Breaking Bad

[Kush_Master]

No way walt is behind the poisoning! Hes a family man and would never hurt a child. Come on!
Gus on the other hand is a guy who doesnt give a shit about anything and has a habit of cutting ppl up with boxcutters.

Im still wondering why gus didnt go to the car. The director didnt show any reflection of walt glasses. Maybe it was just gus being paranoid or having a "hunch". I hope it will be explained later.

 

[John Deere]

I'm not buying that Gus saw any reflection off Walt's glasses, either. That's way too far fetched for reality. I think he was just figuring out what had just happened with Jesse and what his next move was going to be. And where'd he go? Back into the hospital was my assumption. Hmm...

we've just begun the second series here in OZ.

found myself puzzled as to how Skyler knows Walt is a cooker? I know he made a slip under anaesthetic about his secret phone ... but as to the real secret, how come?

I 'm sure I didn't miss a single episode of the first series, so can anyone enlighten me?

Wilbur--go back and start reading this thread from the beginning. That's what I did until I got caught up. Or you can find online episodes and watch all you want up to current.

 

[InJoy]

Appropriate Response

Appropriate Response

AMAZING show, just incredibly well done.


So many angles to go off, but IMHO........Gus is behind the poisoning.

The scene with Walt & his infant as Skylar is being escorted by the DEA shows he still has compassion towards his innocent child........could he really hurt an innocent child?.........yet?? Plus, he doesn't seem to have the ability to get to Jessie, to steal the ricin, without being seen by Gus's men.


In the dea/lab scene with Gomez searching the laundry mat, Gus was talking to Jessie on the phone. After pushing harder for taking out Walt, Jessie still says no, Gus ends with "there will be an appropriate response." Could poisoning Brok be an "appropriate response"? It got Jessie to nearly off Walt without question........

Brotherindica nailed it

Watched it again and was comin back to say that was most def the "appropriate response" but Brother already caught that.

Walt, use a kid like that? Naaa

I think the ricen was taken at the lab and Jesse just hadn't realized the missing cig. when he did realize it he already had the cig out just happened to notice it before he closed the pack. Makes mi think Jesse with alot of shit on his mind might have missed it coz as pointed out no way that was his first cig but with all the shit on his mind it's plausable that he didn't notice it missing but still had a smoke or 2.


Think Gus makes exactly as much blue as he can sell within his network.

I agree though anybody who spent time assisting the cook could follow the procedure Walt created, the artwork is done, they just need to copy.

Def a few holes in the story but i can forgive a few coz overall he's made it pretty realistic and very interesting.


Dexter anybody?

 

[michael68]

Is ricin active when smoked?

Cause we all know how kids can be, could be he stole a cig from Jesse.

 

[HempHut]

Is ricin active when smoked?

Cause we all know how kids can be, could be he stole a cig from Jesse.

It was in a vial in the cig, so he would be smoking glass and the plastic lid before actually getting the ricin.

Also, Jesse said he checked in the morning and he had the ricin, so he still had it after the kid was hanging out at his place the previous night.

 

[alexie1]

South America took in plenty of Nazis after WW2 especially Chile, some of those worked for Pinochet.
Nazis=German
The holding owning Pollo Hermanos, Laundry, air filter manufacturer = German
Frings= German name

yeah true that!

and in my book hitler and mengele developed amphetamines alot..

Amphetamine was first synthesized in 1887 by the Romanian chemist Lazăr Edeleanu in Berlin, Germany

and..alittle google says...The related compound methamphetamine was first synthesized from ephedrine in Japan in 1920 by chemist Akira Ogata, via reduction of ephedrine using red phosphorus and iodine. The pharmaceutical Pervitin was a tablet of 3 mg methamphetamine which was available in Germany from 1938 and widely used in the Wehrmacht

great show! breaking bad rocks!

i want a lab like that but i be doing thc oil

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

No way walt is behind the poisoning! Hes a family man and would never hurt a child. Come on!
Gus on the other hand is a guy who doesnt give a shit about anything and has a habit of cutting ppl up with boxcutters.

Walt, use a kid like that? Naaa

This is exactly why Walt knows it would work... He specifically laid the mental tracks for Jessie to accept that Gus had done it because he had fucked with children before.

Further, Walt has the skill to deliver a non-lethal dose. This move doesn't have to make him a vicious child-killer. We also know from interviews with the show creator that Walt will do something "unforgivable."

Why else would the security guard have stolen Jesse's pack of cigs?

