ScroG - Super Cheese; stretch much?

[LokiLoki]

Yeeee thats what im talking about!

I have never super cropped, would you recommend it for my scrog?

 

[mad librettist]

in your situation I would train the branches on top of the screen, not under it. tie them down with velcro.

when you pull them under, it makes it hard to reposition, so save that technique for when you know the strain.

I you crush the stems you will get increased branching. If you are in the northern hemisphere I would not do that because you will be harvesting in the fall when RH is lower. I you were going to harvest in July it would be a good idea to encourage branching and smaller buds.

 

[BET]

Yeeee thats what im talking about!

I have never super cropped, would you recommend it for my scrog?

thanks for stopping by! I have zero experience with it other than this grow so I'm nowhere near qualified to say. scroggerman actually advised against it but curiosity got the better of me and I tried it. I seem to have been lucky with this strain as the plant has so far responded well but other strains may not fare so well. I've read you can hermie your plant if you stress it too much. plenty of info to read about it on the web - I'm just someone who likes to learn by trial and error so gave it a go, fully prepared to put up with any negative consequences

BET

 

[BET]

in your situation I would train the branches on top of the screen, not under it. tie them down with velcro.

when you pull them under, it makes it hard to reposition, so save that technique for when you know the strain.

I you crush the stems you will get increased branching. If you are in the northern hemisphere I would not do that because you will be harvesting in the fall when RH is lower. I you were going to harvest in July it would be a good idea to encourage branching and smaller buds.

thanks for the advice

I'd not thought of training above the net but that sounds like a great idea - I was thinking where I could tie stuff down underneath yet I've got a load of netting to use in the screen if I tie down above the net. I don't have Velcro but I've lots of garden string.

re: cropping, although I hadn't considered the RH based on my location, in my somewhat limited experience this is easily controlled in an indoor grow room isn't it? I've certainly changed my RH using bowls of water evaporating into the air

so I'm basically looking at lst'ing it above the net.... interesting. it makes sense because I'm certainly running out of room now. I could train more under the net but I already snapped a branch doing this because its quite tight under there. I think its because of the height of the screen - it had to long to veg under it.

cheers

BET

 

[Scrogerman]

if you do above the screen with ties, then the scrogs gonna be all over the place,bit harder to control imo, shoots will just take off, so they'll need repostion too, mmm! that sounds complicated! for me it'd be alot easier to fix n train under! its whatever works.

any new pics yet BET?

 

[BET]

if you do above the screen with ties, the the scrogs gonna be all over the place,bit harder to control imo, shoots will just take off, so they'll need repostion too, mmm! that sounds complicated! for me it'd be alot easier to fix n train under! its whatever works.

any new pics yet BET?

I'll get some up later today. I've still been able to train some of the plant under then screen and I've spoken to one guy who trained above the net and found that his cola's went all over the place so I'll continue to train underneath whilst I can.

I've been reading a lot about the cheese strain and because it is pretty short it seems that I could get away with just training for 2 weeks into the 12/12. It seems to stretch for the first 18 or so days, so two weeks will give me a good few inches of growth above the net to start filling out those buds. Its my first anyway, so I'll learn from this one and be able to change bits up next grow. This cheese strain takes the nutes well and I've only had one stem snap whilst training - its pretty flexible. So far its been easy to work with so I may well do this one again if the smoke is good




BET

 

[BET]

ps starting to see nice little white pistils springing up all over the place

Sweet

 

[LokiLoki]

ps starting to see nice little white pistils springing up all over the place

Sweet

Pictures..!

Im doing my first scrog right now and im wondering what you mean by training under the net. Im guessing its when you just pull down the stems under the net? Do you tie them down like lst under the net too?

Thanks!

 

[BET]

Pictures..!

Im doing my first scrog right now and im wondering what you mean by training under the net. Im guessing its when you just pull down the stems under the net? Do you tie them down like lst under the net too?

Thanks!

Sorry for the lack of pictures. My Cannon POS camera has died (pro tip: don't let kids play with expensive camera's). My phone camera, despite being sweet has this horrid banding across the screen and will not focus correctly. I've taken dozens with it but I believe its the spectrum of the HPS that is shafting the focus and banding. I can't really post them up they are gutter shite.

Anyway, you are correct. Training under the net is literally letting them grow up and through the net naturally and when they reach 2-4" above the net, you simply pull the stem back through and place where you want aka a hole in the screen further away, therefore meaning the stem has to reach further from the main plant and the result is that it will be lower in the screen height wise. You'll then find that with correct pruning of the larger fan leaves, you'll create enough space for light to reach the lower nodes on the same stem and these will naturally stretch for the available light and eventually (quicker than you think!) go up through the screen as well - in holes closer to the center.

