MrStonerMan
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On average lol. I'm just curious. I'm gonna run my light horizontal this time.. But I always stop by and check out the vertical threads from time to time. I'm thinking of giving it a try soon. I'm only running a 250 though
So what are all the seasoned vertical growers pulling off a 250 watter these days?
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Uhhh most of the peeps here are going vertical to maximize yields, their is one guy called uhhh let's see......250scrubber or hmmm he has a thread, I would check out any MICRO threads....I'm pumping 5 packs regularly so I'm not gunna be able to help you, hell I use a 250 watt bulb just to luminance my potting bench lol.
Good luck brother!
Edit:Found it ......check 250wscrogger thread
Good luck brother!
Edit:Found it ......check 250wscrogger thread
clown baby
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i play with vsog and a 250w hps a few years back. got like 5oz with 8 plants. and 2 were really weak genetics.
MrStonerMan
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Thanks bro! I'm gonna go check that out right now. Damn a 250 just to light up your bench? lol I'm small time over here haha.
5 ounces is not bad! I'm gonna keep looking around the forums. I have some legit genetics to work with but I have yet to give any a test run of my own
MrStonerMan
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Yeah lol. I was hoping I would find at least a couple small experienced growers on here
someone has to provide the micro-growers with bud when they run out... lol...
Hey Mr. Stoner. Hopefuly I can throw some advice your way. I used a 250 watt light for a while until just recently upgrading to a 400. My last 250 grow I ran vert type of scrog. It pulled a little less than I usualy get with a normal scrog, about 4.25 oz's. I do not blame vert, more genetics and a cramped growing space. Dont be intimidated by the big multi-light guys pulling #lbs. Small growers want to maximize their light just as much as big growers. If you have the means and desire thttps://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=28641&pictureid=642840 o go vert, than give it a shot. Im running a half pipe style scrog now, but still think about trying vert again. Whatever you decide good luck.
Heres a few pics of my vert 250 grow.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=28641&pictureid=642840
Take it easy bro.
Heres a few pics of my vert 250 grow.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=28641&pictureid=642840
Take it easy bro.
not being funny... but there's no reason you can't pull a 1/2 lb w/ a 250w lamp. , prolly more...
Nice pics wick420. You could easily double the height of that canopy, and push the plants back a little bit... Put the fan under the lamp and blow the heat up, instead of down onto the plants.
I've never grown with a 250w lamp, I went straight to a 400w... It was overkill for my skill level at the time. maybe you should PM 250wscrogger...
Nice pics wick420. You could easily double the height of that canopy, and push the plants back a little bit... Put the fan under the lamp and blow the heat up, instead of down onto the plants.
I've never grown with a 250w lamp, I went straight to a 400w... It was overkill for my skill level at the time. maybe you should PM 250wscrogger...
Montana
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no matter how you hang your light, it's all about plant #'s.......
you don't need to build a coliseum or stadium or even hang your light vert to get a good yield, vert growers THINK they are yielding more by hanging the lamp vert, but really, they are just utilizing space to fit more plants, the math is the same either way, you can yield 4 lbs from one 1000w with 100 plants, so goes to say you could do a pound with a 250 watter given you had 25 plants-ish.....so....whether you hang them from the ceiling, or cover the walls, or cram them onto the floor, increasing plant numbers is key.......look into tower growing, and cube growing to fit that many plants under that light......find a way to maximize plant #'s.....
you don't need to build a coliseum or stadium or even hang your light vert to get a good yield, vert growers THINK they are yielding more by hanging the lamp vert, but really, they are just utilizing space to fit more plants, the math is the same either way, you can yield 4 lbs from one 1000w with 100 plants, so goes to say you could do a pound with a 250 watter given you had 25 plants-ish.....so....whether you hang them from the ceiling, or cover the walls, or cram them onto the floor, increasing plant numbers is key.......look into tower growing, and cube growing to fit that many plants under that light......find a way to maximize plant #'s.....
MrStonerMan
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Haha! True Dat!
Thanks for the reply! That is very interesting to read.. I think I might run into similar results because I am not heavily experienced in vertical. Your grows look awesome though! If I get anywhere near your results I will be happyHey Mr. Stoner. Hopefuly I can throw some advice your way. I used a 250 watt light for a while until just recently upgrading to a 400. My last 250 grow I ran vert type of scrog. It pulled a little less than I usualy get with a normal scrog, about 4.25 oz's. I do not blame vert, more genetics and a cramped growing space. Dont be intimidated by the big multi-light guys pulling #lbs. Small growers want to maximize their light just as much as big growers. If you have the means and desire thttps://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=28641&pictureid=642840 o go vert, than give it a shot. Im running a half pipe style scrog now, but still think about trying vert again. Whatever you decide good luck.
Heres a few pics of my vert 250 grow.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=28641&pictureid=642840
Take it easy bro.
not being funny... but there's no reason you can't pull a 1/2 lb w/ a 250w lamp. , prolly more...
Nice pics wick420. You could easily double the height of that canopy, and push the plants back a little bit... Put the fan under the lamp and blow the heat up, instead of down onto the plants.
I've never grown with a 250w lamp, I went straight to a 400w... It was overkill for my skill level at the time. maybe you should PM 250wscrogger...
Bobblehead when you say a 1/2 P off a 250 are you referring to growing vertical or horizontal? That sounds orgasmic though haha. I was looking around for 250wScrogger threads but couldn't find much.
This is a great piece of information here thanks for sharing! I don't have a number of plants set in stone but I do know that my cab is only 2ftby2ft.. This is for hanging the light horizontally of course, I've thought about ways to hang it vertically in there but in a 2x2 space it doesn't seem worth it.. What do you think?
