computer experts told the court that there was no activity on his laptop between 9.10pm on Nov 1, and 5.32am the next morning — the time frame in which the murder took place.

Knox and Sollecito turned off their mobile phones on the night of the murder, from around 8.40pm, and turned them back on at around 6am, inviting further suspicion.

5) The staged break-in.

A bedroom belonging to one of Miss Kercher’s Italian flatmates was ransacked on the night of the murder, with a window smashed with a rock. But police said the break-in was staged - broken glass from the window was found on top of clothes scattered on the floor, suggesting the window was broken after the contents of the room were messed up. Prosecutors accused Knox and her boyfriend of staging the break-in to make the killing look like a burglary that had turned into rape and murder.

REASONS FOR NOT GUILTY

1) Lack of motive.

There still seems to be no convincing motive for the murder.

Prosecutors said tensions between Knox and Miss Kercher had reached boiling point over disagreements about housework, hygiene and boyfriends. They claimed Knox was driven to rage by jealousy towards her British flatmate. But it seemed far-fetched to claim that such relatively minor differences would lead Knox to kill.

2) Lack of DNA.

None of Knox’s DNA was found in the bedroom in which Miss Kercher was stabbed to death. The prosecution claimed that Knox’s DNA was on the handle of the presumed murder weapon, a kitchen knife, and Kercher’s genetic material on the blade, linking the American to the killing.

They also said that Sollecito’s DNA was found on the clasp, which had been cut or torn off the bra, proving that he took part in the attack too.

But a review of the evidence by two independent experts from La Sapienza University in Rome found that the DNA traces were too low to be reliable and so small that they could not be retested.

The bra clasp was only found six weeks after the initial crime scene investigation, by which time it had been kicked around the floor of Miss Kercher’s bedroom, leading to a high risk of contamination.

3) No witnesses.

The prosecution struggled to come up with witnesses who could place Knox and Sollecito at the scene of the crime. A homeless drug addict, Antonio Curatolo, told the initial trial that he had seen Knox and her boyfriend arguing on the night of the murder near the scene of the crime. But during the appeal he gave confusing and contradictory evidence, mixing up dates, and admitted to regularly using heroin, further undermining his credibility.

Even Rudy Guede, the Ivory Coast-born drifter who was also convicted of the murder, initially said that Knox was not in the house on the night of the murder. He changed his story a few months after his arrest, saying that on coming out of the bathroom he had grappled with a stranger, who could have been Sollecito, and that he saw Knox’s silhouette outside the house.

4) Doubts over the murder weapon.

Police and prosecutors said Miss Kercher was killed with a 6.5 inch long kitchen knife found in Sollecito’s apartment. But the blade of the knife did not match two out of three of the wounds to her neck.

Nor did it match a bloody, knife-shaped smear on Miss Kercher’s bedclothes. The trial judge said that two knives must have been used; the second has never been found.

5) The false confession.

The defence said that when Knox "confessed" to being in the house on the night of the murder and could remember hearing Miss Kercher scream, she was traumatised and acting under extreme psychological pressure after an all night interrogation by police. Knox told the trial that during the questioning she had been cuffed around the head by an officer and told that if she did not start cooperating she would face decades in jail. She was questioned without a lawyer being present and at the time she knew only basic Italian.

my take is theres too much lying for no reason and the fact if a swiss businessman had not stepped foward and given a alibi to Patrick Lumumba he would of rotted in jail... I look foward to seeing how much she makes though!!

anyway Justice for Meredith who this is really about!..
 

Krull

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First process: 25 years guilty
Second: free thanks to evidences suddenly fucked up

Money talks. Thats Italy... i know my country really well so forget the newspapers...
The only one in jail is a poor black guy... but in that house there was a party gone bad with more people involved in one way or another...
Even if i'm really ashamed for Meredith and his family there are bigger issues in my country and in the world, so lets go on and forget this overhyped shit.

Peace

=K
 

DiscoBiscuit

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... my take is theres too much lying for no reason and the fact if a swiss businessman had not stepped foward and given a alibi to Patrick Lumumba he would of rotted in jail... I look foward to seeing how much she makes though!!

anyway Justice for Meredith who this is really about!..

The guilty 'facts' are enough to investigate. Not so sure about a guilty verdict. Some isn't evidence of guilt, it's just suspicion. Like the glass on the clothing. No proof beyond a reasonable doubt the clothing wasn't already on the floor.

Never mind that 1 and 2 are the same thing.:) So you have 4 interesting, possibly suspicious aspects. If that's all the prosecutor had, I'm surprised she was found guilty in the first trial.

And if the prosecutor really did believe in celeb baby killers (with no dead babies) he's possibly nuts.
 
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Hoover_lungz

I think the prosecution made such a shambles of the whole case that even if she is Guilty, we will never know now. I feel sorry for the murdered girl and her familly, thats who we should be really feeling sorry for.
 
The guilty 'facts' are enough to investigate. Not so sure about a guilty verdict. Some isn't evidence of guilt, it's just suspicion. Like the glass on the clothing. No proof beyond a reasonable doubt the clothing wasn't already on the floor.