There isn't a need to tie them off at this point. The screen IS the tie . I have thought before now that I'd need to tie them down under the screen if needs be or even above the screen, but you'll be surprised just how much bending and re-arranging these things will take. Obviously you have to be careful with more developed parts of the stem as they can snap easily, but providing you are playing with the ends of stems mainly, you'll find these to be fresh and more importantly, supple. They will bend easily. The number of shoots that were getting out of control after a busy bank holiday weekend, and I was literally bending them back on themselves in a 'U' shape to get them into newer holes, was incredible. I thought about leaving them to just grow upwards, but they were only 2 weeks into their 12/12, and scrogerman said to leave them for around 4 weeks. That will be tight for me, but I'll get them as close to that as I can.

Pro tip: (LOL @ pro) when vegging, don't be too scared about bending or snapping branches. You can do this in veg without too much trouble and you'll find their bounce back ability is phenomenal. If you mean to do this, its called super cropping, if you fuck up and just break them then well, you've just learned how to super crop! jk jk... there is more to it than that, but I guess I'm trying to say that if you do snap something in veg, don't worry too much. The plants are fantastic healers. In flower its different because too much stress at that point can hermie your plant. Some strains seem to be more sensitive than others. E.g my honey B strain was super sensitive to nutes, but this cheese strain eats them up and asks for more. It all builds experience, and learning what works. I read a lot... anything I can find. I know how to research and make an educated guess off of several pieces of material (never guess off just one piece of information), but nothing will substitute getting your hands dirty and experiencing something. Some of my best lessons in life have come from my own failure. People who tell you otherwise, are probably full of shit


BET


ps once I can get a god damned working camera, I will post pics

pps I have had to 'weave' a couple of branches at this point in the cycle. I really didn't want too, but I've done what I can to ensure they have space. If you weave stems through the screen rather than train under it, you'll risk more work later on if things start to get hairy space wise. Hopefully I won't have to do anymore, and it was because I've been away over the weekend that some grew too high to pull back through... so I have no option but to settle for sloppy second choice

 

[LokiLoki]

Sorry for the lack of pictures. My Cannon POS camera has died (pro tip: don't let kids play with expensive camera's). My phone camera, despite being sweet has this horrid banding across the screen and will not focus correctly. I've taken dozens with it but I believe its the spectrum of the HPS that is shafting the focus and banding. I can't really post them up they are gutter shite.

Anyway, you are correct. Training under the net is literally letting them grow up and through the net naturally and when they reach 2-4" above the net, you simply pull the stem back through and place where you want aka a hole in the screen further away, therefore meaning the stem has to reach further from the main plant and the result is that it will be lower in the screen height wise. You'll then find that with correct pruning of the larger fan leaves, you'll create enough space for light to reach the lower nodes on the same stem and these will naturally stretch for the available light and eventually (quicker than you think!) go up through the screen as well - in holes closer to the center.

There isn't a need to tie them off at this point. The screen IS the tie . I have thought before now that I'd need to tie them down under the screen if needs be or even above the screen, but you'll be surprised just how much bending and re-arranging these things will take. Obviously you have to be careful with more developed parts of the stem as they can snap easily, but providing you are playing with the ends of stems mainly, you'll find these to be fresh and more importantly, supple. They will bend easily. The number of shoots that were getting out of control after a busy bank holiday weekend, and I was literally bending them back on themselves in a 'U' shape to get them into newer holes, was incredible. I thought about leaving them to just grow upwards, but they were only 2 weeks into their 12/12, and scrogerman said to leave them for around 4 weeks. That will be tight for me, but I'll get them as close to that as I can.

Pro tip: (LOL @ pro) when vegging, don't be too scared about bending or snapping branches. You can do this in veg without too much trouble and you'll find their bounce back ability is phenomenal. If you mean to do this, its called super cropping, if you fuck up and just break them then well, you've just learned how to super crop! jk jk... there is more to it than that, but I guess I'm trying to say that if you do snap something in veg, don't worry too much. The plants are fantastic healers. In flower its different because too much stress at that point can hermie your plant. Some strains seem to be more sensitive than others. E.g my honey B strain was super sensitive to nutes, but this cheese strain eats them up and asks for more. It all builds experience, and learning what works. I read a lot... anything I can find. I know how to research and make an educated guess off of several pieces of material (never guess off just one piece of information), but nothing will substitute getting your hands dirty and experiencing something. Some of my best lessons in life have come from my own failure. People who tell you otherwise, are probably full of shit


