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Cannabis Coffee Shops: Should America Adopt Dutch Marijuana Regulations?

DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
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First Posted: 9/21/11 05:42 PM ET Updated: 9/21/11 05:42 PM ET

SAN FRANCISCO -- Should Americans be able to buy marijuana in coffee shops?
A new study by U.C. Berkeley Law and Policy Professor Robert MacCoun explores whether the United States would benefit from regulating cannabis like the Dutch. MacCoun examined the effects of the drug on Dutch society over the course of more than 30 years and discovered that America might have a lot to learn from what he dubs "quasi-legalization."
In the Netherlands, proprietors of such coffee shops sell marijuana in limited quantities to adults over the age of 18. They don't offer alcohol or tobacco products on the premises, and advertising is strictly prohibited. While cannabis use remains technically illegal under Dutch law, the law also states that officials cannot take action against those who sell or use marijuana in designated coffee shops.

"It's essentially legalization, but it's slightly ambiguous," MacCoun told The Huffington Post.

He explained that despite the ubiquity of the coffee shop model, Dutch authorities have still managed to remain successful in enforcing against high-level trafficking, which keeps pot prices relatively high. "In a full legalization model, the price would drop substantially," MacCoun said, "and you'd see bigger increases in use."

On the other hand, MacCoun's findings suggest that "quasi-legalization" doesn't yield increases in pot smoking. "While use went up, it didn't go up very much," MacCoun said of Dutch marijuana habits since the country introduced the coffee shop system in the 1970s.

"And problematic use is quite modest by European standards."

Instead, MacCoun found that Dutch marijuana users were actually less likely to try harder drugs than their pot smoking counterparts in neighboring countries. He attributes that revelation to the fact that the coffee shop system breaks up the "gateway effect." In other words, by separating the cannabis market from the markets for more dangerous substances, marijuana smokers will be less likely to be tempted to try, say, cocaine sold by the same drug dealer.

"For me, that was the most tantalizing result," he said. "The Dutch have actually come up with a way to regulate cannabis use while minimizing its harms."

MacCoun posited that the United States would indeed benefit from a similar system, but noted that marijuana's federal classification as an illegal drug would pose challenges. He also warned that America's free speech protections would make curtailing advertisements impossible. "I don't think we could directly adopt a Dutch policy overnight," he said. "But there would be criminal justice savings and tourist revenue...we'd have a less intrusive system without seeing much increase in problems."

Ironically, just as MacCoun was putting the finishing touches on his findings, the Dutch government called its coffee shop system into question, introducing a measure that would prohibit marijuana sales to tourists. MacCoun warned such legislation would have a grave impact. "It would drive a lot of shops out of business," MacCoun said. "It would certainly shrink, if not eliminate, the system."

Meanwhile, MacCoun suggested that as the Netherlands becomes less tolerant of cannabis, the United States might be moving in the opposite direction -- at least in states where medical marijuana is legal. "In some communities, the medical marijuana model is similar to the Dutch model," MacCoun said, citing cities like Venice Beach, Calif., and the popularity of collectives like the Bay Area's Oaksterdam. "Most medical marijuana dispensaries are more like coffee shops than opium dens. It's not a sordid scene."

But what about full legalization?

"It's risky," MacCoun said. "It would set in motion a series of commercial forces that would increase promotion and dramatically decrease price. From a public health standpoint, I'm very skeptical of just handing things over to the market."

MacCoun said he believes the United States would ultimately benefit most from a model that would relax marijuana laws without big price drops. "Marijuana prohibition is expensive, intrusive and ineffective," he said. "I lean toward policies that emphasize harm reduction. We should reduce the harm of both drug use and drug policies."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/20/cannabis-coffee-shops-america-dutch_n_972557.html
 

THC123

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"The Dutch have actually come up with a way to regulate cannabis use while minimizing its harms."

well if you guys get shops i hope it is better regulated than in NL


The dutch shops can sell but they canot buy their product
They magically have to make it appear out of thin air.

There is no quality check and often i have had moldy or mite infested buds
 

DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
Veteran
Good to know.

Over here we've got a free market that sorts out things like mold and critters. Those things won't happen after we deregulate.
 
Should Americans be able to buy marijuana in coffee shops

everybody in the world should be able to buy cannabis in coffee shops
 
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h^2 O

as long as pharmaceutical and textile companies have lobbyists in Washington wining and dining our politicians into continuing this war against cannabis there will be no coffeeshops. These ancient pieces of dust and shit would rather cut off their own genitals then let a naturally-occuring weed take a chunk out of their profits.
 

