what would you do

[memphis man]

milwaukee i understand where your coming from and im sorry if i seemed like an ass in my previous post. i have done lots of research over the past few months and i just feel comfortable asking people who have been there and done that. for some of us these boards are our only chance to speak with other growers because we dont have hydro shops where we can run out and ask questions and bump into other growers that will share their first hand knowledge with us. and trust me i wouldnt just go out on a whim and buy whatever a stranger suggested without researching it a bit more. i feel by reaching out here and asking questions and seeing the responses by many that i would be better informed to make the right purchases that would eventually lead me to the goals i seek for myself

 

[Zen Master]

my advice? dont set the 4p goal.

grow a full 1000w (one of them, or two 600's) worth of some grade A herb, whether it be where you are now or in a new place.

then scale up.

its big enough to where it can recover costs, yet not so big it'll break you if you go through two cycles and get sub-par results.

the most valuable thing is gonna be the knowledge.

 

[memphis man]

its gonna be hard man...your budget is the biggest thing holding you back...6k is no where near enogh money to properly set up a house.

but if you were to throw the budget out of the window.......i would do 3-4 lights per bedroom. since you got to veg yourself you probably cannot afford to do big monster plants on the floor....so i recomend scrog style in the flood trays. you are already doing an illegal state so plant counts dont even matter for the most part.

prop i was hoping that i could setup two possibly three lights total for flowering and that would be it. the setup your mentioning would be what i would consider super large scale lol. dude only in my dreams would i try to go that big. i was hoping that i could veg and clone under maybe 1 400 and a t5 or two. i was planning on using the ac already in the house to cool the room as well as using air cooled hoods. in your opinion what do you think i could average flowering under 2000 watts? i am trying to keep this simple as possible. i dont mind hand watering which it is what i prefer as i like to inspect each of the ladies daily to check for any problems that might arise and handle them promptly.

 

[memphis man]

my advice? dont set the 4p goal.

grow a full 1000w (one of them, or two 600's) worth of some grade A herb, whether it be where you are now or in a new place.

then scale up.

its big enough to where it can recover costs, yet not so big it'll break you if you go through two cycles and get sub-par results.

the most valuable thing is gonna be the knowledge.

zen if i do everything correctly or at least semi good what do you think a resonable average on a 1000 watts would be?

 

[Zen Master]

zen if i do everything correctly or at least semi good what do you think a resonable average on a 1000 watts would be?

there are so many variables its nearly impossible to gauge.

if you're picking a mom from a seed you grew, are ya gonna bloom her out first along with the other females so you know exactly what you're working with? it could be a 14 week sativa or a supeerrrrr slow vegging indica, ya never really know... could be a great yielder or a terrible one.

If so you've gotta add 3+ months (more like 4) just to have a mom where you know what the end result is gonna be, and have enough cuts to not kill her when ya give the haircut.

if you were to have a 1000w with 4 well rooted good sized clones per sq ft (sea of green) so 64 clones in a 4x4' under one 1000w, and you're pulling 7g per plant now, I'd say its reasonable to expect somewhere in that realm. So that comes out to 1 lb.

however thats saying theres ZERO unforseen issues (other than the yield per plant)

if you get spidermites at week 5, kinda cant really spray because it'll ruin the herb, cant really just let em ride it out because then.. well... they'll probably be so far gone even you wouldn't want to keep it as personal much less recoup costs.

same goes for molds, over or under applying nutrients etc etc etc



so in a perfect world a newer grower rockin a 1000w for the first time that doesn't encounter ANY 'problems' can probably realistically get around a lb, perhaps more if its a higher yielding strain (but that door goes both ways, it could be less if its a loose/low yielding strain).

its NEVER a perfect world with growing, hence the cautionary tales from the members here.


my reasoning for not having a multi P goal is that when you scale up, the potential problems scale up. Eliminating mites from a closet ain't terribly difficult, from a 4kW room thats infested its leaps and bounds harder.

 

[memphis man]

thank you for keeping me grounded zen i am just super amped at the chance to be able to grow. i was hoping to start several moms and keep the best one around to clone from. i was planning on once finding the perfect girl to clone her and have three to 4 moms of the same cut to keep my clones running. this is how i did previously and seemed to work well for me. i was hoping to use 1 maybe 2 gallon grow bags and not neccesarilly go all out sog but maybe veg my plants up for a week or two then throw them into flower. if i kept with what i was thinking and used 1 or 2 gallon grow bags and ran a 1000 over a 4x4 tray how long do you think i would need to veg to achieve the same results as a 64 plant sog with say 16 plants? that way it wouldnt be that hard on my moms trying to produce 64 clones all at once?

 

[memphis man]

and also if i did do the veg time would it be smarter for me to use a smart pot instead of a grow bag to keep from getting root bound?

 

[Zen Master]

you wouldn't even need multiple moms of the same strain if you're gonna veg for 2 weeks.

yeah you can keep the plant count down and just veg longer, however thats time and electricity spent vegging instead of blooming, so that adds to costs/time off your bottom line, but could help because then you'd have 16 2 or 3 gallon pots and a lower # of plants to deal with, just bigger plants.

I used smartpots and plastic edged pots in a greenhouse one time. The hard pots seemed to mature a hair faster (<1 week difference). If you've already got em they work good, but in retrospect I coulda saved some $ and just used grow bags. I like the smart pots moreso for building a good mass of roots in a smaller pot, then transplant that to a 5 gallon or whatever size, then the quality ball of roots blows up, its not like all the roots went straight for the edges and down like with the plastic ones.


how long of a veg depends on the genetics. you want a full canopy that isn't overgrown, no larfy stringy stuff below that never sees direct light, that wont produce for shit.

it could be a couple weeks, maybe a month, shouldn't be more than that unless you are goin a lot lower on plant count and a lot bigger in size. I'd say 2 weeks minimum personally, just so its big enough to yield more, yet not shade and crowd the other plants around it too much.

 

[Useful Idiot]

Hey Memphis? Do you have seeds?? If so what are they? Indica,sativa, hybrid? I guess what I want to know is what are your purchase plans for strains. What strains will you be running?BTW Zen is giving out some very sound advice .I have some advice as well.

 

[memphis man]

Hey Memphis? Do you have seeds?? If so what are they? Indica,sativa, hybrid? I guess what I want to know is what are your purchase plans for strains. What strains will you be running?BTW Zen is giving out some very sound advice .I have some advice as well.

i am open to all suggestions. i am not planning on having to purchase any strains as i have a good friend out on the west coast who has been growing for 20 years plus and has some very nice genetics in seed form that he will gift me. he grows mostly indica dominant strains that finish around 8 weeks. i have sampled most of the strains he has and all i can say is this old dude has some killer stuff. if i can get my buds to turn out half as good as his i will have some awesome shit.

zen i dont mind vegging as i read everyones advice here i am leaning towards running two lights and setting up maybe dual 1000 watt perpetual grow so i could harvest monthly and not be pressed for good quality clones that have enough veg time to produce. i know i will have to get everything dialed in but in a perfect world i would like to have 16 plants per light that have somewhere between 3 weeks to a month veg time on them. i am thinking that with that amount of veg time i could possibly pull 1 per light? does that sound about right to you?

 

[Zen Master]

sounds good! just remember that it takes time to get everything perfect so keep at it cuz it looks like you've got a solid base to start with.

perpetual is great, way better on that scale to get a p or so a month than double that every other (at least in my opinion).

I've noticed as I'm going through some seeds I made that they have a TON of vigor compared to some of the cali genetics I've been playing with for a while. With one mom under some T5's or a lower watt HID you could easily supply two 1k's with 16 great cuts each cycle, hell you could and should take triple that amount and save only the 16 best and strongest ones, you'll even have time to veg those in the veg area before you need more cuts for the next round. Right now I use a 6 bulb T5 and it puts out great growth, perfect for clones.

with 16 per 1k thats only a zip a piece dry which is not hard at all with a 3wk-month veg, given the genetics and light are good enough of course. Make sure they have enough root room, I've shorted myself by using containers that I thought were big enough but... probably could have gone bigger and yielded more. With a quality media/nutrients and your TLC they should get there and hopefully more.

what kinda genetics ya gonna work with (if ya got the names that is)?

