Vick on dogfighting in GQ: ‘People act like it’s some crazy thing they never heard of

[mad librettist]

Vick on dogfighting in GQ: ‘People act like it’s some crazy thing they never heard of

its one of those things i just know bro,and believe me they get the best medical attn and rarely do they go to the death.And they are never forced to fight like i said its either in the dog or not.I do believe you saw what you say you did but i guarantee you they weren't professionals


By the way im a animal lover 2

bullshitter is what you are, and making some arbitrary distinction between professional criminals involved in cruelty, and amateur criminals doing the same.

breeding down to make practice dogs is not a myth. I rehabilitated one and he is now a wonderful pet.

in my last neighborhood dog fighting was going on, and bodies get dumped. This happened in secret as the hood does not approve as a rule. I have moved, but I still live in what most of you would call "the hood". Dogs here are pets and beloved family members, and fighting is an aberration.


it's also my experience as someone who works with dogs for a living that dogs fight because their owners teach them to. dogs are good at reading people and giving them what they ask for. work with any other mammal and you notice that dog behavior is decided by human inputs.
with all the dog sports out there, no one can say their dog needs to fight. It is also not "natural" for dogs to fight. In nature, dog pecking order is mostly established through ritualized contest. An actual fight is very rare for the obvious reason that it's already dangerous enough to hunt for food, so a pack can't afford fighting. The role of the alpha pair is to maintain order and peace. It's not an MMA tournament.

take a good look at what you are defending for sport. this needs to go on every page of this thread, because it's easier to sugarcoat things you can't see. Do you feel "best medical care" makes it ok to do what you see below?:

By the way im a animal lover 2

By the way im a animal lover 2

 

[Weird]

bullshitter is what you are, and making some arbitrary distinction between professional criminals involved in cruelty, and amateur criminals doing the same.

breeding down to make practice dogs is not a myth. I rehabilitated one and he is now a wonderful pet.

in my last neighborhood dog fighting was going on, and bodies get dumped.


it's also my experience that dogs fight because their owners teach them to. dogs are good at reading people and giving them what they ask for. work with any other mammal and you notice that dog behavior is decided by human inputs.


with all the dog sports out there, no one can say their dog needs to fight.

take a good look at what you are defending for sport. this needs to go on every page of this thread, because it's easier to sugarcoat things you can't see:

dogs fights are human driven activities

rehabilitate the humans so you wont have to rehabilitate dogs anymore

you can reach a persons heart and reason if you have the same same genuine love for them that you have for dogs

you know the love that understands them regardless of how fucked up they are

we are just as animal as animals and our conscience must be cultivated or it will not exist

the harmonious existence among all creatures has to start with us

and if you enlightened enough to have compassion for something as different from you as a dog then you aren't far off from opening that gateway in your heart and understanding for people

yeah its a really tough concept

the cultivation of love and compassion but trust me

once life is opened in this way

you will have reached the potential mankind possesses

don't let anger for the things that seem wrong consume you, let understanding flow so you can know the difference between you and those who don't understand and simply fill the differential with compassionate insight

enlightenment is real it comes from us

as much as people who abuse animals suck, what made them become people who abuse animals is just as tragic

 

[mad librettist]

dogs fights are human driven activities

rehabilitate the humans so you wont have to rehabilitate dogs anymore

you can reach a persons heart and reason if you have the same same genuine love for them that you have for dogs

you know the love that understands them regardless of how fucked up they are

we are just as animal as animals and our conscience must be cultivated or it will not exist

the harmonious existence among all creatures has to start with us

and if you enlightened enough to have compassion for something as different from you as a dog then you aren't far off from opening that gateway in your heart and understanding for people

yeah its a really tough concept

the cultivation of love and compassion but trust me

once life is opened in this way

you will have reached the potential mankind possesses

don't let anger for the things that seem wrong consume you, let understanding flow so you can know the difference between you and those who don't understand and simply fill the differential with compassionate insight

enlightenment is real it comes from us

as much as people who abuse animals suck, what made them become people who abuse animals is just as tragic

nothing hateful in my speech.