Warped1

I'm a victim of fast women and slow horses
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I suppose coffeeshops could get busted just as easily as a dispensary once allowed..and it wouldn't surprise me
 

festivus

STAY TOASTY MY FRIENDS!
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On the face this seems like a good idea. But we all know what happens when the govnt. gets involved... I think we need to be careful what we ask for.

In the future, we may look back fondly on the black market years before the government had regulatory control over how do we our thing.

Great read DB!
 

trichrider

Kiss My Ring
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"Instead, MacCoun found that Dutch marijuana users were actually less likely to try harder drugs than their pot smoking counterparts in neighboring countries. He attributes that revelation to the fact that the coffee shop system breaks up the "gateway effect." In other words, by separating the cannabis market from the markets for more dangerous substances, marijuana smokers will be less likely to be tempted to try, say, cocaine sold by the same drug dealer."

this paragraph is stunningly succinct in simplicity. got to appreciate that. marijuana is NOT a gateway to harder drugs.

good post up Disco
 
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Guest 88950

lesser of 2 evils

lesser of 2 evils

On the face this seems like a good idea. But we all know what happens when the govnt. gets involved... I think we need to be careful what we ask for.

In the future, we may look back fondly on the black market years before the government had regulatory control over how do we our thing.

Great read DB!


the govt is already involved........arresting those b/c of cannabis.

id rather they change their involvment to regulation / control / taxation and end arresting those b/c of cannabis.

which evil do you choose?
 
If we do go with the coffeeshop model we should do it in a way than makes more sense than all the grey areas in Dutch law. Realistic supply must be addressed, ie the production/supply can't be illegal and yet legal to consume in coffeeshops.
 
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greenmatter

good idea that will never be accepted here ...... too bad lots of folks put there fingers in their ears and chant la la la when just the idea of solving a problem is proposed. i am sure if they keep ignoring weed it will go away ..... progress right?
 
God damn do I wish we had coffee shops. What an addition that would be to the areas surrounding downtown that are being renovated... we already have biergartens celebrating our city's German heritage that are beautiful places to drink fantastic brews. Now we need coffeeshops with say, a wiedgarten. :joint:
 

MIway

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goodman was an advocate of doing this in vegas... take the old fremont area & revive it into a 'little amsterdam' where tourists could come to enjoy & partake in food, drink, gaming... and the weed cafe's. this came up with the big collapse... we really did have more than 1 in 5 people unemployed at a time... and more vacant houses than strippers... a first since they started keeping stripper stats in the 80's... ;-)

so, if a mob-boss lawyer turned popular politician can't get it done in sin city... during times of despair... where in america could this happen?
 

resinryder

Rubbing my glands together
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Everyone should be able to grow what they want for their own use. Take the money angle out of it.
 

funkervogt

donut engineer
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The problem with the US is that it's largely non-pedestrian. That is, most folks drive to their destination. In LA I frequented a hash bar (name hazely forgotten). People would get absolutely wasted at this place and then drive home, often times after taking a "toke for the road". Maybe it's just me, but I feel it impaires my driving, and actually stopped visiting that bar because of this.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have a place to socialize and smoke, just saying it's difficult and sometimes impossible to hoof it back after a session in this country.
 

Warped1

I'm a victim of fast women and slow horses
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The problem with the US is that it's largely non-pedestrian. That is, most folks drive to their destination. In LA I frequented a hash bar (name hazely forgotten). People would get absolutely wasted at this place and then drive home, often times after taking a "toke for the road". Maybe it's just me, but I feel it impaires my driving, and actually stopped visiting that bar because of this.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have a place to socialize and smoke, just saying it's difficult and sometimes impossible to hoof it back after a session in this country.
And yet folks drive home drunk every day.
 
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In~Plain~Site

The problem with the US is that it's largely non-pedestrian. That is, most folks drive to their destination. In LA I frequented a hash bar (name hazely forgotten). People would get absolutely wasted at this place and then drive home, often times after taking a "toke for the road". Maybe it's just me, but I feel it impaires my driving, and actually stopped visiting that bar because of this.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have a place to socialize and smoke, just saying it's difficult and sometimes impossible to hoof it back after a session in this country.

That's an entirely different cottage industry here in the States...

Lazy police work
 

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