Never mind that 1 and 2 are the same thing.:) So you have 4 interesting, possibly suspicious aspects. If that's all the prosecutor had, I'm surprised she was found guilty in the first trial.

And if the prosecutor really did believe in celeb baby killers (with no dead babies) he's possibly nuts.

The prosecuter was/is a disgrace theres no doubt of that.. but with those "facts" its been enough in the past in some countries to of warranted the death penalty!... if I was the Kercher family I'd be looking to sue both the prosecution and the other two myself....
 

DiscoBiscuit

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The prosecuter was/is a disgrace theres no doubt of that.. but with those "facts" its been enough in the past in some countries to of warranted the death penalty!... if I was the Kercher family I'd be looking to sue both the prosecution and the other two myself....

The part in red doesn't really address innocence or guilt in the case. Suspicious, yes. I don't know Italy's standard of justice. If it's beyond reasonable doubt, I'm not surprised Knox was released.
 

dagnabit

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interesting question DB...

is italy a "beyond reasonable doubt" nation?

what is the standard for conviction?

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best i can come up with is yes...
their system is derived from naopleonic code which evolved to include reasonable doubt.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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I don't like to see guilty people walk but the state has an obligation to prove charges. Otherwise we might find ourselves subjected to narratives instead of evidence.

Anybody read about the 14 year old boy executed in 1944 South Carolina? The boy had no representation and supposedly confessed after given ice cream during the interrogation.

There's no trial records other than the basic information regarding arrest, confession, verdict and execution. This kind of stuff isn't supposed to happen to adults, let alone a little boy.
 

igrowone

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i believe there is an underlying concept of justice that is seldom mentioned
many legal systems have a presumption of innocence, but people are not wired that way
most people tend to have a presumption of guilt for the accused, this is a common heritage of humanity
in reality, proving innocence is the unacknowledged law in the room
 

hunt4genetics

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The cynic in me says "Casey Anthony you better sign a deal quick for a November sweeps interview. Because now Knox is the big get. A news program won't feel dirty paying Knox for an interview as they would with Casey.

Dear Casey you are about to get low balled.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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I just read that Anthony's defense team tried to get her psychological help. Like the typical sociopath, she refused.

good synopsis, igrowone.:) I hate to see guilty peeps walk but the alternative is a greater evil, IMO. It's probably different sitting in the jury box than it is reading the headline.

I don't subscribe to the death penalty and would have a harder time rendering a guilty verdict if execution applied. But if evidence was beyond reasonable doubt I'd reluctantly go with the system.
 
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well good thing Italy doesn't have the death penalty - she and the other dude would have been gonners like 4 years ago. Good example of why death penalty is THE WRONG THING TO DO
 

Harry Gypsna

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Shes out on technical reasons really--Italian police incompetence i handling the evidence which led to the possibility of it having being cross contaminated-meaning it couldnt be relied on--not quite the same as being aquitted with a resounding Not Guilty.
I wonder if poor Meridiths folks will get any movie money--because some time in jail is still piddling compared to being murdered or having a loved one murdered.
I wonder how it would have turned out if it had been the rich girl dread and the working class girl in the frame.
I say TV should give her a million bucks--for a live polygraph
 

Green lung

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I wonder how it would have turned out if it had been the rich girl dread and the working class girl in the frame.

I think your right it probably would have turned out different if the the African gentleman had murdered the American girl instead of the British young lady, I think the investigation would have been investigated totally differently.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Shes out on technical reasons really--Italian police incompetence i handling the evidence which led to the possibility of it having being cross contaminated-meaning it couldnt be relied on--not quite the same as being aquitted with a resounding Not Guilty.

Exactly correct. I just hope you're not deducing guilt from that.

I wonder if poor Meridiths folks will get any movie money--because some time in jail is still piddling compared to being murdered or having a loved one murdered.
I wonder how it would have turned out if it had been the rich girl dread and the working class girl in the frame.
I say TV should give her a million bucks--for a live polygraph
I'm not sure Italy can extradite on a slander etc charge. Where did the Knox wealth come into the picture? Knox might have been in an exchange program. Even if she wasn't, lots of middle class kids go to school in Europe. Do we know the Knox' don't qualify as working class? I mean, if they work and all...

If a polygraph isn't admissible in court, Knox needs one like a hole in the head. The court of public opinion is more than capable of rendering guilt w/o a polygraph.
 
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Stoner4Life

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my guess is that Amanda Knox doesn't do much traveling outside the borders of the good ol' US of A ever again.......
 

med_breeder

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November sweeps is around the corner. She will be th e big interview!


I AGREE casey Anthony fudged up, she may just get 20 grand for her sit down.


pax,
 

Syd

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I've read some italian newspapers and that's sinthetically what they're saying:
police made big errors in collecting evidences, above all for dna samples. These errors are too big to be considered unintentional. An italian old reputed ex-judge called these policemen "the classic evidences destruction team". So the common opinion is that USA government made big preassures because tradictionally it never wants american citizens to face trials abroad and there are comparisons with the Cernis tragedy of some years ago.
 

flubnutz

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i'd hit 'em both, but i bet in a short time i'd want to have that casey anthony put to sleep. i'm thinkin' that amanda knox is freakeeeeeey.

hey, i'm just sayin' ... :)
 

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