GHS - Hawaiian Snow Feminized
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primobud: I'm planning on running a full crop of the keeper clones next crop, so I'll need at least 6 for the run and a few extra in case of clone failure/runtyness/christmas gifts, you get the picture. As for how big, I don't know. I've done everything I can to accomodate the stretch so I'm just weaving and tying until the stretch slows. I think I read somewhere that they stretch for 5 weeks, but until things slow down, I'm just along for the ride.
SOTF420: When you tend the plants everyday, a person doesn't notice how fast they're growing. But go away for a few days and the vigor really becomes evident. The branches seem to be growing about an inch a day.
SOTF420: When you tend the plants everyday, a person doesn't notice how fast they're growing. But go away for a few days and the vigor really becomes evident. The branches seem to be growing about an inch a day.
Hi primobud, 2 of the present clones are going to be gifted to a very good friend (lucky guy). He's going to run each under a 400hps with 3ft x 3ft scrog above each plant. The other 2 are just going to veg along and probably be recloned for the final crop in about 20 weeks or so. I just wanted to keep the genetics on hand.
Quick question, using a mostly all organic nutrient now compared to the other 3 part hydro nutes before can you tell a difference in the health & vigor of your plants?
Do you feel that they are growing at an optimal rate with the current nutrient regimen?
I'm a huge fan of PBP myself and can't say enough good things about it just wondering what your experience has been with it so far and if you have had to supplement anything to counter any issues, also what strength are you using and so on please if you don't mind thanks!
I don't run many pure Sativa's myself but in the near future I plan to run several of these plants from 2 regular sex 10 ct seed packs I still have that are over 7 yrs old now and do a big open pollination with the best plants to preserve the genetics for future usage since I'm very lucky to have the males of this strain. Your plants look healthy and happy so I will probably mirror some of your methods here with them as I am sure I'll get some larger more stretchy phenos when I run them all and I am liking these trellises you have going it does seem you have a good handle on them so far
Do you feel that they are growing at an optimal rate with the current nutrient regimen?
I'm a huge fan of PBP myself and can't say enough good things about it just wondering what your experience has been with it so far and if you have had to supplement anything to counter any issues, also what strength are you using and so on please if you don't mind thanks!
I don't run many pure Sativa's myself but in the near future I plan to run several of these plants from 2 regular sex 10 ct seed packs I still have that are over 7 yrs old now and do a big open pollination with the best plants to preserve the genetics for future usage since I'm very lucky to have the males of this strain. Your plants look healthy and happy so I will probably mirror some of your methods here with them as I am sure I'll get some larger more stretchy phenos when I run them all and I am liking these trellises you have going it does seem you have a good handle on them so far
Hello SOTF420. To date I'm loving the PBP. It's very gentle and easy to use. With the hydro ferts I was always over fertilizing and the regime was one batch of ferts and then two waterings with ph balanced water. If I was using the hydro ferts now with these girls we'd probably be seeing 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch tip burn on the fan leafs.
I especially like the Liquid Karma. I don't know what's in it, but whatever it is the plants really respond well to it especially for cloning.
Ok, here's what I've been doing. For veg, 15ml/gal PBP Grow, 5ml/gal Liquid Karma, 5ml/gal CalMag supplement. I started to get a bit of tip burn (less than 1/8 inch so I skipped one fertilizing cycle and instead fed 5ml/gal Liquid Karma only. Keep in mind I always ph to 6.3 so there's a little ph down involved at times. Anyway, the new growth had no tip burn after that and by then it was time to transition the plant for flowering. I'm still dialing in the regimen and with the new clones I'm going to try 10ml/gal PBP Grow, 5ml/gal Liquid Karmal and 5ml/gal CalMag suppliment and see how that goes. I'll keep you advised.
For transitioning I've been using the same system except 7.5ml/gal Grow and 7.5ml/gal Bloom with Liquid Karma and CalMag in the usual proportions. I'll probably cut that back to 5 and 5 next time.
In flower, I started at 15ml/gal Bloom plus LK and CM for the first watering and then a dose of 20ml/gal for the next watering. I had no tip burn going on then, but the last watering I fed them the transitioning formula (because I'm a bit lazy and didn't want to mix up seperate batches for the keeper and the trellised plants) and now I've got about 1/8 inch tip burn going on. It may have been the 20ml/gal feeding that caused the tip burn and the reaction just took some time to develop, I don't know. I'm guessing that 15ml/gal is probably the max for the Bloom, but I'll dial it in and keep you informed. In the meantime, I'm going to feed the trellised ones just the LK for one watering and then go back to 15ml/gal Bloom plus the LK and CM. We'll see how they respond.
I'm probably going to add a bloom booster later in flower, got any suggestions? Oh, I almost forgot, I used the potassium silicate as a ph booster as we discussed earlier and it seems to be working ok. Later in flower I may switch back to ph up (potassium hydroxide), I don't know for sure but the amounts are so small I don't think it'll make much difference.
Keep in mind, the tip burn is very insignificant at this point and I'm wondering if the plants might like a little lower ph, I don't know. Everything is growing very nicely right now, and I'll probably just reduce the feeding to hopefully eliminate the little bit of tip burn and keep the ph at 6.3. As you stated earlier in the thread, HS is a light feeder.
I'll address the rest of your post later, mrs smilley wants to smoke a gagger.
I especially like the Liquid Karma. I don't know what's in it, but whatever it is the plants really respond well to it especially for cloning.
Ok, here's what I've been doing. For veg, 15ml/gal PBP Grow, 5ml/gal Liquid Karma, 5ml/gal CalMag supplement. I started to get a bit of tip burn (less than 1/8 inch so I skipped one fertilizing cycle and instead fed 5ml/gal Liquid Karma only. Keep in mind I always ph to 6.3 so there's a little ph down involved at times. Anyway, the new growth had no tip burn after that and by then it was time to transition the plant for flowering. I'm still dialing in the regimen and with the new clones I'm going to try 10ml/gal PBP Grow, 5ml/gal Liquid Karmal and 5ml/gal CalMag suppliment and see how that goes. I'll keep you advised.
For transitioning I've been using the same system except 7.5ml/gal Grow and 7.5ml/gal Bloom with Liquid Karma and CalMag in the usual proportions. I'll probably cut that back to 5 and 5 next time.
In flower, I started at 15ml/gal Bloom plus LK and CM for the first watering and then a dose of 20ml/gal for the next watering. I had no tip burn going on then, but the last watering I fed them the transitioning formula (because I'm a bit lazy and didn't want to mix up seperate batches for the keeper and the trellised plants) and now I've got about 1/8 inch tip burn going on. It may have been the 20ml/gal feeding that caused the tip burn and the reaction just took some time to develop, I don't know. I'm guessing that 15ml/gal is probably the max for the Bloom, but I'll dial it in and keep you informed. In the meantime, I'm going to feed the trellised ones just the LK for one watering and then go back to 15ml/gal Bloom plus the LK and CM. We'll see how they respond.
I'm probably going to add a bloom booster later in flower, got any suggestions? Oh, I almost forgot, I used the potassium silicate as a ph booster as we discussed earlier and it seems to be working ok. Later in flower I may switch back to ph up (potassium hydroxide), I don't know for sure but the amounts are so small I don't think it'll make much difference.
Keep in mind, the tip burn is very insignificant at this point and I'm wondering if the plants might like a little lower ph, I don't know. Everything is growing very nicely right now, and I'll probably just reduce the feeding to hopefully eliminate the little bit of tip burn and keep the ph at 6.3. As you stated earlier in the thread, HS is a light feeder.
I'll address the rest of your post later, mrs smilley wants to smoke a gagger.
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primobud: 
haha, you're right, I'm more than a bit lazy. But you know the old saying "Hard work pays off in the long run but laziness pays off immediately".
SOTF420: I hope those 7 year old seeds grow for you. I've noticed that the viability of my seeds seems to drop off with age. Making more seeds to preserve the genetics is a noble cause. For me, this was my first time with feminized seeds and I sure like knowing the sex in advance especially with these long flowering sativas. I've grown a few crops of other strains and only gotten 2 females out of 10 seeds. Good luck on the breeding project, I'm sure lots of people would be interested in the non-feminzed salad toppers.
haha, you're right, I'm more than a bit lazy. But you know the old saying "Hard work pays off in the long run but laziness pays off immediately".SOTF420: I hope those 7 year old seeds grow for you. I've noticed that the viability of my seeds seems to drop off with age. Making more seeds to preserve the genetics is a noble cause. For me, this was my first time with feminized seeds and I sure like knowing the sex in advance especially with these long flowering sativas. I've grown a few crops of other strains and only gotten 2 females out of 10 seeds. Good luck on the breeding project, I'm sure lots of people would be interested in the non-feminzed salad toppers.
Last night I took 10 clones off the keeper. I also removed the last of the main fan leafs. She's looking a little naked after her haircut but I think she'll bounce back in a hurry.
I also took the time to repot the clones from the trellised plants. They had a nice root system for 17 days from cutting. Sorry no pics of the clones.
I also took the time to repot the clones from the trellised plants. They had a nice root system for 17 days from cutting. Sorry no pics of the clones.
Hi primobud. The clones are looking great. Probably be 10/10 survival rate. With the ambient temps moderating, the soil temp is maintaining a tight 79.5 -80.5 F range. I keep my cloning gel in the fridge now and I think that keeps it more viable. Now I'll just gradually increase the chamber venting time by 5 minutes a day for the first week and then slowly ween them off the dome by day 10. Cloning has always been a challenge for me and as you know, a cloning failure can wreak havoc with the grow plan/schedule. It looks like they're gonna get about an 8 week veg period prior to flower so they'll be quite large by then.
I managed to leave at least 2 internodes on each of the branches I cloned from the mom so I expect her to be as bushy or bushier than befor in a week or so.
I managed to leave at least 2 internodes on each of the branches I cloned from the mom so I expect her to be as bushy or bushier than befor in a week or so.
Alright! It's day F22 for the following 3 plants. The first is the "runt". I don't know whats going on with this plant but it's only branching well on one side. It's healthy but much different than the rest. It's obviously not going to yield anything like the rest.
The next two are the trellised plants. The screen sits 14 inches away from the bulb. Ideally, the secondary branches will grow toward the bulb to a distance of 6 -8 inches. The lower secondary branches are there but the upper secondary branches seem to be slowing down a little. I fed the girls today and felt that the tip burn was minimal enough that I gave them 15ml/gal of the bloom formula.
The next two are the trellised plants. The screen sits 14 inches away from the bulb. Ideally, the secondary branches will grow toward the bulb to a distance of 6 -8 inches. The lower secondary branches are there but the upper secondary branches seem to be slowing down a little. I fed the girls today and felt that the tip burn was minimal enough that I gave them 15ml/gal of the bloom formula.
Screen Weaving
Screen Weaving
This is what I'm doing to each of the primary branches. The problem is that some of the secondary branches end up behind the screen or mashed against the screen. Once I have each primary branch woven once (for strength) I'll probably go back to twist-ties and keep the primary branches in front of the screen. Notice that this primary terminal bud is starting to exhibit a more mature appearance.
Screen Weaving
This is what I'm doing to each of the primary branches. The problem is that some of the secondary branches end up behind the screen or mashed against the screen. Once I have each primary branch woven once (for strength) I'll probably go back to twist-ties and keep the primary branches in front of the screen. Notice that this primary terminal bud is starting to exhibit a more mature appearance.
