Brain Tumour and possible Medical strains - Help needed

[Kalbhairav]

Hi All,

Never posted in this part of ICmag before but am now on behalf of a man who is like a father to many..

Recently our friend has been diagnosed with a very large 5 inch brain tumour. I've read a few case studies where the size of brain tumours has been reduced through the use of pure THC oils etc..

My question is whether anybody else here has any knowledge, experience or like with which strains are most effective against this type of malady. Further more if anybody has any further information in regards to cannabis and brain tumours to please let me know.

The man in question will start radio therapy next week and many who are close to him are hoping for an alternative form of medicine for him to try other than the conventional course of action.

There is Sativex available but from what I've heard it's crap... If need be myself and some others will produce the necessary medicine for him to take.

Any further info would be a great help..

Thanks

 

[zymos]

There isn't that much hard evidence out there, and I think the most persuasive involved actually placing THC right on the tumor. Which is definitely not something you can do at home, or even at any hospital for that matter.

Personally (and I've done a bit of research on the matter- my son has had 2 surgeries for brain tumors, so I've given it a bit of thought), I'd be looking at ways to minimize any side effects from the radiation. Cannabis could certainly play a role in that, but is only one thing to look at.

People are probably going to say that enough "hemp oil" will heal it, and it's worth trying anyway, but also be realistic...

 

[guest86120975]

This link may be helpful, to some extent. It's worth the watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI&feature=related

 

[Kalbhairav]

There isn't that much hard evidence out there, and I think the most persuasive involved actually placing THC right on the tumor. Which is definitely not something you can do at home, or even at any hospital for that matter.

Personally (and I've done a bit of research on the matter- my son has had 2 surgeries for brain tumors, so I've given it a bit of thought), I'd be looking at ways to minimize any side effects from the radiation. Cannabis could certainly play a role in that, but is only one thing to look at.

People are probably going to say that enough "hemp oil" will heal it, and it's worth trying anyway, but also be realistic...

I'm with you on this. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much chance of surgery anyway. The tumour is directly above the motor functions and speech part of the brain. I guess minimizing is the best course of action.

Thanks for your input zymos

 

[Kalbhairav]

This link may be helpful, to some extent. It's worth the watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI&feature=related

Hey thanks maybesure, I had a look at the vid, tells you a thing or two for sure.

 

[guest86120975]

You're welcome. I believe there is something called gamma knife surgery which is surgery using radiation, that's often used on inoperable tumors in the brain.

 

[Weird]

I don't know that much about marijuana and cancer to add much value in that regard.

I know there are many testimonials and research regarding it and I am hopeful that an answer lies within.

I just came in to wish you success in the search for comfort and healing for your friend

light love and happiness to you all

 

[MIway]

Only thing that I can contribute is for you to look at high cbd strains, or perhaps look up how cbd is considered the 'medicinal' cannabinoid, but I really can't speak in depth on the values. I do know that there was a lot of interest in finding higher cbd:thc ratios for edibles... and the spoken logic was that it was more medicinal vs more psychoactive. GL bro... wishing you well.

 

[DoobieDuck]

Kalb welcome to this part of our forum, I hope you find some help and the answers you seek here. Best wishes to you your freind and his family, DD

 

[zymos]

Gamma knife, Proton Beam- there are a few types that have the advantage of being very focused to attempt to minimize damage to surround tissue.

What is your friend's situation on insurance and healthcare accessibility, Kalb? It's a sad fact that many people get steered towards certain treatments because they are cheaper or because one particular doctor has some bias towards it. Second opinions are almost a must before beginning treatment, IMO.

One of the best ways to get info these days is to look for a mailing list specifically geared towards his exact type of tumor, if possible, or the general class of tumor at least. You might find a certain hospital, Dr. or protocol has had better success than others. Get ready for a crash course in some pretty esoteric stuff, but you'll find a whole community of people with all kinds of experiences ready to help.

Best wishes, and feel free to PM or post if there's anything I can do to help- I'm far from an expert, but I've been through something similar to what you are going to be going through...

 

[Kalbhairav]

Hi All,

Thanks for supporting.

His close family of course are trying many things which are alternative routes to conventional medicine at this time. He's being taken good care of though and through the UK NHS is on a fast track system at present. Yesterday I heard from his son that they are going to try a new type of chemo medicine after the radio therapy which is especially designed for brain tumours. It apparently won't make him sick like conventional chemo. I think that remains to be seen.

As the story goes our mutual friend went to the doctor having no energy and having stomach problems. They found nothing to begin with through regular tests and sent him home. Of course his symptoms got worse and he steadily declined until he was very sick indeed. The problem with the NHS is that doctors are put under a lot of pressure form large work loads and weren't at liberty to give CAT scans etc when he needed them. He had to eventually travel to an entirely different hospital in another part of the country to get the tests. Finally they found the tumour.

He's now under heavy steroids to keep the tumour size down. He's also getting Chinese medicine treatment along with other herbal remedies. The family of course doesn't want him to go through any more pain than is necessary.

They are a family of very nice down to earth hippy folk who are handling the situation brilliantly at present. They are open to cannabis treatment but also aware that they don't want him to be under the influence of any drug more than is necessary. He says that the steroid treatment is a little like being on acid and that most of the time he isn't present in the here and now. I still would like to offer them the medicine. The only problem being is that I've just come back from working in Thailand and have no grow room at present. It would be a long process before getting some honey oil to give him anyway.

