Help! Drooping and Red Viens KUSH

[komakulshan]

Hi, I am running some Royal Kush in 1 gal pots from clones.
I have them under a 400 wat for now while I get my other spot ready. They are three weeks out from transplanting from cloning tray. For the first few weeks they were trhinving, and now the new growth is curling down and becoming paler and paler yellow, and the stems are becoming more red. I was told to feed these ladies pretty heavily. I have been giving them 1 tbls of liquid karma per gallon, and pure blend pro 7.5 ml per gallon and some cal mag every other week. I burned them a tiny bit in the begining and then backed off, but I have been feeding them almost everytime.
Do yall think this is a deficiency? It looks like it, but I am kinda of lost. THe botanicare is pretty low percentages, co it could definitaly be.
ANY THOUGHTS?
THANKS
PEACE

 

[komakulshan]

Quick clarification,
I have been feeding them with the liquid karma every watering for micro nutes and root growth, and the pure blend pro pretty much everywatering at 7.5 ml per gallon, then adding calmag every other watering.

 

[RubeGoldberg]

probably a build up from when they burnt causing a pH lockout.

- What is the pH going in?
- What is the pH of the runoff?

 

[Zanddar]

Too much food.Flush flush flush.
Always start out slow unless the plant shows it needs more.
Always feed what the plant shows it needs,not what others tell you to.

 

[VerdantGreen]

red stems and leaf veins i always take to be the early signs of them being hungry, and top leaves yellowing also be a sign of deficiency - but without pics its always going to be hard to tell.

VG

 

[Stress_test]

red stems and leaf veins i always take to be the early signs of them being hungry, and top leaves yellowing also be a sign of deficiency - but without pics its always going to be hard to tell.

VG

Hey VG, I haven't flowered a lot of Kush... I completely agree with you post and advice, especially with the yellowing leaves. But isn't the reddish/purplish stems and veins kinda typical in many Kush strains?

I know that I've got some Pre8 BK 20 days into flower now that is starting to show some reddening of the stems and veins, but none of the 6 or 7 other strains are showing any indications of deficiencies. Except the Bubble Berry and I know that it's normal for them.

I was just getting pretty much convinced that it was a trait of the genetics like the Bubble Berry.

Damn now I'm gonna have to do some more research!

 

[SeaMaiden]

Hi, I am running some Royal Kush in 1 gal pots from clones.
I have them under a 400 wat for now while I get my other spot ready. They are three weeks out from transplanting from cloning tray. For the first few weeks they were trhinving, and now the new growth is curling down and becoming paler and paler yellow, and the stems are becoming more red. I was told to feed these ladies pretty heavily. I have been giving them 1 tbls of liquid karma per gallon, and pure blend pro 7.5 ml per gallon and some cal mag every other week. I burned them a tiny bit in the begining and then backed off, but I have been feeding them almost everytime.
Do yall think this is a deficiency? It looks like it, but I am kinda of lost. THe botanicare is pretty low percentages, co it could definitaly be.
ANY THOUGHTS?
THANKS
PEACE

Bolded up there could be part of or the source of your problem. LK is serious stuff and can cause lock-outs if overused, and in my world 1T/gal is seriously overusing it. More like 1tsp/gal, and NOT every watering.

Sometimes the reddened petioles can be an indicator of a phosphorous deficiency, toxicity or lock-out. This can be caused or exacerbated by overuse of products like... wait for it... wait for it...!

Liquid Karma.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hey VG, I haven't flowered a lot of Kush... I completely agree with you post and advice, especially with the yellowing leaves. But isn't the reddish/purplish stems and veins kinda typical in many Kush strains?

I know that I've got some Pre8 BK 20 days into flower now that is starting to show some reddening of the stems and veins, but none of the 6 or 7 other strains are showing any indications of deficiencies. Except the Bubble Berry and I know that it's normal for them.

I was just getting pretty much convinced that it was a trait of the genetics like the Bubble Berry.

Damn now I'm gonna have to do some more research!

hi stress test - if the veins/petioles are normally green and then turn red i think this is usually a sign of hunger - usually for P or K.
of course veins can naturally be red anyway, and may turn red naturally in late flower. i'll take a look at my bubba pics and see but i dont think it had red veins in mid flower.

VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

check out my pics of bubba here
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=222519
no red veins in mid flower - although the petioles are sort of red in a few of the older leaves.
the bubba can take a fair bit of food btw, its not very nute sensitive
VG

 

[Stress_test]

God I'm almost having a hard time now believing that I might be underfeeding the Kush.

I feed with every watering.

Nutrient/water schedule: By weight, as needed.
Nutrient recipe:
16 crushed Aspirin,
3/8 cup Brer Rabbit Molasses, (8Tbs)
8 tsp Jack's Classic All Purpose (20-20-20),
3 Tbls Epsom Salt,
8 Tbls Lilly Miller Vitamin B1 Plant Starter.
Mixed in 3 cups hot water (boiling hot) to dissolve solids.
Makes 1 quart concentrate. Stored in Refer.
Mixes 16 Gal. @ 1/4 cup per gallon.

Once flipped 12/12 for flower the JC's nute is changed to 2 Teaspoons Green Light, Super Bloom (12-55-6) per gallon (16 tsp).

I guess I will have to test 1 plant with a slightly stronger solution and see what happens. I'm just having a tough time with it cause I've used this recipe for years and usually see the very tips show hint of burn, so I know it pushing the upper limits for most plants.

 

[SeaMaiden]

<cough>drop the LK</cough>

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey stress test Seamaiden could well be right that it's a lockout causing the hunger rather than not enough nutes being fed.

 

[Stress_test]

Yeah I read that too. In my case at least: I'm sure it's not lock out cause the plants are completely healthy except for the discoloration of the stems and veins and in a room with many other plants of various strains, all looking beautiful; for just one strain to get lock out would be peculiar.

My plants are gorgeous, don't misunderstand me... And I will watch for signs of deficiencies as they progress. I was even thinking that the reddening may be telling me that they are on the verge of deficiency but not severe enough yet for other symptoms to show yet. As they get further into bloom, they will probably want more P and K...

 

[VerdantGreen]

.... I was even thinking that the reddening may be telling me that they are on the verge of deficiency but not severe enough yet for other symptoms to show yet. As they get further into bloom, they will probably want more P and K...

exactly - i see the veins going red as an early sign they are ready for food rather than deficient. i see it most when i do the first repot on rooted clones after they have been in fertless soil for a week or so.

VG