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Can a 1.5m tent accommodate a single plant sitting in a 100L tank?

ILoveit

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So the plan is to setup a vertical flip flop system which powers 4 x 600W bulb connected to 2 x ballasts, so the bulbs are placed in 4 corners of the tent & only 2 x bulbs will be lit at any one time.

The only problem Im trying to figure out in my mind is the size of tent I should purchase. Im going to grow 1 x plant (tree) RDWC style & itll be vegged for max 4 weeks.
I dont know if itll get to bushy in a 1.5m tent & be burnt by the bulbs & grow into the filter, fans etc or if itll be fine.

Ive always known the bigger the tank the more roots & the roots the more zoots, so is a 100L tank ideal as a starting point? I can always upgrade the tank size & volume in future grows.

If only secret Jardin made 2m tents.

Lets here your opinions & suggestions fellas.


I forgot to mention my choice of strain will be Blues.
 
Chunkypigs

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tried it in a 4x4

tried it in a 4x4

I tried this concept with regular DWC in a 1.2 meter secret Jardin. I think it will work better in the 1.5 meter but I think a tree in a tent is less efficient than running a single 1000 bare with 2 levels of smaller plants surrounding it.

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I took the vegging plant from a 5 gallon bucket into an 18 gallon tote with 2 pumps and 4 airstones. ( it needed an airstone in the middle as well, there was some root rot up the middle of the rootmass)
honeywells at all 4 corners under the lights


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the biggest problem I had was when the plant crowded the lights.
I should have caged the lights and left them hanging lower but I raised them to prevent heat stress and the bottom half of the plant had poor budset and was later stripped off. as the buds swelled they headed to the sides of the tent so i dropped a screen down on them and dropped a single 600 into an opening in the middle for the last half of flowering.
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I think most trees that yield good roughly a 5' tall x 5' wide I'm talking abut trees that yield a kg/2.2lbs+ check Heath Robinsons trees (I assume u have as ur using his technique RDWC). They're at least 4' x 4' minimum. I don't think that you could do it in a 1.5m tent as it means a 4'x4' tree leaves just under 1' of space for the lights the lights can't be against the tent for obvious reasons so they'd have to be half a ft away from the tent walls min, leaving them half a ft away from plants.

I'm with chunky and think you'd do far better with fewer small plants or maybe one of the new 2m/sq budbox grow tents that do 't have the annoying center pole is what you need.... I think you'd be able to pull it off in there no probs

Hey chunky what did you yield from that tent?

Link to the new style tent...

http://www.growell.co.uk/titan-budbox-link-grow-tent.html

Oh btw I hope u don't mind but I had to nick this quote for my signature :D

the roots the more zoots
 
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ILoveit

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Ive decided on a 2m x 2m tent I reckon itll work better.

Shhh I cant take credit for that phrase I heard someone else say it first cant remember who. Also it goes "The more roots the more zoots" he he he.

Thanks all for the opinions.


Chunkypigs Did you top that plant? also what is the wattage of those bulbs? Where you flip flopping them?
 
Chunkypigs

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yeah it was topped and vegged under T5's 4 -600 watt bulbs, 2 MH 2 sodium, 2 ballasts, manual flip.

A 2m will give you the room you need on the sides.

what genetics will you use?
 
Chunkypigs

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Also, I think the best reason for choosing the bigger tent is having some room to get in there with your plant and move around, inspect, clean, etc. do yourself a favor and mount something to the center of the top on the inside to tie your supports to. an oven rack works well, ziptie it to the poles at the top and you have lots of points to tie your branches to when they sag or need training. I would consider at least one ring of heavy wire fence about a metre across and a metre high this will support the plant and keep the weight from bearing on the top of your tote.

also that was a 12 gallon size tote that i used. I think if you have a 100 litre container for your roots you are in good shape for a monster tree. use lots of airstones. it's tough to get access to the res once the plant is huge and tied up and you can't see so easy if they are clogged or not.

also consider the drain and propping the res so one side/corner is lower to drain well.
I was using a pump to empty multiple dwc buckets every res change and it's a pain and can spread pests around your garden.
I want to have drains on everything in the future if the plant will be too big to pick up easily for res change.
 
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ILoveit

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Chunkypigs Im thinking of using the SSH 8 week pheno but not sure if its dominantly indica or sativa Ill have to research it first.

Ill be thin wood panels at the top of the tent which will have hooks screwed in different places to tie the weighty buds & the hanging vertical lights.

I too am planning on using a pump for res & tank changes I reckon itll be ok but Ill see how it goes for the first run.

Im now considering using 400W bulbs mainly because the price of the electricity for the apartment is very expensive plus itll keep heat to a minimum.
 
catman

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Personally, I'd go with 600s on dimmable ballasts. You can always turn them down if heat becomes an issues and they provide the most light per electrical usage. You could Also, why bother with RDWC when passive hydro can almost yield as much and the odds of failure are dramatically lower. Passive hydro will also tolerate higher temperatures much better. Coco, hydrotron, perlite, and/or a mix of anyone of those and automated plant watering seems to be what people chose after a failed RDWC run. I'm in the process of cooking up something like this myself so curious to see what you decide to do and how it turns out. Good luck.
 