and nothing wrong at all with exposing the difference between reality and how people describe it to avoid feeling guilty. I think the euphemisms deserve a face. let's look at it again:

 

[Weird]

nothing hateful in my speech.

and nothing wrong at all with exposing the difference between reality and how people describe it to avoid feeling guilty. I think the euphemisms deserve a face.

not saying hateful not at all

in fact if you weren't caring and consciousnesses i would have saved the speech

the dialog between you and i was more for the whole of those reading it and I responded to you because your rational and I know you get what I am saying

on the whole, alot of the IC mag community spends time crafting a them vs us

you know part of opening the mind is being different

but why stop at the opening of one mind

i think we are capable of a how lot more if we use the effort we put into our gardens as a metric

fix the people and the dogs will reflect it

win win for everyone

putting peoples noses in it doesn't do for them like it does for dogs imho but i appreciate your stance its hard when you advocate for any victim to have compassion for the perpetrator

 

[mad librettist]

putting peoples noses in it doesn't do for them like it does for dogs imho but i appreciate your stance its hard when you advocate for any victim to have compassion for the perpetrator
_______________

putting a dog's nose in it is has never worked and never will. you have to catch them in the act and interrupt them, and reward them for doing it right. you might need to remind them at first until they get it.

putting a person's nose it was not my intention with the picture. I am merely revealing what some on this thread have tried to obscure. The excuses and explanation sound pretty fucking callow next to this:

 

[mad librettist]

who wants to defend dog fighting in context

who wants to defend dog fighting in context

 

[Weird]

:: KNOCK KNOCK

umm McFly

those pictures will only affect people with a empathy for life

those who don't, the ones you stand against, want to see that damage its why they fight dogs

you cant empathize with the people you seek to educate so you simply add fuel to the fire

in fact for all the people that cringe i bet someone thinks, "id like to see the fight that that made that happened"

and that's the whole point of everyone saying how a human, regardless of what he did to an animal should be demoralized and abused the same way

do you realize how fucking stupid you sound saying lets teach morality through brutality?

isn't this the dynamic being gleaned and why this exists as a means to and end in these circles

not that any one posing to "know the ghetto" (white or black) for that matter, because if you did you might realize that not everyone bred in that environment evolves to be brutal

some of us take a higher road

but please tell me how putting animals ABOVE humanity isn't as ignorant as fighting dogs

but wait who the fuck am i kidding in this place most people can hardly get along with anything other than a plant

dont worry keep growing and smoking i have faith you do the right thing one day it will all makes sense

 

[mad librettist]

:: KNOCK KNOCK

umm McFly

those pictures will only affect people with a empathy for life

those who don't, the ones you stand against, want to see that damage its why they fight dogs

you cant empathize with the people you seek to educate so you simply add fuel to the fire

in fact for all the people that cringe i bet someone thinks, "id like to see the fight that that made that happened"

and that's the whole point of everyone saying how a human, regardless of what he did to an animal should be demoralized and abused the same way

do you realize how fucking stupid you sound saying lets teach morality through brutality?

isn't this the dynamic being gleaned and why this exists as a means to and end in these circles

not that any one posing to "know the ghetto" (white or black) for that matter, because if you did you might realize that not everyone bred in that environment evolves to be brutal

some of us take a higher road

but please tell me how putting animals ABOVE humanity isn't as ignorant as fighting dogs

but wait who the fuck am i kidding in this place most people can hardly get along with anything other than a plant

dont worry keep growing and smoking i have faith you do the right thing one day it will all makes sense

people with compassion is 99% of people. the way people get around it is by not looking.

look.

I'm trying to reach those on the fence, not my opponents. I'm daring those defending the practice to do so in context and making sure they don't get away with whitewashing the issue here.

 

[Weird]

people with compassion is 99% of people. the way people get around it is by not looking.

look.

I'm trying to reach those on the fence, not my opponents. I'm daring those defending the practice to do so in context and making sure they don't get away with whitewashing the issue here.

the people on the fence aren't the ones fighting the dogs

all im suggesting is appropriate tool for appropriate job

putting people on the "defense" is the first part of building a wall and putting an obstacle in between understanding

but im sure you will fervently defend your position

its ok I understand, I had an ego once too

 

[dagnabit]

people with compassion is 99% of people. the way people get around it is by not looking.

look.

