Sativa Seedbank's Eldorado (Oaxacan) and Full Moon (Thai) 1

[BEC]

Hi, BEC

Yes, only 2 hours of direct sunlight every day, and so it looks like a dwarf compared to the outdoor plant which was started on the same date but receives about 9 hours of direct sunlight

Hi, Yoss33
Bufff because I can not imagine if he were the sun all day.

Anyways, this particular Eldorado plant has very short internodal spaces for a sativa, esp. at such low light levels. We took a cutting of it and gave it to a friend who's an indoor grower. If the high is good, this looks like a very promising indoor plant.

Overall the plant has surprised me on the ground that this mother, very healthy and very branching, typical sativa.
But I still say that sativa just lately you can tell when they are in bloom, you know, thin serrated leaves, those not now seem, is rare, years that are native or pure blood.

I think you can't link to photos outside of this forum, try adding the photos to an album here in this forum, and then link to them.

Do not worry, I will take that hehehehe.
Thanks for reminding me about that.

Greetings friend

 

[yoss33]

We had a bad storm last Sunday, and the Full Moon finally and completely broke. I should have supported it with a stick or net, but I thought we wouldn't get so strong winds. Next season I'll know...

Anyways, several branches (1/4th of the plant) continue and with the vigor this plant has, hopefully, they'll be enough to secure the year


Eldorado:

 

[Stone Locust]

Nice, the eldorado has grown pretty big already. I hope it's a female!
Greetings!

 

[BEC]

We had a bad storm last Sunday, and the Full Moon finally and completely broke. I should have supported it with a stick or net, but I thought we wouldn't get so strong winds. Next season I'll know...

Anyways, several branches (1/4th of the plant) continue and with the vigor this plant has, hopefully, they'll be enough to secure the year

Eldorado:

If you could, try to make a cutting of the branch game.
Aver if you have a good harvest.
Very nice indeed the ElDorado, is very healthy and very promising.
The other also try to tie branches, just in case the wind returns.

A friendly greeting.

 

[BEC]

Hi Yoss 33, I'll put some pictures of some flowers of a phenomenon of the CC forum

In the first photo, Its origin is in brazil, in the Amazon, where according to the botanical hybrid was impossible estavilizarla not hybridize, but the contribution of genes and which was investigated before making the crossing in order to preserve the genes dominates their development / stabilization but nothing more.

In the second photo, I personally I can not tell what their origin, but was rescued from an island in asia, but if I'm honest hardly any of it, not the category, but as they say its sour taste makes it stand out.

 

[yoss33]

Weekly update:

Full Moon:


Eldorado:

 

[yoss33]

Weekly update:

We are in August and the interesting things are soon coming
The bad news is that the new Eldorado plant is again male. Having the bad experience with the previous plant, I made sure this one gets very good conditions and it did, and it seemed very happy and grew healthily, and now.... male again... I don't know what to think, and what these 2 plants didn't like in this particular plot outdoors. The Full Moon next to it is growing like crazy, the soil is great, there's enough water, no major bug infestations. The plant on my friend's balcony is 100% female, the first plant that I brought outside had female pre-flowers before that, but once they are installed on this spot, the Eldorados go male...
I'll let the Eldorado polinate the Full Moon's pre-flowers, if the polen is viable. Even with this unpleasant hermie feature of the father, (Thai hybrid?) x Oaxacan sounds very interesting and worth popping a few seeds to see what the children are like.


Nevertheless, a beautiful plant it is... light green and with a "delicate" kind of structure.

The Full Moon is doing great, and good that I put sticks to support the major branches, because we had winds and heavy rain again. Besides, this plant seems simply unable to support its heavy branches and they start to break off from the stem.

 

[BEC]

Hi Yoss 33, so beo these plants are improving a lot, have to behave in such a flowering.

I regard this idea of crossing these two species, not a bad idea, and keep me informed on the crossing.

Greetings friend

 

[yoss33]

A quick update on the compact pheno of Eldorado.
Flowering is quite slow, you can see the progress from the previous photos, taken 3 weeks ago. Still no crystals and only weak smell in the mornings.
Here it is now:

 

[Dr_Tre]

Thai x Oaxacan sounds really special.

 

[yoss33]

Here comes the pollen:


And here are the sunny last minutes of the plant:

 

[yoss33]

And an update on the Full Moon.

It might be starting to flower

 

[Mustafunk]

Very beautiful pictures and plants... that male looks amazing! I love the thin leaves... I can't wait for a smoke report bro!

 

[ijim]

I grew hundreds of plants in the late 60s and early 70s from seeds that came from kilos wrapped in newspaper from Oaxaca. I knew no other growers or had no idea of sensimella or hermaphrodites. Or Sativas from Indicas for that fact. All I knew was the shit kicked my ass and wanted to grow and share it. I know now that I had a lot of hermies for the firs couple of years. But I suppose as they got acclimatized they started changing and I started getting more pure males and females. Your Eldorado looked close to the real deal but not quite. Good luck with your replacements and your buddies.

 

[yoss33]

Weekly update:
First flowers. Smell is increasing.
One small untied branch broke off and I had a few leaves in the vaporizer bowl.... nice taste, high is already there.

 

[yoss33]

I found the following quote in another thread and post it here as it makes a lot of sense and explains where did Full Moon's fat leaves most probably come from. I marked the interesting part in bold.

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Originally Posted by m0ng00se
Thai Stick - the true story

Okay everywhere I go on the web these days I see all these stories about the legendary Thai Stick from the 70's. I also see Seedbanks getting in on the act and purporting to sell the real strain that was used to make Thai stick.