 

[Useful Idiot]

i am open to all suggestions. i am not planning on having to purchase any strains as i have a good friend out on the west coast who has been growing for 20 years plus and has some very nice genetics in seed form that he will gift me. he grows mostly indica dominant strains that finish around 8 weeks. i have sampled most of the strains he has and all i can say is this old dude has some killer stuff. if i can get my buds to turn out half as good as his i will have some awesome shit.

zen i dont mind vegging as i read everyones advice here i am leaning towards running two lights and setting up maybe dual 1000 watt perpetual grow so i could harvest monthly and not be pressed for good quality clones that have enough veg time to produce. i know i will have to get everything dialed in but in a perfect world i would like to have 16 plants per light that have somewhere between 3 weeks to a month veg time on them. i am thinking that with that amount of veg time i could possibly pull 1 per light? does that sound about right to you?

I thought you were gonna run Yumbolt.

 

[supermanlives]

plant shitloads seeds. flower em out early and use lower branches of females for clones.first run about 3 months then every 60 days or so.

 

[memphis man]

I thought you were gonna run Yumbolt.

lmao i didnt tell you that my old buddy on the west coasts name was yummybud did i? bahahahahahahaha


zen my buddy has some trainwreck crossed with purple kush that grows damn near solid purple buds with that distinct trainwreck smell they are awesome. he also has quite a few green crack crosses as well as gdp crosses that i really like. he has so many i forget what all he has but i will ask him later on tonight if i can get him on the phone and find out what all may be in the mix when i do kick it off.im sure when i tell him to send me some beans he will send me more than i could ever use. i talk to him for at least two hours everytime i get on the phone with him and his knowledge and love of the plant is just remarkable.

 

[memphis man]

plant shitloads seeds. flower em out early and use lower branches of females for clones.first run about 3 months then every 60 days or so.

wouldnt it take longer to reveg an already flowering plant vs just keepin a mom around to clone. also wouldnt this set me up for finding a male somewhere along the line that would fuck everything up?

 

[supermanlives]

if you grab clones early they only stall a bit. by the time the crop is ready to harvest you should be good to go. i was talking quickest harvest. if you wanna wait for em to sex then clone the females that works too but takes longer. i figured you would want a crop asap.

 

[memphis man]

ahh i see what you are saying now

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

i say set up the biggest room in the house, once you reap from that one, use that to set up the other rooms. let the loot work for you.

but whatever you do get a generator.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

it took me around 2-3 runs to finally dial in on 1lb per light...but than my last run with a new strain (cherry pie) i got a shit harvest only 10 oz per light.......there are too many variables. generally the biggest baddest yeilds i get are from SCROG and using larger plant counts of smaller plants......i got 1.5 that way, 28 1-2 footers in 1 gal pots.......i usually hit around 1.2 lbs per light using 9x 2-3 foot 5 gallon, 2 months veg'd plants with my SFV OG...

i know a guy who gets 1lb per 600 watt lamp but i cant hit that...most i got under 2 600s was like a P and a half...

i also know guys who have been growing upwards of 5 years, strrains like GDP, and they usually only get 1lb per light and they are happy with that...using 9-12 per tray of GDP and 16 per tray of OG to hit 1lb...than again these are commercial "gangster" growers who dont spend hours on ICmag doing research like i do..


use a strain like LVPK...do 12 under each light, im sure you will hit 1lb easy...

honestly for your first time, if you even hit 12 ounces, i would consider yourself lucky....1elbo and you're doing a damn good job for a 1st timer!

 

[supermanlives]

last run 11 plants a tray 3 trays per lite no less than 14 grams per . you do the math; 1200 watts. 28 quart sterilite clear tubs.