Has anybody tried to boil keif in a plastic bag placed in boiling water?

[guest8905]

I have heard that if you have a lot of hash, keif or bubble, and you want to press it, a great way is to put the hash inside a boil-safe bag and boil it and then press it, as the temperature of boiling water is far less than combustion or vaporization of thc.

just a thought,

thanks

also its funny someone asked this today in doobies thread as well

 

[Manstien]

Me.



Yeah - I'm wondering too any who has done this how it went?

Peace

 

[PorkSword]

my brother in law attempts this all the time, he is on a perfect keif cake mission. most of the time it just forms a crumbly patty that doesnt hold shape well for long. sometimes it forms a rock hard chunk which is ideal to me, but it rarely happens. the perfect patty usually involves some BHO mixed in as a binder.
mmmm stony shit for sure.


Im sure he would be grateful for any tips as well as sharing his experience.

 

[juicepuddle]

imo that would just burn out terps am I wrong? Why do you need to press it..?

The terps have a MUCH lower boiling temp then the THC

 

[stillsmokin843]

or you can try this

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=222184

 

[juicepuddle]

People just press it to make it more easy to manage or what? SOMEONE HELP ME LOL, I always wondered wtf with pressing super juicy nice trichs.

 

[GanjaPharma]

its for the decarb,
i make a packet out of turkey bag plastic. size of a domino (thats what i use to make the packet). put my super duper dry bubble in there (2 weeks min) pack it a bit with a chopstick , then tape it shut.
then i put it in a small vacuum sealer pouch, seal it up and toss it in boiling water. rolling boil for half an hour, take it out and roll it a bit to mix all that molten hash. then another 10 minutes in the water, and into the freezer for an hour or more. when its done the blonde bubblehash has turned almost black, is much softer and more stable, tastes mellower and burns smoothly. and i can eat a little bit straight off the bar without heating.

 

[juicepuddle]

Ah I see, the melting process can make taking a hit much much longer, also the decarb incase you might want to use as edible.

 

[Papulz]

adding a little heat makes pressing or homogenizing chunks of resin easier.. especially if your blending varieties, working quantity, or the concentrate hasn't been cured to gooey perfection yet.

example - yesterday i combined 4-5 varieties of granular bubble, a mix of some dry sift... and about 20 % oil. accomplished the patty by mild heating a mason jar submerged in hot water filled with the raw mix til the concentrates become pliable.

took the now warm lump (picture a handful of moist soil) and worked it on top of a heated surface inside a folded sheet of parchment paper< anti stick agent> and a rolling pin (hot water filled mason jar)

the pressing process is nothing more than rolling the piece thin, then folding back upon itself and repeating until you reach the desired consistency.

this process of pressing the lump takes the granules and combines them into a singular smooth piece if worked properly.

Juice - pressing the resin changes the high mildly.. changes the taste, changes the burning characteristics due to surface area and density..

also pressing accommodates storage and transport needs.

 

[juicepuddle]

I guess pressing is less my fear then heating, but I deffinatley see what your saying papulz, that blend of hashes and dry sieve sound nice. Im sure it affects the high, considering some terpes imo affect the way THC hits you, so if your heating out alot of terps, yes the high would technically be lessened.

Thanks for the help guys! +rep

 

[huligun]

I just watched someone do that tonight for the first time. He boiled water in the microwave and made this powder into a chunk. It worked pretty good.

 

[QTS]

Most of them have already been stated, but these are the reasons that I've always heard why it's good to press hashish:

1. Storage: It's much easier to transport and dispense a solid compared to a powder. It also takes up considerably less space. Smugglers appreciate this fact, though for people making their own dry-sift or bubble, this is most likely not an issue.

2. Decarb: Pressing breaks open the trich heads and exposes all the cannabinoids to the environment. Any THC-A will start to break down.

3. Shelf Life: IMO this is the most important reason to press hash if you don't plan on consuming it all quickly after production. Any cannabinoids exposed to open air and light degrade into lesser favorable substances. A waxy barrier is created when hash is pressed that keeps the elements away from the cannabinoids inside the chunk. The surface will oxidize, but the treasures contained within can stay good for years. I'm actually smoking some 5 year old (almost) full melt Afgoo bubble tonight, taste is amazing and the stone exquisite and psychedelic

I usually start pressing my bubble by hand (inside an oven roasing bag) and then go from there into my small or large mold, depending on how much I'm working with. The molds get placed inside a 1 ton arbor press and I throw my weight on it, all manual labor for me. Take the chunk out, fold it, press, repeat, until I've reached the best and densest possible press I can get on it. Here's a few pics of a recently worked piece.

 

[juicepuddle]

Nice post QTS, I must be confusing decarb with something else? I was under the impression it was preheating THC so that when ingested it would become active.

That hash looks LOVELY! Like some amber fudge Seriously looks so good I want to eat it

 

[QTS]

Nice post QTS, I must be confusing decarb with something else? I was under the impression it was preheating THC so that when ingested it would become active.

That hash looks LOVELY! Like some amber fudge Seriously looks so good I want to eat it

Thanks juicepuddle

Nope you got it right. When you decarboxylate a cannabis product, you're forcing any THC-Acid in the material, a non-active substance, to become THC, an active one.

Both heating and pressing will facilitate decarboxilation.

 

[juicepuddle]

Ah I see, I thought it required both, to an extent, however now it makes sense that people have hardcore presses XD

 

[jump117]

2. Decarb: Pressing breaks open the trich heads and exposes all the cannabinoids to the environment. Any THC-A will start to break down.

3. Shelf Life: IMO this is the most important reason to press hash if you don't plan on consuming it all quickly after production. Any cannabinoids exposed to open air and light degrade into lesser favorable substances. A waxy barrier is created when hash is pressed that keeps the elements away from the cannabinoids inside the chunk. The surface will oxidize, but the treasures contained within can stay good for years.

Hey OTS, nice pictures!

Paragraphs 2 and 3 seem to contradict.

I agree with 3, which states that the resin is better preserved when the surface of its contact with air is minimized.

But I can not see any connection between the destruction of the cuticles of trichomes and decarboxylation of resin.

 

[QTS]

Hey OTS, nice pictures!

Paragraphs 2 and 3 seem to contradict.

I agree with 3, which states that the resin is better preserved when the surface of its contact with air is minimized.

But I can not see any connection between the destruction of the cuticles of trichomes and decarboxylation of resin.

From my understanding, when you crush open the heads and expose the essential oils, this is when oxygen and light can start to work their powers on the cannabinoids, starting the decarb process. Anything exposed to the air during the process has a chance to start breaking down. When complete, whatever bits that remain on the outside can still decay, where-as what is contained within is preserved by the waxy shell of the exterior.

 

[jump117]

Decarboxylation is the separation of the carboxyl group -COOH of the molecule THCA,

stimulated by the temperature and occurs regardless of the presence of oxygen.

Resin contact with oxygen does not lead to decarboxylation and lead to degradation of THC to CBN.

 

[guest8905]

cool thanks qts

yeah ive also heard a way to do a press is to boil the hash, then place the warm hash inside a cellophane lined press (i.e. jack press, which you can also pre heat in the oven), supposed to make a real nice press and seal on the keif or bubble

 

[QTS]

Decarboxylation is the separation of the carboxyl group -COOH of the molecule THCA,

stimulated by the temperature and occurs regardless of the presence of oxygen.

Resin contact with oxygen does not lead to decarboxylation and lead to degradation of THC to CBN.

Good information. I had always thought that decarboxylation was just one step on the way of the breakdown due to oxygenation, but your information has spurned me to do a little investigation, and it does indeed to be as you say.