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horizontal wastes half the output of your lamp, so vertical, even in your 2'x2' cab, will increase your utilized lumens and thereby your yeild.
horizontal wastes half the output of your lamp, so vertical, even in your 2'x2' cab, will increase your utilized lumens and thereby your yeild.
Montana
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in such a small space, I don't think it's worth it, hanging your light vertically will just make it so all the light is on the walls of your cab.....
and with a 2 x 2 space that's just not enough room to fill the walls up with plants....yea i'm sure a few vert guys will argue with this..............I get it guys, you don't need to sell me on the method, I've tried it, among many other methods.......ya'll should do what I did, hang a bulb vertically, cram as many plants as you want around it in the design of your choice, note the yield with the strain and method of your choice, and then put the hoods back on, with the same plant numbers, and see what works better
..... IMO, horizontal is superior, you're not wasting light having it be in a hood, that light and heat is redirected and focused, hooded lights focus the intensity of the bulb and create a smaller area with more intense light as opposed to vert, with more light space available, but less intense light.........so.............with a more intensified light, it affects them more........tighter buds, more growth etc.......
wait for it.........
and with a 2 x 2 space that's just not enough room to fill the walls up with plants....yea i'm sure a few vert guys will argue with this..............I get it guys, you don't need to sell me on the method, I've tried it, among many other methods.......ya'll should do what I did, hang a bulb vertically, cram as many plants as you want around it in the design of your choice, note the yield with the strain and method of your choice, and then put the hoods back on, with the same plant numbers, and see what works better
..... IMO, horizontal is superior, you're not wasting light having it be in a hood, that light and heat is redirected and focused, hooded lights focus the intensity of the bulb and create a smaller area with more intense light as opposed to vert, with more light space available, but less intense light.........so.............with a more intensified light, it affects them more........tighter buds, more growth etc.......
wait for it.........
MrStonerMan
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Both options have their pros and cons. I think I agree with Montana given my certain situation and space. With a 2X2 space I don't think I can take full advantage of growing vertically in that space. I might give it a try though in the next run maybe. I just want to do some more research first
S
Scrappy-doo
I was pulling about 20 plus zips per harvest with my 600 watt vertical, and it wasn't even totally dialed in. Bare bulb. Scrog. Light mover. I think dialed in it would produce 25. Unfortunately I had to stop abruptly.
IMO 10 zips for a 250 watt should be very doable. The key is in the scrog, having a good distance to increase canopy diameter, and utilizing the space efficiently. People who have their canopy all close to the light are wasting the power and burning their leaves.
Also use coco rather than soil. Double the yields. Or go hydro and triple them.
Below the light where most people put a big fan, I usually just put a plant. Don't need one there with enough distance heat is not really an issue, especially with the mover, the light was not in one spot long enough to overheat the leaves.
The fan I put at the top above the light pulling air up rather than pushing it up from the bottom. I also had a large fan on the outside just pushing air throughout the room.
Worked great. When my situation improves that's exactly what I'll do again.
IMO 10 zips for a 250 watt should be very doable. The key is in the scrog, having a good distance to increase canopy diameter, and utilizing the space efficiently. People who have their canopy all close to the light are wasting the power and burning their leaves.
Also use coco rather than soil. Double the yields. Or go hydro and triple them.
Below the light where most people put a big fan, I usually just put a plant. Don't need one there with enough distance heat is not really an issue, especially with the mover, the light was not in one spot long enough to overheat the leaves.
The fan I put at the top above the light pulling air up rather than pushing it up from the bottom. I also had a large fan on the outside just pushing air throughout the room.
Worked great. When my situation improves that's exactly what I'll do again.
MrStonerMan
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Sounds like exactly what I'm looking for! I will eventually increase my space but as of right now I am using a small space. Any pictures of your vertical setup?
MrStonerMan
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How often does one have to water using coco?
S
Scrappy-doo
I had 2 setups one of them was utilizing a 4x4 tent, which I used a fan on the bottom for. Then I had a 5x5 space which I had the light mover and top fan setup with the plant on the bottom. Unfortunately I lost the bulk of my pictures when things came to an abrupt end. I may have a few pics left on my old computer though I'll see if I can dig something up.
Now my situation is very different I have a 4x2 horizontal scrog with a Badboy T-5 in coco. First run with it. I still plan on getting at the very least 1GPW. Scrog is where it's at if you don't use it you really should. My yields exploded once I started.
What size is your space? With the vert setup you could prob do the 250 in a 3x3 space comfortably. If you have a cooltube you might be able to get away with a 2x2 but IMO that's pushing it. Still better than horizontal though. Any vert scrog is gonna give you great yields. If not possible def do a horizontal scrog.
Hand watering in coco is really easy. In veg once the plant has rooted to the container size (much smaller than soil) I give a beercup of premixed solution once every 2 or 3 days. Once they are well into flowering you feed once a day. I use drip trays at that point also and water till they fill up about an inch and then let the plants bottom feed. When there's no more juice in the tray I know it needs another drink.
Now my situation is very different I have a 4x2 horizontal scrog with a Badboy T-5 in coco. First run with it. I still plan on getting at the very least 1GPW. Scrog is where it's at if you don't use it you really should. My yields exploded once I started.
What size is your space? With the vert setup you could prob do the 250 in a 3x3 space comfortably. If you have a cooltube you might be able to get away with a 2x2 but IMO that's pushing it. Still better than horizontal though. Any vert scrog is gonna give you great yields. If not possible def do a horizontal scrog.
Hand watering in coco is really easy. In veg once the plant has rooted to the container size (much smaller than soil) I give a beercup of premixed solution once every 2 or 3 days. Once they are well into flowering you feed once a day. I use drip trays at that point also and water till they fill up about an inch and then let the plants bottom feed. When there's no more juice in the tray I know it needs another drink.
