CNS17 vs Dyna Gro

[spurr]

i just wish Jacks had Cobalt and Nickel otherwise id switch over to them 100%. also at least a little bit of NH4 would be nice.

Co, Ni, Cl, etc., are found as contaminants in fertilizer compounds and water source, thus they are not needed. That is, we shouldn't (or at least don't need to) try and add them, unless we are using reagent grade fertilizer compounds, which none of us are, nor are any companies.

FWIW, there has been an ongoing scientific debate about whether Co is 'good' for most plants ... I am on the side of "yes it is, but only in very, very low concentration, well below that of Na for example".

 

[dizzlekush]

@Spurr thanks for your 2 cents. if ill ever give anyone the benefit of the doubt, it'll be you. but to be honest i've been at a bit of a loss when trying to find the reason as to why Dyna-Gro, with its seemingly very unfavorable macro nutrient levels, seems to constantly outperform more 'optimal' nutrient profiles provided by other companies. the only thing i could attribute this increased performance to is a more "complete" nutrient profile (i.e. all micronutrients). any thoughts on this?

"Co, Ni, Cl, etc.,"
can you please list all micronutrients that you find unnecessary to be provided in nutrient solution? aside from Na, im not so sure what micronutrients you mean by "etc".

 

[alvarezzzi]

Dyna Gro user here, been down the road with all the other brands and this stuff plain kicks ass. I use the full line of their goodies, have change left in my pocket, healthy ass plants, and the end result is the smoothest smoking kindness ever.

 

[spurr]

@Spurr thanks for your 2 cents. if ill ever give anyone the benefit of the doubt, it'll be you. but to be honest i've been at a bit of a loss when trying to find the reason as to why Dyna-Gro, with its seemingly very unfavorable macro nutrient levels, seems to constantly outperform more 'optimal' nutrient profiles provided by other companies. the only thing i could attribute this increased performance to is a more "complete" nutrient profile (i.e. all micronutrients). any thoughts on this?

What is the ppm profile and fertilizer compounds used?

"Co, Ni, Cl, etc.,"
can you please list all micronutrients that you find unnecessary to be provided in nutrient solution? aside from Na, im not so sure what micronutrients you mean by "etc".

I mean other metals that are only now being understood to be beneficial, as well as selenium (Se), etc. I'll post up some info on this topic soon. Awhile ago I was looking for a source of Ni to include, and I found nickle sulfate (hexahydrate) NiSO4(H2O)6. However, I decided not to include Ni, as well as to not include either calcium chloride or potassium chloride (for Cl), because both Ni and Cl (as well as Co) are found as contamination. However, I do add Na via sodium molybdate (Na2MoO4), mostly for the molybdenum (Mo) but the Na helps too ... fwiw, if we were growing opium poppies we need to add Na.

 

[toohighmf]

I been recommending Dyna bloom forever.. shit works great and you really can't screw it up.

 

[dizzlekush]

What is the ppm profile and fertilizer compounds used?

the nutrient lines i tried were Humboldt Nutrients Master A+B as recommended by feeding chart for drain to waste (dont judge, first venture into growing a plant), Cutting Edge Solutions trying to go for the classic Mel Franks 1-1-2-.6 N-P-K-Mg, and Advanced Nutrients Sensi with Big Bud and Overdrive.

i have a close family member who im deeply involved with their grow, who has run Cutting Edge Nutrients, FH Flora 3 part, Pure Blend Pro, and Maxibloom.

there's a member at RIU by the name of Homebrewer that has some nice comparison grows where he tested Dyna-Gro vs AN Connoisseur and Dyna Gro vs GH Flora 3 part.

http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358562-dyna-gro-vs-general-hydroponics.html
http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429438-dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients.html#post5684072

in all 3 of our grows (and many other less confirmed comparisons from my perspective), in all situations the plants grown with Dyna-Gro outperformed the comparing nutrient line. i dont recall any EC/PPM measurements for me or my family members grow but all plants were fed roughly the same EC throughout.

I mean other metals that are only now being understood to be beneficial, as well as selenium (Se), etc. I'll post up some info on this topic soon. Awhile ago I was looking for a source of Ni to include, and I found nickle sulfate (hexahydrate) NiSO4(H2O)6. However, I decided not to include Ni, as well as to not include either calcium chloride or potassium chloride (for Cl), because both Ni and Cl (as well as Co) are found as contamination. However, I do add Na via sodium molybdate (Na2MoO4), mostly for the molybdenum (Mo) but the Na helps too ... fwiw, if we were growing opium poppies we need to add Na.

good to know. looking forward for more info on micros.

 

[dizzlekush]

I been recommending Dyna bloom forever.. shit works great and you really can't screw it up.

thanks for your about Dyna-Gro Bloom. im a little surprised you don't have more to say about any of the other nutrient lines. never used any of them?

 

[toohighmf]

obviously you don't read my posts. I am an ex technical rep for AN. I own a hydroshop. I distribute specialty niche products. I am an ex snake oil peddler gone straight.. I have used:
peter's, jacks professional, osmocote, super grow/bloom 1 part powder (white can w typewritten label back in the late '80's) then on to their SVA/B liquid 2 part, supernaturals, GH flora series, lucas, MB, Floramato, FNB, Nutrilife heavy harvest 2 part, ALL AN liquid fertilizers including their "Super Nutrient" line (supernaturals aqua, terra, formulas) Ionic, CES, Canna, B'cuzz, botanicare, earthjuice, foxfarm, Rock, Technoflora, DNF, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Heavy 16 sounds like the real deal too and can't wait to try it.

Fertilizer is 1-10% of the equation. enviro, water quality, and root health are going to do the most for plants. you can feed a plant the bare esentials and as long as the PH is in an acceptable range, it will bloom jut fine.

everyone is just stuck on marketing hype, or has a friend that grows the best weed on the planet and he uses this and that blah blah blah. They all work. I like the dynagrow Bloom because with tapwater I use very little. 3-4ml/gal.
concentration and having all 16 essential minerals are important for me. if I'm going to buy water w salts in it, it better be stabile and require a very low dose.

 

[John Deere]

LOL

Got one lobbed one over home plate for ya there, toohighmf.

So, I'm running MB in coco, 1 tsp/gal using tap water. I can just switch over to the same ratio of DG-B? Maybe a bit less? Thanks. jd

 

[dizzlekush]

obviously you don't read my posts. I am an ex technical rep for AN. I own a hydroshop. I distribute specialty niche products. I am an ex snake oil peddler gone straight.. I have used:
peter's, jacks professional, osmocote, super grow/bloom 1 part powder (white can w typewritten label back in the late '80's) then on to their SVA/B liquid 2 part, supernaturals, GH flora series, lucas, MB, Floramato, FNB, Nutrilife heavy harvest 2 part, ALL AN liquid fertilizers including their "Super Nutrient" line (supernaturals aqua, terra, formulas) Ionic, CES, Canna, B'cuzz, botanicare, earthjuice, foxfarm, Rock, Technoflora, DNF, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Heavy 16 sounds like the real deal too and can't wait to try it.

Fertilizer is 1-10% of the equation. enviro, water quality, and root health are going to do the most for plants. you can feed a plant the bare esentials and as long as the PH is in an acceptable range, it will bloom jut fine.

everyone is just stuck on marketing hype, or has a friend that grows the best weed on the planet and he uses this and that blah blah blah. They all work. I like the dynagrow Bloom because with tapwater I use very little. 3-4ml/gal.
concentration and having all 16 essential minerals are important for me. if I'm going to buy water w salts in it, it better be stabile and require a very low dose.

lol, i've read some of your posts man and i know you've used alot of nutrients and own a shop, didn't know the AN rep thing though. i was asking more specifically about the nutrient lines i mentioned in my OP, namely Ionic, Hesi, CNS17 and G.H.E. One Part, although id like to hear about your experiences with Jacks Classic/Professional as well.

 

[toohighmf]

They all work great. Jacks & peter's is the cheapest w highest concentration rates. They just sometimes lack a mineral or 2 or 3 that Dynabloom has. I never used CNS-17 but I have heard great things. But then again, I never heard anyone tell me a single base fert totally sucks... they usually blame the dozen additives their using and can never pin point the culprit lol! I like ionic a lot too. it is more expensive, so I only used tradeshow samples. I have no idea what the GHE 1 part is being a spoiled American, and Hesi is a basic 3 part like GH, AN, CES, etc.. FNB is a great 1 part if you can keep in in suspension and keep it from precipitating in both the bottle and res. Basically you gotta use what you buy quick and you better have a drill and paint mixer to properly mix it. maxibloom is cheap affordable and easily mixes into your res. add some humics and you pretty much have FNB..

 

[toohighmf]

LOL

Got one lobbed one over home plate for ya there, toohighmf.

So, I'm running MB in coco, 1 tsp/gal using tap water. I can just switch over to the same ratio of DG-B? Maybe a bit less? Thanks. jd

5ml is a good number to start with fa sho. By the way, I do the pitching around here, boss! you can mow the field when the games over!

 

[Junkhead]

If you look hard enough in the vintage cannabis photography thread there's an ad in a early 80's high times for dyna gro that has pot plants in it. You better believe it still works today

 

[Lowman]

, and Hesi is a basic 3 part like GH, AN, CES, etc..

I use Hesi sometimes....and it's a one part for coco. From their literature....it looks like all their main lines are one part...aside from one for grow and one for bloom.

 

[dizzlekush]

I use Hesi sometimes....and it's a one part for coco. From their literature....it looks like all their main lines are one part...aside from one for grow and one for bloom.

Hesi has hydroponic grow and bloom nutrients, a coco bloom formula, a half natural grow formula, and their original bloom formula, all one parters. all have amino acid chelate instead of EDTA IIRC.

 

[toohighmf]

HESI used to only have a 3 part just like all the other 3 parts. I'm not a Euro so I haven't seen the stuff on a shelf here in some time. I'll have to look into their 1 part. thanks!

 

[Lowman]

HESI used to only have a 3 part just like all the other 3 parts. I'm not a Euro so I haven't seen the stuff on a shelf here in some time. I'll have to look into their 1 part. thanks!

I have zero complaints with their coco formula. They originally had it as the nute from start to finish in coco...but they now have it listed for bloom, and another one for veg.

 

[dizzlekush]

its strange that their coco formula has the same K as their soil and hydroponic.

 

[Lowman]

its strange that their coco formula has the same K as their soil and hydroponic.

I thought the same thing. Hesi knows their shit though. I have used the coco in flower twice...and I'm on my third run now. Nothin but positive results.

 

[dizzlekush]

a few days ago i did some browsing through the Jacks Professional line and decided to make a list of nutrient that i thought could be useful for marijuana growing. i doubt anyone will find a cheaper nutrient line that gives them an even comparable outcome. Jacks is amazingly priced for the quality of product. i added the list onto the first page. you can view the list here

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4696116&postcount=3

so far ive only used the Jacks Pro Hydo 5-12-26 and Jacks Pro Bloom Booster, but many of them look promising.