Billy Liar

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go for it I say,
Just make sure you know what the plant stretches like, to much and could run into space issues, play around with flowering the same plant at different heights. And of course res temps need to be around 19-20c ideally.
What strain were you thinking?
100l bottom bucket is fine, smaller would also do, I use a 60l bottom bucket, and find it just fine...
Keep masses of air going through the tent too....
I think you'l be fine...
Just ask if I could help
Peace
BL
 
ILoveit

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catman said:
Personally, I'd go with 600s on dimmable ballasts. You can always turn them down if heat becomes an issues and they provide the most light per electrical usage. You could Also, why bother with RDWC when passive hydro can almost yield as much and the odds of failure are dramatically lower. Passive hydro will also tolerate higher temperatures much better. Coco, hydrotron, perlite, and/or a mix of anyone of those and automated plant watering seems to be what people chose after a failed RDWC run. I'm in the process of cooking up something like this myself so curious to see what you decide to do and how it turns out. Good luck.
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What is a passive hydro system?
Ive become attached to RDWC simply because its so easy & requires maintenance once every 2 weeks.
Thank for the suggestion much appreciated catman.

Billy Liar said:
go for it I say,
Just make sure you know what the plant stretches like, to much and could run into space issues, play around with flowering the same plant at different heights. And of course res temps need to be around 19-20c ideally.
What strain were you thinking?
100l bottom bucket is fine, smaller would also do, I use a 60l bottom bucket, and find it just fine...
Keep masses of air going through the tent too....
I think you'l be fine...
Just ask if I could help
Peace
BL
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Ill be using SSH.

Ill be using a chiller so temps wouldnt be an issue.

I plan to use a large air pump with 4 x airstones in the plant tank.

Ive decided to go with the 114L polytank that Heath used the rectangular one, hopefully the plant wont have any issue if its submerged on one side of the tank rather than the centre.

Im aiming for a minimum 30 oz in the first run using 4 bulbs flip flopping on the corners of a 2m x 2m tent. What are your thought? I know youve done something similar to what Im planning so please feel free to give any opinions.
 
catman

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ILoveit said:
What is a passive hydro system?
Ive become attached to RDWC simply because its so easy & requires maintenance once every 2 weeks.
Thank for the suggestion much appreciated catman.
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Passive hydro means you aren't using any mechanical devices such as chillers, air pumps, water pumps etc; and you aren't using any medium with nutrients already in it.

Have you heard of hempy buckets or Bluemat auto-waterers? If not, I doubt many would suggest you begin with RDWC. That isn't to say you couldn't pull it off, but you're confused if you think RDWC requires little maintenance and is easy. I've read many RDWC journals and the vast majority end up in failure or with yeilds that were not worth the trouble. Now, I've seen some amazing results as well from amazing growers, but I could count them on one hand (I mean paw.) Billy is one of them so if you still want to try RDWC, I'd recommend reading every last one of his threads on every forums he's posted on before you even purchase any equipment.
 
ILoveit

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I understand RDWC can be troublesome without deep research but Ive been growing in RDWC for approx a year & Ive achieved 1GPW. So far its been a breeze I really enjoy this system I cant imagine growing in anything else.

Ive seen a few hempy grows I found it interesting but for me Im content with RDWC. Thanks for your words of wisdom.


catman said:
Passive hydro means you aren't using any mechanical devices such as chillers, air pumps, water pumps etc; and you aren't using any medium with nutrients already in it.

Have you heard of hempy buckets or Bluemat auto-waterers? If not, I doubt many would suggest you begin with RDWC. That isn't to say you couldn't pull it off, but you're confused if you think RDWC requires little maintenance and is easy. I've read many RDWC journals and the vast majority end up in failure or with yeilds that were not worth the trouble. Now, I've seen some amazing results as well from amazing growers, but I could count them on one hand (I mean paw.) Billy is one of them so if you still want to try RDWC, I'd recommend reading every last one of his threads on every forums he's posted on before you even purchase any equipment.
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catman

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Sounds great man. Why didn't ya say you've done this before.. :smoker:

I would love to hear the details of the RDWC systems you've ran and the wisdom you've learned from them. Have any pictures?

Secret Jardin Dark Room Pro DR240 II is 94.5"x 94.5"x 79" so 2.4 m^2

It would be sweet to see ya train the plant so you could drop a 600w in the middle of it.

Hope ya share how this run turn out and that everything goes well for ya :)
 
ILoveit

ILoveit

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I tried to imply it in post #11 but think I did a bad job.

I was considering the SJ 240 but that just wont fit in the area Ill be working in.

To be honest RDWC is just so easy once fine tuned. I just read through Heaths grows over & over until it digested & replicated his methods on a small scale now Im ready to move on to a larger grow. Sorry no pics at the moment but if everything works well Ill document my future grow.

Thanks for helping me out.

catman said:
Sounds great man. Why didn't ya say you've done this before.. :smoker:

I would love to hear the details of the RDWC systems you've ran and the wisdom you've learned from them. Have any pictures?

Secret Jardin Dark Room Pro DR240 II is 94.5"x 94.5"x 79" so 2.4 m^2

It would be sweet to see ya train the plant so you could drop a 600w in the middle of it.

Hope ya share how this run turn out and that everything goes well for ya :)
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ILoveit

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Thats one bushy tree BL, dont forget to tie the stems, Ive got a feeling the duds are going to be anvil heavy.
 
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