Holes in leaves... See pictures!

[greenops]

I got this Amnesia Lemon vegging for 17 days now.
Last night was the first time I notices a couple small holes on 2 leaves, of the 3rd node.
Today there are more holes on those leaves, and a small one on the 4th node.
I dont see any spots on them... so can spider mites be ruled out?

I inspected the leaves with my pocket scope and didnt find any insects.
The other ALs growing right next to it don't have any holes.

Anyone familiar with this?

 

[greenops]

i'm a little worried so allow me to bump...

 

[CannabisFox]

w of light?
you care that no water is on the leaves after watering?

 

[greenops]

250w.. distance 30 cm. yes no water on the leaves. I think its a fungus gnat i saw a dead one in a bowl of water

 

[jonnybgood29]

looks a little like tmv my friend! bad news but surviveable.

 

[Green lung]

Over watering

 

[CannabisFox]

sure over watering. but that doesnt explain the holes.. and doesnt tmv has way more obvious signs in common?

first you should stop overwatering... also care not to feed to much. if you have pests you will find some signs like webs or traces.

 

[jonnybgood29]

the reason i say tmv, look at the younger leaves, they do show the unique twisting andirregular shape consistant with tmv

 

[MacGyver420]

Over watering

+1 for over watering;

 

[jonnybgood29]

i agree on the overwatering as well, but overwatering doesnt produce holes, at least not that i know!

 

[Green lung]

i agree on the overwatering as well, but overwatering doesnt produce holes, at least not that i know!

I've seen some holes in some of my young plants like that pic, it never amounted to anything more though. It wasn't TMV though. But from the over appearance of the plant and medium besides the holes it sure does look overwatered.

Now those small holes may be a symptom of the overwatering but either way the holes really isn't the main problem thats just a small thing that doesn't affect the long run IME. The overall look of the plant is more concerning to me droopy, hump back leaves, stunted growth, wet medium, Which leads me to believe that it is overwatered.

 

[CannabisFox]

Excellent post !

 

[jonnybgood29]

your right green lung, got caught up in the specifics of the question, instead of the total picture.... think i was a newbie. the real problem that you should worry about is fixixng the overwatering issue, and see what happens after that.

 

[greenops]

I water every 4 - 5 days. Thats until the first 3-4 cm of the soil gets dry. And I water until theres about a half cup of water drains out of the bottom.

Should I wait longer until I give them water, or should I give less water when its time to water?

 

[stonedar]

sounds to me like you water just fine, but your plants do LOOK over watered. do they always droop or is that new?
I think something ate them, you got a cat?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I water every 4 - 5 days. Thats until the first 3-4 cm of the soil gets dry. And I water until theres about a half cup of water drains out of the bottom.

Should I wait longer until I give them water, or should I give less water when its time to water?

Most potted plants don't like wet feet. Rather than maintain a certain moisture content, it's better to saturate and allow to dry before watering again. It's easy to allow the plant to dry droop one time. Pick up the pot and feel the weight, it's very light at this point. It's time to saturate. Next water, saturate before dry droop occurs. Use the weight of the pot to gauge when to water. Once you know the interval, you don't have to pick up the pot as much. But water absorption varies at different rates throughout the cycle so keep an eye on em.

Once roots are more established, they can absorb water faster and you can narrow the interval a bit. The big thing is oxygen to the roots. Roots can't absorb oxygen as well in wet soil. This is where the drying period becomes important.

 

[greenops]

Its the first time i heard of TMV so I googled it... man this shit has me worried.
Check my new pictures and please tell me its not TMV!

 

[greenops]

Most potted plants don't like wet feet. Rather than maintain a certain moisture content, it's better to saturate and allow to dry before watering again. It's easy to allow the plant to dry droop one time. Pick up the pot and feel the weight, it's very light at this point. It's time to saturate. Next water, saturate before dry droop occurs. Use the weight of the pot to gauge when to water. Once you know the interval, you don't have to pick up the pot as much. But water absorption varies at different rates throughout the cycle so keep an eye on em.

Once roots are more established, they can absorb water faster and you can narrow the interval a bit. The big thing is oxygen to the roots. Roots can't absorb oxygen as well in wet soil. This is where the drying period becomes important.

Thanks for that info! I know in my last grow i waited til the plants drooped until i watered. In hindsight i was thinking this could have stressed em, so now I"m trying to water them before they droop. And this situation now happened just after the transplant. I thought it was necessary to give them a good water since there is new soil in it. But I know what you mean now... so thanks!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I don't think you have tmv. They're already looking more perky. If you want, wait until the medium is half dry and carefully slide the root ball out of pot. Check out the roots and see if you have any slime or rot. If so, watch that re watering interval.

I see a bit of N def at the bottom, this can happen with soaked soil. IMO, the alternating green/yellow higher up is an anomaly that will probably wane. Have you checked the runoff pH? You could have a little k def but it's hard to tell. Visual signs are at the new growth and this isn't typically where k def shows.

IMO, you'll be fine. If it gets worse then you might benefit from filling out the soil form in the infirmary. The more info, the better the diagnosis. Good luck.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Thanks for that info! I know in my last grow i waited til the plants drooped until i watered. In hindsight i was thinking this could have stressed em, so now I"m trying to water them before they droop. And this situation now happened just after the transplant. I thought it was necessary to give them a good water since there is new soil in it. But I know what you mean now... so thanks!

Sorry to harp on the water thing. It's often a tricky aspect for newer growers. Didn't realize you've already been there and done that. You're right to water before droop. In fact, I'm no judge of the sweet spot, just trying to keep in range.

Transplant watering is always tricky because some strains are more finicky with the larger volume of wet soil. Sometimes I'll transplant in moist medium rather than saturating afterward. Depending on the transplant size increase, I might allow smaller plants to acclimate for several days to a week in moist, new soil before saturating.