And keep in mind, it doesn't have to be the ricin in his pack... It just had to be removed at some point so that Jesse would assume it is what made the kid sick and that it was something only Walt knew about.

Also, remember when walt is spinning his gun out back... Points at him twice, then points at a plant in the garden. That plant is the Hyacinth... A poisonous flower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinth_(plant)

 

[Kush_Master]

Shit man i dont know if youre reading too much into the show are actually right on point. If youre right that would be really fucked up!!!

 

[InJoy]

This is exactly why Walt knows it would work... He specifically laid the mental tracks for Jessie to accept that Gus had done it because he had fucked with children before.

Further, Walt has the skill to deliver a non-lethal dose. This move doesn't have to make him a vicious child-killer. We also know from interviews with the show creator that Walt will do something "unforgivable."

Why else would the security guard have stolen Jesse's pack of cigs?

And keep in mind, it doesn't have to be the ricin in his pack... It just had to be removed at some point so that Jesse would assume it is what made the kid sick and that it was something only Walt knew about.

Also, remember when walt is spinning his gun out back... Points at him twice, then points at a plant in the garden. That plant is the Hyacinth... A poisonous flower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinth_(plant)

Dam your clever i was thinking about that gun scene sure it meant something but couldn't figure it out.

Shockin but now you make me say possible.

I guess we should recall Jesse's other gf as well.


Still the patdown shows no pack of cigs goin in or out of any pocket especially Jesse's i didn't do slo mo but i watched twice saw the hand go in the pocket at the end but nothin more.

Good catch Bongjangles.

 

[mitch_connor]

I thought the gun spinning part was perhaps Walt thinking if it would be easier just to off himself, rather than wait for whoever to come and pop him!

Great theories though.. Just about to watch that episode again

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Dam your clever i was thinking about that gun scene sure it meant something but couldn't figure it out.

Shockin but now you make me say possible.

I guess we should recall Jesse's other gf as well.


Still the patdown shows no pack of cigs goin in or out of any pocket especially Jesse's i didn't do slo mo but i watched twice saw the hand go in the pocket at the end but nothin more.

Good catch Bongjangles.

Yeah, I wasn't able to see the pack swap during the actual frisk, but in that still, Huell seems to be slipping a pack of cigs into his pocket.

Subtle for sure though, and frankly I'm glad someone sees it another way - keeps the suspense up.

On a lighter note...

 

[HempHut]

The problem I have with the security guard picking the pack of smokes is that he would need to replace it with another pack and that pack would need to have roughly the same number as smokes as the original. When I was a smoker I always had a ball park figure of how many smokes I had left in a pack -- if the pack was say half empty and was replaced with a pack almost full, then I'd know something was up. Add in the fact that Jesse is going to be more aware of his smoke pack because he's carrying the ricin in it, you would need to know ahead of time how many smokes were in the ricin pack in order to be able to switch it out without causing suspicion. I know when I even had a gram or two of hash in a smoke packet I would keep checking to make sure it hadn't fallen out -- if it was something like deadly poison I think I would be checking even more often.

However, this does tie into my suspicion about never seeing Jesse light a smoke that whole day from the time he finished work -- the first time we see him open his pack is at the hospital, so that would be the first time he might notice the number of smokes is not right. He panics pretty fast, so I guess it's conceivable that if the count was off he didn't clue into the fact.

I still find it odd that he's home on his couch playing with his lighter, but hasn't lit a smoke -- that's just not a smoker's behaviour -- you have your lighter in hand playing around you are very likely to light one within a few minutes.

Good argument, though, Mr Bongjangles. Another point in favour is that Walt would likely go to almost any length to protect his own family/children, and the death threat against them is one of the few things likely to push him into considering putting someone else's child in harm's way. And as InJoy says, we shouldn't forget Jesse's last girlfriend -- Walt let her die because she came between Walt and Jesse, so it's not much of a stretch to put the kid in a bit of danger to keep Gus from coming between Walt and Jesse.

Think I hold off this thread 'til the next episode airs -- lots of good discussion, but I don't want to out think the final before I've seen it.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

The problem I have with the security guard picking the pack of smokes is that he would need to replace it with another pack and that pack would need to have roughly the same number as smokes as the original. When I was a smoker I always had a ball park figure of how many smokes I had left in a pack -- if the pack was say half empty and was replaced with a pack almost full, then I'd know something was up. Add in the fact that Jesse is going to be more aware of his smoke pack because he's carrying the ricin in it, you would need to know ahead of time how many smokes were in the ricin pack in order to be able to switch it out without causing suspicion. I know when I even had a gram or two of hash in a smoke packet I would keep checking to make sure it hadn't fallen out -- if it was something like deadly poison I think I would be checking even more often.