BET


ps once I can get a god damned working camera, I will post pics

pps I have had to 'weave' a couple of branches at this point in the cycle. I really didn't want too, but I've done what I can to ensure they have space. If you weave stems through the screen rather than train under it, you'll risk more work later on if things start to get hairy space wise. Hopefully I won't have to do anymore, and it was because I've been away over the weekend that some grew too high to pull back through... so I have no option but to settle for sloppy second choice

Seriously, thank you very much for that answer! I love this forum, the fact that you took the time and actually wrote that information makes me happy

I think im 100% ready for my scrog now! And goddamn its soooo bushy! Gonna fill up the whole net in notime

And about that "bounce back ability", yeah i know its crazy, ive broken so many stems and it only seem to make them stronger! I just love growing this plant, there's so much you can do!!

My philosophy when it comes to growing is kinda trail and error, like you said, a mix between information and experience is a winner

Sorry to hear about the camera!! But guess what, you just learned something new!

Take care man and good luck!

 

[BET]

No worries mate. Things are going well for me in this grow so far, I've raised the light a couple of times as well. Its week 3 of the 12/12, and I'm gonna just let them go now. I have little to no room left to train them and even with some pretty brutal pruning of fan leaves it gets mighty tight in there. I want to ensure I keep air flow at a maximum to avoid mold later on - touch wood not had any before now, but you have to take these things into consideration.

If there is one thing I've learned already is this; nothing will make your life easier than preparation. The thought you put into the grow and the tlc you give the plant at every stage - rather than just letting it get messy, will pay dividends in the end.


Anyways, got a camera off next door. Made sure I deleted the pics before I gave it back hehe












Not the best quality pics, but the camera is old and the focus is a bit weak. But, hopefully you can see that things are progressing nicely. Its about 2 weeks into flower. Yup, it started flowering within 1 week of its 12/12 cycle. Some can take 3 or even 4 weeks to start showing pistils, but this one just bared all from real early on.


BET

 

[BET]

PS I can't remember whether I mentioned the CFL's you see in the pics. I had 4 kicking around so attached them in a rather caveman fashion with duct tape and a staple gun. They are rated 45W for whatever that is worth. I know they have to be real close to the plants to make any difference but the cab is brighter and I will eventually get some T5's I think. As I said, they were just there so I stuck them in there as well.

Also, I love growing this plant as well. My wife and I own an allotment but nothing is as interesting to see grow as cannabis. Its not even the knowledge that I will get awesome smoke off it; the plant is beautiful from start to finish. Its simply a stunning thing to watch grow.


BET

 

[BET]

just to update, the plant is responding really well to Terra Canna Flores. I'm using 4ml/ltr because some of the threads here stated that the full recommended dosage of 5ml/ltr was too much. pistils are popping up everywhere


BET

 

[LokiLoki]

Looking very crowded in there mate!
How much height you got in the cab?

Agree with the preparations, its very important, especially with SCROG!

I also grow a lot of other plants.. My work involves growing chillis
But theres no plant thats more fun than cannabis actually, you can do so much with it!

Not only is it very beautiful, its very easy to grow and manipulate into all kinds of shapes, i just love it!

Take care!

 

[BET]

Luckily I have 180cm of height to grow into - not that is will need half of that - but its an old wardrobe I took apart them gave it a new life in the attic. Although this strain is meant to be small, I am doing scrog because of the 150W HPS having abysmal penetration, so growing normally would not see anywhere near the sort of yield I could get with scrog.

I just managed one more set of training on some of the stems to get them where I wanted them. At the start I was so gentle, but they can take a lot more than that so I'm literally just pulling down and threading back up somewhere else - they just recover so easily.

Chillis FTW! I'm a chilli fan, I have just finished the last of some dorset naga that we have had a couple of years. Were getting a bit weak after 4 years in the freezer, but still hot enough to make most of my friends eye's water. When they were new, they gave you ulsers. Awesome.

I grew at my parents when I was 18 (over a decade ago now) and grew outdoors. The first year I got away with telling them it wasn't illegal to grow, only illegal to sell (the shit you come out with as a kid lol), and whilst they were growing I'd frequently find my mum down the garden sniffing and admiring their beauty. Happy days.


BET

 

[LokiLoki]

Luckily I have 180cm of height to grow into - not that is will need half of that - but its an old wardrobe I took apart them gave it a new life in the attic. Although this strain is meant to be small, I am doing scrog because of the 150W HPS having abysmal penetration, so growing normally would not see anywhere near the sort of yield I could get with scrog.

Cool 180 is more then enough then
Wise choice with the scrog, even if you have a 150w or 600w i believe you almost always get a bigger yield
You should go for a tent and Cooltube with a 400w mate!