My research and personal experience indicates that they are all simply making up a whole lot of rubbish.

I live in NZ which was the transit point for Thai Stick all over the world. I was there in the 70's and hooked into the Thai Stick distribution network run by Marty Johnstone and Terry Clarke.

Thai stick was known as "Buddha Stick" and as far as I know it was the Mr. Asia syndicate that coined the phrase. From memory this is actually explained in the out of print book about Terry Clarke. Anyway I have read some seedbank breeders from the 70's claiming all sorts of rubbish about "Buddha Sticks" coming from India which is rubbish. Buddha sticks have always referred to nothing but genuine Thai Stick and the "Elephant Stick" was a cheap Indian knockoff of the real Thai Stick.

Thai stick was the trippiest, most potent weed on the planet. End of story. Anybody who actually tried the real thing will tell you that and they will just laugh at you when you start going on about "White Widow" or some other fancy Dutch strain. The weed coming out of South East Asia at that time was stronger than anything that is around these days. As well as Thai Stick there was also "tripping weed" coming out of Sumatra and Vietnam that .... well you really have to try it to understand. The high is more like an acid trip than a weed experience.

Many people in later years have claimed that Thai Stick was so strong because it was dipped in opium, heroin water or hash oil. This sounds quite reasonable until you look at how much Thai Stick the Mr Asia syndicate was actually moving around the world. Dipping 500,000 sticks at a time is a pretty expensive way to do business. The book on Terry Clarke goes into quite a bit of detail about every shipment and it doesn't mention dipping the sticks in anything. Why would they even bother? They were already moving the strongest weed anyway that was selling faster than they could supply it? Still maybe they did dip it because when the weed dried up (Thailand couldn't grow enough of it fast enough to keep up with demand) the syndicate became the biggest Pacific rim heroin smuggler in the world.

It is generally accepted that the true Thai Stick strain is now extinct. The Mr Asia syndicate was buying all that could be produced and it is said that they were the ones who introduced Pakistani indica genetics to the growers. It was said that real Thai Stick took nine months to grow and mature so they crossed it with hash plant to get two or even three crops per season instead of one. I have no idea if that is true but something certainly did happen that killed Thai Stick stone dead. We started getting inferior sticks that were made up to look like the originals but the weed was different. Less potent, green instead of brown and a totally different taste and effect.

Contrary to popular belief, smokers did not embrace the new Dutch weed or believe it was more potent. That is just good marketing by the Dutch. The hippies complained loud and long about the new "chem schwag" that was replacing their beloved sun ripened golden sweet and spicey strains. We just got sick of complaining in the end.

For the record, the real Thai Stick came from Udon in East Thailand and I have never seen any Thai seeds in seedbanks that originated from this province.

Here are links to the original story of Thai Stick:

http://g-word.blogspot.com/2004/12/brigadoon.html
http://www.nzlistener.co.nz/issue/33...70E4D421455740
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Johnstone
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Thai-stick

The last link states that Thai Stick declined in popularity when stronger local weed came on the market. This is rubbish. I was there at the time in the middle of it all. Thai Stick never declined in popularity at all. It simply dried up and you couldn't get it anymore and everybody still wanted to get it and they still want to get it thirty years later. It was the fact that you couldn't get Thai Stick any longer that actually started the weed revolution. People all over the world suddenly started seeking out Asian and Columbian strains and growing them because they missed the Thai weed.

As a side note... after the Mr asia syndicate started falling apart the Australian Police busted one of the biggest commercial cannabis growing operations of all time (outside Mexico and Columbia). A huge Queensland syndicate was growing hundreds of acres (the police suppressed a lot of information at the time) of Thai weed right in the middle of the Queensland sugar cane belt. Many of the plants were reported to be 18ft high upwards. This stuff was almost as strong as original Thai Stick which sort of kills the dipped in opium theory. Not long after that NZ and Aussie were flooded with weed from Sumatra in Indonesia, apparently also grown by a huge syndicate. Once again that was killer weed far stronger than any Dutch strain I've ever tried.

In the last few years the rumours are that Papau New Guinea now has the killer weed. They call it 'Niugini gold' ....

If anybody could actually get their hands on some then we may find out that it is the new Thai Stick?

Now if anybody has any Niugini Gold seeds.... please PM me immediately ....

m0ng00se
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[yoss33]

Two weeks into flowering weather has been very good so far, let's hope for a dry September
Nice colas are forming on the many branches.

 

[yoss33]

 

[yoss33]

Update on September, 23rd:
Weather has been great, not a drop in September and forecasts are good for the end of the month. Full Moon is feeling and flowering nicely, not too fast, not too slow
There was some pollination from wild fellows but I manually removed almost every seeded flower. Perhaps about 100 seeds with crystally covers that made some nice smoke on the vaporizer.
Everything was going great until today when I saw many caterpillars and buds in shit. 4 days ago I didn't see any and now several of the colas were infested. I had to chop the top few centimeters of the top cola, because it was browning because the stem beneath was eaten through. I had a 2-hour session of picking caters with a thin stick, and after that sprayed with a moderate concentration pyrethroid to discourage new infestation. The buds will be treated by the sun at least 2 more sunny weeks so the chemical should be gone by harvest.
The smell is strong, and sickly sweet with flowery and spicy notes. It smells classic, yet not quite - there is some berry-ness added to the thai. First impressions of totally uncured material is that it is very stimulating and trippy, all in the head. Strong on the senses but not very spiritual, we'll see how the final outcome will be

 

[yoss33]

Some photos in the evening shades: