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re: lumatek ballasts will get u busted... omfg its true

mofeta

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cable guy came and said high frequencies from my house have caused over 300 peoples wireless internet in my area to go out

Are you sure he said wireless internet? I doubt it. If he did he may have misspoken. If your ballasts are putting out RF, I would be very surprised if it interfered with WIFI signals (wrong frequency). Why would a cable guy care about people's wireless networks, anyway? They are only responsible for the signal getting to your modem and the modem working right. Also, even if your ballast was putting out massive RF noise, there is no way that it could go far enough to interfere with 300 wireless networks (unless all 300 were in your basement or something), even if the noise was the right frequency.

isnt the internet mostly wired up on the telephone poles or what not outside? if it is wired, could rf REALLY affect a shielded coaxil cable line? i can understand it knocking out some wireless waves, but really the lines? ?

What cable guys care about is the signal in their cables being degraded. The way this happens is that a source of RF noise leaks into their cables. This can degrade or even knock out the internet for a lot of people, including people much farther away than the range of the RF noise in the air. Although the noise may only have a range of a few tens of feet through the air, if a unshielded/poorly shielded cable is in that area, it will pick up the interference and conduct it through the cable, potentially interfering with people's internet farther away.

A way to think about it is that your ballast is a little radio station with a range of only a few tens of feet. There is no way that this could interfere with distant users. Now think of the coax cables coming into your house as antennas. The modem in the house down the street is too far away from the radio station (your ballast) to receive the signal through the air, so no problems. But, his modem is connected to the same cable network that comes into your house, the cable acts like an antenna, picking up the interference, degrading the guys internet far away.

So really, the problem is not that the ballast is putting out the RF, its that there is unshielded/poorly shielded cable near your ballast (within the small range of the noise from your "little radiio station") that is picking up the noise. This could be as simple as a cable that is not hooked up to something, or has a splitter with an empty side, or a poorly done splice, cheap cable with bad shielding, etc. Usually it is just that there is a cable that's not being used, or isn't screwed al the way into the cable box/modem etc.

It is also very unlikely that the cable co would say anything to the police. There are lots of things that create high frequency noise, and it is none of the cable cos business as to what you have at your house that is causing it. They don't care if you are growing. The care about the other customers bitching about their internet not working. Of course they would like to have your cooperation in fixing the problem, but you don't have to. If you don't cooperate with them, and they know the interference is coming from your house, they will just disconnect you, and their problem is solved. Also, if you think that a cable company's suspicions are probable cause sufficient to get a search warrant, you are too paranoid.

My advice would be to locate the cables in your house that are within 50 ft of your ballast, and make sure they are properly shielded/screwed in etc. Or ditch the cable and go satellite for tv and dsl for internet.
 

supermanlives

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no way is it affecting 300 houses.. they could contact the FCC tho as there is limits on how much frequency/interference can be allowed. if they put out that much to affect the 300 homes it prob would be illegal to the fcc
 

Mr. Bongjangles

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I've gotten the same knock from the cable company with the new superlumens model lumatek 1k.

Same story - something at my spot was messing up the cable for a lot of people. They were pissed and ready to pull me off the system because I wouldn't let the tech guy in to inspect, took some chatting to chill them out. Stopped using the Lumatek and all was fine.

I've since switched to a dedicated 240v line (though nothing else was on the 120 line before) and moved a cable splitter that ran under that room to the other side of the house. Been smooth sailing with the Lumatek since then.

mofeta - your comments and suggestions match up perfectly with what actually happened to me and how the problem was resolved. K+ for lots of good information on this topic.
 
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stoney-trees

Ill stick to my 1000 watt magnetic...I was planning on a lumatek, but not reading this shit.
 

Hammerhead

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I don't use the 1k. the 600(2) have no issue that I can report and I'm very close to my neighbors. Over a year running the super lumen's and no issues with my Internet or sat. The only issue I'm having is they don't like Hortilux. I'm only getting 6 months of use with those bulbs if I use super lumen. IMO 1k are for commercial 600 will produce as well as 1k.
 

mofeta

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... moved a cable splitter that ran under that room to the other side of the house.

I bet that was it. I'm glad you got your problem resolved.

Way to go on how you handled the cable company. The worst thing that could have happened was for them to disconnect you, and you talked them out of even doing that. Too often I hear of growers (and non-growers, come to think of it) getting walked on by utility cos, landlords, building inspectors, cops, etc. because they are too scared of "making waves" or drawing attention to themselves to stand up for their rights.
 

growclean

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I bet that was it. I'm glad you got your problem resolved.

Way to go on how you handled the cable company. The worst thing that could have happened was for them to disconnect you, and you talked them out of even doing that. Too often I hear of growers (and non-growers, come to think of it) getting walked on by utility cos, landlords, building inspectors, cops, etc. because they are too scared of "making waves" or drawing attention to themselves to stand up for their rights.

Yup, no one enters, especially not THE MAN....

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The frequency affected 300 other people in your area but didnt affect your wireless in your own house?? How does that make sense?? Also, are they saying just the frequency is getting into the lines and affecting other lines in the area?? Do all digital ballasts have these types of issues with radio frequencies and what size and how many of these ballasts will have that much of an effect ?? You got me worried now since I just got a 250 digital ballast.
 

Mr. Bongjangles

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The frequency affected 300 other people in your area but didnt affect your wireless in your own house?? How does that make sense?? Also, are they saying just the frequency is getting into the lines and affecting other lines in the area?? Do all digital ballasts have these types of issues with radio frequencies and what size and how many of these ballasts will have that much of an effect ?? You got me worried now since I just got a 250 digital ballast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svUk74khIFk

Definitely an issue with even the lower power digital ballasts.

As for that other dude's story, I suspect he misheard or the tech misspoke about the wireless bit - the RF interference gets into the cable lines as described in mofeta's post above.
 
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jonnybgood29

build a faraday box.... go to the hardware store and buy some brass window screen and enclose to balast. gound the cage and nooooo rf can escape. problem solved. cost, about 10 dollars
 

stonedar

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most RF leaks come from cheap non-shielded lamp cords to the socket.
if I use my 600w lumatek (not dual) or my cheapo 250w HID-Hut digi ballasts with a good hydrofarm or SS cord-set I get no interference/cross talk on any other equipment.
if I use the cheap ass-ed cord set/wing reflector that came with my HTG supply 1000w mag ballast with either digital ballast I get lots of RF interference, ie. to the point of losing some digital channels on my cable.
 

Hammerhead

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if your that paranoid get magnetic ballasts. Been using Lumatek for 10 years or more cant remember. I have never had any issues with RF.
 

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