However, this does tie into my suspicion about never seeing Jesse light a smoke that whole day from the time he finished work -- the first time we see him open his pack is at the hospital, so that would be the first time he might notice the number of smokes is not right. He panics pretty fast, so I guess it's conceivable that if the count was off he didn't clue into the fact.

I still find it odd that he's home on his couch playing with his lighter, but hasn't lit a smoke -- that's just not a smoker's behaviour -- you have your lighter in hand playing around you are very likely to light one within a few minutes.

Good argument, though, Mr Bongjangles. Another point in favour is that Walt would likely go to almost any length to protect his own family/children, and the death threat against them is one of the few things likely to push him into considering putting someone else's child in harm's way.

Think I hold off this thread 'til the next episode airs -- lots of good discussion, but I don't want to outhink the final before I've seen it.

About the cig count - I don't think it matters much because Jesse is meant to realize that the pack was tampered with.

All that matters is that it happened after Jesse left work, so that Walt could convince him it was tampered with there and implicate Gus in the poisoning.

 

[HempHut]

About the cig count - I don't think it matters much because Jesse is meant to realize that the pack was tampered with.

All that matters is that it happened after Jesse left work, so that Walt could convince him it was tampered with there and implicate Gus in the poisoning.

Yeah, good point.

It would matter if he had opened the pack earlier and noticed the count off between getting dropped off at his car and leaving Saul's place -- if he had lit one in the car and then lit one later after leaving Saul's or when back home and there was a discrepancy.

That's where I was having a problem -- that's what a smoker would do, but Jesse didn't. Could very well be he didn't because if he did the story couldn't unfold the way they want it to -- they violated "smoker's rules" for the sake of the story and it wasn't sitting with me right. Makes sense.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

 

[hunt4genetics]

Gilligan was an executive producer on the X-Files.

That's interesting to know...

 

[InJoy]

*Gif Master* Mr. Bongjangles

*Gif Master* Mr. Bongjangles

Good stuff Thanks... the one of Heizenberg throwin that explosive meth was TOP shelf i couldn't stop watchin that when i first saw it Brilliant...

I knew about Vince and X files thats why i'm convinced the gov. is dirty present with dea (think it's the boss not gomez but not sure) and past with some CIA Special services war stuff maybe guns n drugs Iran Contra or the like somehow connected to Gus and maybe Mike.

 

[Dr.NO]

Nice GIF thanks for that Bojangles! I haven't been on ICmag for awhile, but I came by to see if this thread is still going. Glad to see it is going strong! So much going on this season I guess I'll wait til the finale to state my thoughts. I will say it's hard to think what will occur next season and my biggest question is will Gus still be around after the finale?? Doubt it.

 

[brotherindica]

This is exactly why Walt knows it would work... He specifically laid the mental tracks for Jessie to accept that Gus had done it because he had fucked with children before.

Further, Walt has the skill to deliver a non-lethal dose. This move doesn't have to make him a vicious child-killer. We also know from interviews with the show creator that Walt will do something "unforgivable."

Why else would the security guard have stolen Jesse's pack of cigs?

And keep in mind, it doesn't have to be the ricin in his pack... It just had to be removed at some point so that Jesse would assume it is what made the kid sick and that it was something only Walt knew about.

Also, remember when walt is spinning his gun out back... Points at him twice, then points at a plant in the garden. That plant is the Hyacinth... A poisonous flower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinth_(plant)

Hmmmm, some good points Bong! You got me thinking.....



Definitely see that scenario as a possibility. Unhealthy dose requiring medical attention versus lethal dose, totally forgot to account for that. Only thing I'd guess different would be the Hyacinth.

Only the bulb is toxic, not overly so, and primarily produces GI symptoms......not the pulmonary issues Brok was having needing the oxygen/respirator.....

However, with Walt having the chemistry knowledge he does I'd imagine he'd be able to synthesize something easily enough....




This is why I love this show.......never quiet 100% sure where it's going at any one time.

 

[InJoy]

Nice GIF thanks for that Bojangles! I haven't been on ICmag for awhile, but I came by to see if this thread is still going. Glad to see it is going strong! So much going on this season I guess I'll wait til the finale to state my thoughts. I will say it's hard to think what will occur next season and my biggest question is will Gus still be around after the finale?? Doubt it.

Welcome Back

Hope so and his past unfolds over a few eps but somebody gonna die sunday, maybe not? maybe another cliff hanger...