I'm trying to reach those on the fence, not my opponents. I'm daring those defending the practice to do so in context and making sure they don't get away with whitewashing the issue here.

Who has tried to defend vick's actions?

 

[nvthis]

Can't believe the OP was even deemed news worthy in the first place lol. Or 13 pages worthy in a cannabis forum...

 

[soil margin]

Maybe in his circle of fucked up friends it's ok, but no where in the USA is it remotely normal or acceptable to fight dogs.

This is flat out wrong, if you had ever lived in Detroit you would know why.

It's cool to be against dog fighting, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but don't just spew out bullshit that you know nothing about though. That's just as retarded as Vick.

 

[mad librettist]

This is flat out wrong, if you had ever lived in Detroit you would know why.

It's cool to be against dog fighting, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but don't just spew out bullshit that you know nothing about though. That's just as retarded as Vick.

there may be dog fighting going on, and people with permissive attitudes, but the vast majority of people do not participate and would not participate because dogfighting should turn your stomach.

show some survey results showing detroit supports dog fighting.

 

[mad librettist]

its ok I understand, I had an ego once too

lol ok.

(if you have to tell people you are enlightened...)

 

[ItGrows]

Who has tried to defend vick's actions?

He is equating giving a guy a second chance with defending his actions. Too blinded by rage. Poor guy.

 

[mad librettist]

He is equating giving a guy a second chance with defending his actions. Too blinded by rage. Poor guy.

no, I was referring to the people holding up the cultural context as an excuse. That is ongoing and goes beyond Michael Vick - an excuse for the next guy. It's wrong. Dog fighting is not acceptable anywhere in the US. That does not mean some people don't find it ok but the vast majority of people in the US do not think dog fighting should be allowed. Michael Vick's environment sent him plenty of signals that what he was doing was wrong. He has no "cultural ignorance" excuse.


seems like my rage allows me to see better than you think.


And no I am not an american exceptionalist. I do not have problem with cultural differences over what s food and what is pets. It's when we are talking about torture for sport that I don't believe "cultural context" is an acceptable defense.


I would have no problem with bullfighting if it were modified to eliminate picadors and allow for a true contest between a bull and a guy with a sword.


Hey, It's legal in Japan

 

[Weird]

no, I was referring to the people holding up the cultural context as an excuse. That is ongoing and goes beyond Michael Vick. It's wrong. Dog fighting is not acceptable anywhere in the US. That does not mean some people don't find it ok but the vast majority of people in the US do not think dog fighting should be allowed.


seems like my rage allows me to see better than you think.

I don't see it as an excuse to justify dogfight, but as a means to understand why mike vic would risk every thing his success afforded him on stupid illegal shit like dog fighting

he is simply saying it was so much a part of his culture it clouded his judgement but since there are alot of bad things associated with culture now that hes past it why the fuck isn't everyone else

we all have this potential to be lured into "peer" pressure and do things that perhaps we shouldn't do

dogs were meant to serve men, not the other way around and in a very real sense dogs have taught mike vic something profound indeed

 

[Weird]

http://www.japanesebugfights.com/

should i judge a people based on this?

 

[h^2 O]

http://www.japanesebugfights.com/

should i judge a people based on this?

bugs lack a higher central nervous system. But, they are living, and those bugfights ARE pretty fucked up.
------------------------

was absolutely DISGUSTED to look on live leak this morning to find a video of something called "snapper fest" in Indiana...some coverall-wearing Cletis grabs a turtle and rips it's head off. Pretty fucked up. People in general are fucked up. I say blow the whole fucking world up. Or create a virus that kills all the humans.

 

[Storm Shadow]

So why dont doggie lovers go picket with signs outside of every United States Animal Shelter...instead of wasting your time talking about Super Star Michael Vick and hating on his talents that you dont have...you could stop a mutt from being put down!! Think about it...every min you waste on the internet you could be stopping an animal from gettig lethal injection ...

TV has brainwashed many of you