bho with fresh plant

[Starth_Vader]

hello guys. I keep reading that you need to use dried plant matter to make bho. I have a plant that is outdoor and has been showing a couple spots of mold. The mold has been removed but i know there can still be more. My plan is to harvest the plant and make it all into bho but i am worried that if i dry the buds and trim out i may lose some to mold. So my question to you all is can i use fresh bud and trim or trim that has been in the freezer to make bho? Also if i can will i get equal quality and yield as if it were dry?
Thank you for your time.

S_V

 

[LAION]

Don't do it, best to dry it out before making bho. If buds are wet this means that if you are shooting butane through, the moisture in the buds will ice up and there might be some pressure that can blow up your glass.

 

[Starth_Vader]

that is one of the things i was afraid of...Thanks for your reply

 

[Gray Wolf]

Fresh frozen plant material makes top notch BHO. Far more flavorful than with cured material.

Check out Jump117's thread on Amber in 15 minutes.

If you redissolve the extracted in ethanol, winterize it and filter to 0.2 microns using a syringe filter, you can remove the mold plant matter and spores.

This works well with Bothrytis and Powdery Mildew, but doesn't take out aflatoxins that may be present with other types of mold. It does take out the mold flavor and smell, rendering material infected with the above two molds useable.

 

[juicepuddle]

Fresh frozen plant material makes top notch BHO. Far more flavorful than with cured material.

Check out Jump117's thread on Amber in 15 minutes.

If you redissolve the extracted in ethanol, winterize it and filter to 0.2 microns using a syringe filter, you can remove the mold plant matter and spores.

This works well with Bothrytis and Powdery Mildew, but doesn't take out aflatoxins that may be present with other types of mold. It does take out the mold flavor and smell, rendering material infected with the above two molds useable.

I think above they are afraid of the plant material freezing due to water still in it, and then expanding and breaking the glass tube.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I think above they are afraid of the plant material freezing due to water still in it, and then expanding and breaking the glass tube.

I freeze my material first and then break it up for loading. After loading, I refreeze before running.

No issues with glass breakage........

 

[mad librettist]

can the botrytis that affects weed hurt you?

because I loooove wines that are affected by botrytis. Sauternes and Mosel in particular

 

[Gray Wolf]

can the botrytis that affects weed hurt you?

because I loooove wines that are affected by botrytis. Sauternes and Mosel in particular

It is the same mold that creates the "Noble Rot" so prized by grape growers and I can find no information suggesting that it produces toxic aflatoxins.

 

[jump117]

Hey Starth_Vader, In discussions about the loading tube is common recommendation to pack material as tightly as possible.

I do not use pipes, but I suspect that the dense packing of fresh material in contact with butane form an ice plug.

Thermos as the extractor is great for butane extraction of fresh flowers.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Fresh frozen plant material makes top notch BHO. Far more flavorful than with cured material.

what benefit is the freezing, as opposed to just cutting it off the vine and stuffing the tube right away?

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Hey Starth_Vader, In discussions about the loading tube is common recommendation to pack material as tightly as possible.

I do not use pipes, but I suspect that the dense packing of fresh material in contact with butane form an ice plug.

Thermos as the extractor is great for butane extraction of fresh flowers.

yeah its not good to pack super tight, but one can still pack snug without tamping much, and its ok.

 

[Gray Wolf]

what benefit is the freezing, as opposed to just cutting it off the vine and stuffing the tube right away?

It ties up the water in ice.

 

[jump117]

Non-refrigerated material in contact will cause rapid evaporation of butane, accompanied by a decrease in temperature.

Evaporation will continue as long as the temperature drops below the boiling point when the butane can remain in liquid state and be solvent.

In gaseous state butane ceases to be solvent and its rapid evaporation will cause the pressure jump inside the extractor, which adds unnecessary extremity to the already dangerous process.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

It ties up the water in ice.

trichome size decreases markedly between dry and fresh, i wonder what percentage of the trichome is moisture, and what the freezing does to them? i also wonder if it makes a more efficient extraction or not, because back in the day we did a bunch of tests, for yield using various variables, and found nothing really made any difference, but we were testing with dry material, not wet, although one of the tests was to moisten the material. we heated material, wetted material, heated butane, froze material, and froze butane, and different combinations of those.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Non-refrigerated material in contact will cause rapid evaporation of butane, accompanied by a decrease in temperature.

Evaporation will continue as long as the temperature drops below the boiling point when the butane can remain in liquid state and be solvent.

In gaseous state butane ceases to be solvent and its rapid evaporation will cause the pressure jump inside the extractor, which adds unnecessary extremity to the already dangerous process.

it doesnt really work like that, i have a glass tube, and as long as you are introducing more butane at a fast enough rate, the bulk of it remains a liquid throughout the extraction, and enters your catching dish to be evaporated. not a lot of it turns to gas on the way through.

 

[Starth_Vader]

well it sounds like i need to do a run with some frozen i have and then with some fresh and then with some dried. I have never done a BHO run but i have been doing a good bit of research and i think it will be fairly simple. I understand the risks involved and i have worked with solvents before so i dont fear the extraction. I will keep you all posted and thank you so much for the help and responses. cheers!

S_V

 

[Starth_Vader]

Oh also i forgot to ask a couple questions. Hashmasta when is aqualab gonna get more curves in? I am looking forward to it. Also i was planning on getting the okief x-tractor or maybe making my own with stainless steel and a cork to start off with but i was wondering where to get a glass extractor. Is this like a need to know a blower kind of thing or am i just missing something. Thanks for the help guys.

S_V

 

[Gray Wolf]

trichome size decreases markedly between dry and fresh, i wonder what percentage of the trichome is moisture, and what the freezing does to them? i also wonder if it makes a more efficient extraction or not, because back in the day we did a bunch of tests, for yield using various variables, and found nothing really made any difference, but we were testing with dry material, not wet, although one of the tests was to moisten the material. we heated material, wetted material, heated butane, froze material, and froze butane, and different combinations of those.

Solly, I don't know what percent moisture content trichomes have either.

I don't see any mechanisim that would increase the BHO yield using wet material though. In fact the yield by weight is much lower using wet material, because the heavier wet material still has the same amount of trichomes as the lighter cured material.

I come out about the same if I adjust for the (10/15%) lower water content.

 

[jump117]

trichome size decreases markedly between dry and fresh, i wonder what percentage of the trichome is moisture, and what the freezing does to them?

In addition to the proposed water, the resin contains a lot of volatile substances.
Maybe it's their evaporation reduces the stickiness of trichomes and their size?

Butane will turn the moisture in the ice, and the filter will remove it from the solution.

 

[Chunkypigs]

tried this today for the 1st time, BHO with fresh frozen trim intended for h2o extraction.
had a couple of blowouts when I packed it too tight, but I got it to work well and I'm really pleased at how easy it was and how great the finished product smokes.

I want to try re freezing after packing as suggested by Grey Wolf, I missed that the 1st read through.

Jump117 can you explain the process using the thermos? do you just drill a hole in the lid and empty your butane in there and swish it around for a while?

thanks