I just managed one more set of training on some of the stems to get them where I wanted them. At the start I was so gentle, but they can take a lot more than that so I'm literally just pulling down and threading back up somewhere else - they just recover so easily.

Yeah its crazy how much they can take! Ofc you should be careful, but if you do break a stem it will probably just be alright

Chillis FTW! I'm a chilli fan, I have just finished the last of some dorset naga that we have had a couple of years. Were getting a bit weak after 4 years in the freezer, but still hot enough to make most of my friends eye's water. When they were new, they gave you ulsers. Awesome.

Cool man! Im also a pretty big chilli fan, as i said my work involves growing chillis, i breed and sell chilli seeds etc. Too bad i can't tell you anything more about it or send any pictures cus i use them on other sites you know..

I love the dorset naga man, its crazy hot and fun to grow!

Im currently growing a cross ive been working on for years, im growing it in extreme lights and very high temps to try and create the hottest chilli ever! God i hope i succeed

I grew at my parents when I was 18 (over a decade ago now) and grew outdoors. The first year I got away with telling them it wasn't illegal to grow, only illegal to sell (the shit you come out with as a kid lol), and whilst they were growing I'd frequently find my mum down the garden sniffing and admiring their beauty. Happy days.


BET

Hahaha really?? Thats crazy But fun that she enjoyed them! Did they smoke any?

Anyways take care mate! Im of to take care of my big bang!

 

[BET]

Cool 180 is more then enough then
Wise choice with the scrog, even if you have a 150w or 600w i believe you almost always get a bigger yield
You should go for a tent and Cooltube with a 400w mate!


Yeah its crazy how much they can take! Ofc you should be careful, but if you do break a stem it will probably just be alright


Cool man! Im also a pretty big chilli fan, as i said my work involves growing chillis, i breed and sell chilli seeds etc. Too bad i can't tell you anything more about it or send any pictures cus i use them on other sites you know..

I love the dorset naga man, its crazy hot and fun to grow!

Im currently growing a cross ive been working on for years, im growing it in extreme lights and very high temps to try and create the hottest chilli ever! God i hope i succeed


Hahaha really?? Thats crazy But fun that she enjoyed them! Did they smoke any?

Anyways take care mate! Im of to take care of my big bang!

Let me know if you do create the hottest chilli, I'd be up for some of that!

Nope, the parents never smoked it, but my aunt did. It was crazy at the time, she's on my dad's side, and he's very straight and serious, but she was over one time and asked if I had any because its one thing she never tried when she was a kid. She was about 60 at the time, and I was making her cheese on toast whilst she bombed out on the sofa. My parents always look back at that and laugh.

Yup, if I was to use a 400W I'd certainly use a cool tube for that. Hell, the 150W HPS gets a little warm so I build a cool box for that anyways. I can use that for any size bulb

Big bang looks sweet. I'll put that on my list to try for next time seeing as it seems to be suited for scrog so far


BET

 

[BET]

Here are 4 updated pics taken today

As you can see, its filled up nicely, and I managed yet another set of pulling back through the screen and repositioning. I also had a good trim of fan leaves. I probably won't trim much more as its getting further into flower - don't want to stress it much more.

I'm going to give up saying 'this is the last time I can train it under the net'.... because it just keeps surprising me how easily I can do it after a good trim. Its important to keep trimming for not only air flow, but certainly for me its been more important to be able to actually see what can be positioned where when you retrain.

Anyway, here they are. I can guarantee I'll get at least double from this than growing normally, maybe more.. I've many more bud sites, neary 3 times as many as last time in a normal grow, and I'm making better use of the light penetration.












Laters

BET

 

[LokiLoki]

Here are 4 updated pics taken today

As you can see, its filled up nicely, and I managed yet another set of pulling back through the screen and repositioning. I also had a good trim of fan leaves. I probably won't trim much more as its getting further into flower - don't want to stress it much more.

I'm going to give up saying 'this is the last time I can train it under the net'.... because it just keeps surprising me how easily I can do it after a good trim. Its important to keep trimming for not only air flow, but certainly for me its been more important to be able to actually see what can be positioned where when you retrain.

Anyway, here they are. I can guarantee I'll get at least double from this than growing normally, maybe more.. I've many more bud sites, neary 3 times as many as last time in a normal grow, and I'm making better use of the light penetration.


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BET

Looking really good, nice and even

Looks like it could be a really good harvest!

 

[Warped1]

Great job BET, and like you said,,making better use of light penetration..it's the key. Really nice work, and with scrogerman in your corner, you couldn't miss. Are you hooked on scrogs yet??