Which Organic Fertilizer to buy?

[heady blunts]

a healthy living soil system and its elements are what most of us in this forum are referring to when we use the term "organic."

regardless of the chemical similarity of "organic" nutrients to synthetic, the biological network at work in living soil is far more capable of meeting a plant's specific needs from moment to moment than any human can hope to be.

i encourage everyone to nurture that biology when they garden. if you focus on feeding your soil instead of trying to feed your plant, then your soil will grow your plant for you. and if you've got happy soil, you're gonna have perfect plants. it's so simple and it works so well!

 

[jaykush]

some angry stuff in here, now they are happy thoughts. keep that stuff to zero.

 

[mad librettist]

you won't get mold every time you use paper or cardboard, or often at all, but when you do, just a tiny bit will stink up everything in the bag.

 

[soil margin]

well oddly that doesnt make sense to me, where i live its very humid and as long as i have some fan ventilating the area, i have never once had an issue with the bags. i never said they make your bud smell like paper bags either, i simply said i like the smell of paper bags, the even drying process to me adds a more fragrant robust smell and overall flavor rather than if i were to just hang dry the entire time straight to jars. the bags do nothing other than evenly pull moisture rather than an uneven drying process some cant avoid in my case which easily leads to mold, unwanted smells and just a lacking product. no matter what i do i could never control my closet enough to not open my jars no matter what method i use, its just too humid here, as to why i started using the bags which your telling me dont work in humid areas apparently.

unless you are purposely trying to get moldy bud with extremely high humidity and no ventilation then sure its going to happen in the bags, i live in high humidity area and with fans and proper venting there has never once been a problem.

now on the organic matter, i would really appreciate it if you fully read why i made such a remark before you start insulting me over nothing or at least take the time to try and understand my point of view even if you arent willing to fully believe it. without delaying you further with nonsense.

this is my view your welcome to study the same contents i have over the years dealing with chemistry, biochemistry, abiogenesis and a baisc understanding of chemosynthesis. maybe you already do so this should be easier to understand, shouldnt be hard if you dont have any background in any of those subjects anyway. this of which has determined my views/theory on why the term organic is almost a misconception to me or in other words a very low level broad view on the meaning of what people feel is organic. it is much more complicated than understanding just where it came from par say you need to understand each individual compound and the molecular structures between them. what determines a compound is purely organic? its mainly speculation and only based on very minimal differences even though of "inorganic, organic" properties they can both either have base structure from either what people get caught up in as organic or inorganic processes. although the most notable differences being that almost everything is derived from carbon molecules, a carbon compound or material based of carbon compounds would be considered truly organic by technical means but will easily be a 50/50 subject for many much more avid chemist, why? if the compound was based on nothing other than a process between two inorganic compounds even through a completely natural process that does not by any means make it inorganic. although synthetics are a way of us trying to replicate and improve on natures already proven formula the two amazingly are so closely tied, im amazed everyday at the many battles i see over such an issue that can easily fall to either side. that being said lets view the biological side to all this, our planet is capable of creating these same processes whether it be a organic compound formed on a inorganic process through natural properties the term organic can only be taken with a grain of salt. a better example, oil. most would assume oil is a inorganic compound mainly because of the products made from it and its history for not being the most environmentally friendly resource, well from the technical aspect of it which doesnt mean too much chemistry wise would be considered organic, its constructed of the same carbon molecules youll probably find in your soil mixes or even chelated teas, but here is why. organic doesnt really matter too much in terms of chemistry once you understand the relationship between what people expect inorganic/organic to be not only that the relationship between chemical processes and molecular compounds. back to the oil example, what do you get when you mix oil with water, both obviously considered organic compound by technical means but not by nature, once mixed they create a supposed inorganic bond. the once biodegradable oil is not any longer and disrupts the organic compounds within H2o, does this make it inorganic? no it doesnt they still consist of the same properties they just react chemically differently than other similar compounds. the reason i feel the term organic isnt necessarily the correct way to perceive its meaning is because to me organic is nothing more than a choice or a preference for a possibly safer product, although there is no legitimate proof properly grown cannabis with synthetic counterparts will harm you any more than say your own amended soil mixture, regardless of your choice they are both capable of achieving the exact same results. what people need to understand is not all chemicals are bad, these nutrient companies i highly doubt are using chemicals any more harmful of that in any natural chemical occurrence that creates supposed "organic" compounds, from all my banter you now know even inorganic compounds are capable of creating organic compounds through very similar just more complex processes. what you prefer to use is up to you, does it make anything better than another not at all, just preference. no matter how many processes something can go through synthetics the same can occur in nature itself, just more complex.

i know with enough care, experience and consideration you can easily get the same results using either synthetic or organic mediums, its not me trying to make you feel good.

its fucking science!

ive been dying to say that.. regardless take it with a grain of salt like i said, if you believe otherwise lets not make an argument over nothing please everyone thinks differently the world would suck balls if we all thought the same, yea some subjects would be great to all agree on but realistically speaking..

time to take a nap. peace.

IM A RETARD POSTING HUGE WALLS OF TEXT, WHEEEEEEEE!

 

[supermanlives]

i been using bags a long time . not one single problem. sometimes in winter i even speed the process slightly buy sitting the bag on seedling heat mat with a piece of paper under bag so it dont get too warm.the grocery store knows i want all my goodies in paper bags

 

[greenops]

"happy thoughts"

OP (greenops) not too many of the organic heads on here use bottled organic nutes. they are more into amending soils, top dressing, or teas. I personally have used Biobizz's line with success, I was given a complete set to try (bioheaven or whatever it's called wasn't out then.) I had good luck with it, but it was alot of mixing of small amounts of nutes from multiple bottles of their line. The end results were pretty good though. If you were to ask me in real life what the best way to start out with organics, I'd probably point you towards epsoma's line of dry fertilizer. You can get good results with their Gardentone or Foxfarm's Fruit & Flower as a top-dressing or mixed into your soil. Possibly even better mixes in the organics for beginners sticky are tried and true recipes for success, or at least at damn good place to start.

yea i know now. lol... I definitely would like to learn and do it the true organic way. but as of now I dont have time as my i already started my grow. I already got a pre mixed soil and everything. Anyway, thanks for the info!

 

[Wav3F0rm]

I saw what you said you had in your area, but, i am a very big fan of Blue Mountain Organics, they are great and cost effective(found only on ebay). Otherwise i like espoma or Jobe's(but jobes does organic and elemantal so just pay attention) Espoma and Jobes organic mix contains a slew of beneficials. Good stuff Espoma and Jobes are national, can be found everywhere.(home depot, big box stores)

 

[Microbeman]

its fucking science!

As Larry David would say....Well......

 

[Cola Candy]

Spacekiller you seem to have one hell of an ego, making sure everyone knows just how much of an authority you must be because of your years 'dealing with chemistry, biochemistry, abiogenesis and a baisc understanding of chemosynthesis'. I found it difficult to continue reading beyond that point.