16 days from seed and looking no bueno

[budman678]

I popped this seed in Happy Frog soil. Fed them un-ph'd water for the first two weeks. I left this weekend and wasnt able to mess with it. It was under a 250watt cfl in a beer cup. It was really thirsty when i got back. I transplanted to a 2gal pot and with one tsp/gal of b-1 thrive. it hasnt bounced back like i would hope.

i havent fed any nutes thus far and just started phing the water on sunday. this is the farthest along of all my seedlingd but this one is not looking good.

 

[Canniwhatsis]

The damaged leaves wont recover, ignore them and watch the new growth.

I'm sure your aware, but even seedlings need the correct PH of water, hope that helps some.

 

[budman678]

i am aware now. i truthfully didnt think it would matter too much with small seedlings. now i know to use ph'd water for everything from now on. thanks guys!

should i cut the damaged fan leaves? what does that look like to you? cal/mag? ph problems? some sort of necrosis

 

[stihgnobevoli]

doesn't matter that much, what you are seeing looks like heat damage, just how close is this bulb to the plant?

unles your pH was really high or really low i wouldn't bother pHing. or unless you're in hydro. the water from your sink should be fine enough for any plant, if its good enough for you to drink it is more than good enough for your plants.

 

[budman678]

the cfls WERE within a couple inches from the top...i put in a the 400mh last night and it is 24inches from top...

 

[FreezerBoy]

That looks like spill damage. Water on the leaves can act like a magnifying glass, frying the leaf matter underneath.

 

[RetroGrow]

I think Happy Frog may be a bit hot for seedlings.
Light Warrior or Miracle Grow Seed Starter mix would be preferable, IMO.
CFLs weren't too hot, they are cool.
You definitely need to get PH straightened out.
I would flush with RO water and wait. They will recover.

 

[RetroGrow]

the water from your sink should be fine enough for any plant, if its good enough for you to drink it is more than good enough for your plants.

ummmm....not true. Water must have proper PH for cannabis, regardless of medium. Water from sink can be very alkaline, as mine is. PH must be adjusted before any diagnosis can be made.

 

[budman678]

i am thinking it was spill damage as well, because when i left i had to water and she overcrowded the beer cup. i def had to just kinda pour on top of the whole plant. then she sat under a hot cfl (yes they are hot within a couple inches). i am hoping it isnt that big of a deal. most of the other growth look pretty good. waiting for pot to dry up before i had them with some buddha grow from roots organic

 

[Canniwhatsis]

I've never noticed any problems with starting seedlings or clones directly in Ocean Forest, so I doubt HF is too hot. But hell I've only been doing it for a year and a half now, so i've still got a lot to learn.

Budman, your new growth looks good. Pay attention to that for signs of any new issues popping up.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

ummmm....not true. Water must have proper PH for cannabis, regardless of medium. Water from sink can be very alkaline, as mine is. PH must be adjusted before any diagnosis can be made.

i suggest you contact your local water people unless you live in the country and are drawing from a well. just about all treated water in every city in america should be right around 7.

but yeah what i said or what freezerboy said, i was leaning towards what he said, but you say your cfl is 250 watts so i assume it was that over the other thing. i only ever get that with water on leaves and hps. when its humid all the leaves that were against a wall look just like yours, something about the moisture on the leaves. i dunno if its specifically a magnifying glass effect, i see it on leaves that the damage appears when the wet side was against the wall.

 

[Harvest]

That looks like spill damage. Water on the leaves can act like a magnifying glass, frying the leaf matter underneath.

 

[CannabisFox]

I dont think its cause of the water. 250w cfl? so much damage? naaaahhh never


its ph related imo

 

[FreezerBoy]

A 250 can easily fry a plant to a crisp without water. Add water it just gets worse. That's an external burn, not internal. Here's the same thing in my 250 grow. None of the other plants showed the symptoms, none of the others got splashed. Only the plant that got splashed showed the burns.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

he has a 250w cfl though, would that be as hot as an hps for the water heating up on the leaves and cooking it like that? i thought maybe he say the bulb to close and it cooked the leaves a little. cfl does it much slower than hps but they still burn.

 

[budman678]

i left for three days and the cfl was HOT as shit. believe me i took it down and put hte 400mh in. even the hood on the cfl was hot to touch.

that is what i am assuming. also, i know without a doubt i splashed the leaves with water. because it was already too big for a beer cup, i simply poured the water in the middle of the plant. live and learn.

cfl can get too close. way too hot

 

[budman678]

cut off necrotic leaves. the rest of the growth looks great. i mean really good. this is first time growing from seed. alot of fun

 

[RetroGrow]

i suggest you contact your local water people unless you live in the country and are drawing from a well. just about all treated water in every city in america should be right around 7.

Again, I would dispute that. It's varies in different areas, and in different houses/buildings. I live in a large city, and my tap water is PH 8.9. Age of the building/pipes can be a factor in the hardness of the water, so even if the water from the source is one PH, it can change before it comes out of your tap. That's why it's important to measure it and make necessary adjustments.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

im just saying epa regulations state guidelines, and im not 100% off the top but it should be pretty close to neutral aka 7.

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Nope, PH of tap right out is 8.5 on average here,... Let it sit a day and it actually goes UP!!

Never gotten a probe into the sitting water, my conclusions are drawn from drop tests taken after a day of sitting in a 5 gallon bucket AFTER being PH adjusted down to 6.5 right after being drawn. (Draw the water, normally around 8.5 (measured with a probe), PH it down to 6.5 then let it sit a day, and it's back to 8+ according to the drop test )