Another option has popped up recently through a dutch friend of ours and there may be help from there in him. If possible this friend has stated he might try and get some oil from Holland to the family.. We'll see..

I'll post progress here if anything arises in future.

Again thanks for the support, I'm sure he will appreciate it.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Grey Wolf's Tincture

Grey Wolf's Tincture

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=140269
Gray Wolf Knows his shit. he is a nice guy and I don't think he would mind at all if you sent him some questions

HOLY SHIT! Holy Anointing Oil from Exodus.

Hi ya’ll, please doooo try this at home because the results are beyond impressive! They are startling.

Not only does it provide psychoactive free rapid pain relief used as a topical, but switch hits sublingually to combine pain relief, with a general uplifting to the spirits and relaxing of the body.

Head effect varies from noticeable in high tolerance patients to blasted in low tolerance patients.

Body effect varies from relaxed to couch locked, depending on tolerance and dosage.

Who knows how old the recipe actually is, because the surviving recipe is from Exodus 30, verses 22-30:

22 Then the LORD said to Moses, 23 "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant cane, 24 500 shekels of cassia - all according to the sanctuary shekel - and a hin of olive oil. 25 Make these into a sacred anointing oil, a fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer. It will be the sacred anointing oil. . . .
30 "Anoint Aaron and his sons and consecrate them so they may serve me as priests."

In using the processes of the time, put cinnamon bark, cinnamon leaf, and cannabis bud in olive oil and water. Boil the water away, strain the oil, and it is ready to use

I personally discovered it on another forum, who got it from the First Church of the Magi website @ http://diversesanctuary.ning.com/page/cann...-holy-anointing

What immediately grabbed my attention as an engineer, was that if you do the math, they used about 15 ounces of land race cannabis per liter of olive oil, regardless of what else was in it. Whoa!

Sooooo, how could I resist corroborating with making a batch and checking it out. Since they were using the landrace cannabis of the time, its actual potency is of course conjecture, but there are some clues in the process that they used and the MSDS on cinnamon oil, which says that greater that a 1% solution will burn our skin.

So I ordered the cinnamon bark oil, cinnamon leaf oil, and myrhh gum instead of boiling the natural products, as well as took the lead of another engineer conducting similar experiments and used short chain coconut oil instead of olive oil.

After discussing it, we decided to use BHO to extract the cannabis oil, cook it in ethanol to decarboxylate it and cook off the remaining butane. Just before the alcohol was cooked off, we added the coconut oil and continued to cook in a 230/240F oil pot until all alcohol and water was gone.

We then weighed it, added the balance of the ingredients, heated and stirred it and bottled it.
Both of our first batches were impressive, but my fellow experimenter continues to work on oil ratios and adding Emu oil for topical only use, and it grows even more so. More on that later.

The combination of the cannabis oil and the other ingredients seems to speed up and intensify the results and the whole appears greater than the sum of the parts.

My own was as follows:

10 grams BHO Cannabis oil
3 grams Coconut oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Bark oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Leaf oil .
.7 grams Myrrh Gum

GW

 

[devilgoob]

Don't "smoke" it. Try to vape or eat.

CBD is medicinal, but I truly believe the anti-cancer is an amalgam of the 60 different terpenephenols in the plant.

Take lycopene, a lot of it......and very little cancer-fighting ability is found.

An abundance of different anti-oxidants and immune responses happen for the extract to reduce or to stop growing the tumor.

I happen to know there are limonene and caraphyl (something) that have lemon and kind of chocolate scents in cannabinoids.

I definitely am coming to back to this tread and contributing as I am good at researching and analyzing, plus I hate tumors.

 

[zymos]

Terpenes are widely found in the plant world. Any essential oil is packed full of them.
Unsure about the comment on lycopene- there is tons of literature on its anticancer effects.


I believe cannabinoids ARE at least one major part of the medicinal effects.

 

[paladin420]

Gamma Knife worked with mom's original tumors. But could not keep up with new ones. Good luck man

 

[Kalbhairav]

Wow, all good info all round..

I saw the person in question on Friday and he is looking better than he did. His speech is slow and he can't really remember names but knows who everyone is. He's not in a least bit afraid.. Very inspirational to be around someone who is now just taking it moment by moment.

There's a lot of people around him who are helping out and giving a lot of love.. Great to see..

Will update after radio therapy which I think they're going to go through with...

 

[devilgoob]

You don't get that lycopene, one crappy anti-oxidant will not help and that marijuana has an abundance of powerful ones?

A flower has them, fruit has them. Marijuana has really long-chained ones and these are more potent and there are more types of them.

So the anti-oxidants are very powerful and you get an ABUNDANCE (make an extract) of essential oils. There are over 60 cannabinoids that are powerful like this.

Reservatrol, lycopene.....

Keep taking those I guess, marijuana is the most powerful, this is why the Deptartment of Health and Human Services holds a patent on the uses of THC and CBD as an anti-oxidant, anti-neurodegenarative, anxiolytic.

So as you can see, any other plant pales in comparison to it, because it has been bred abundantly and the cannabinoids tend to either stop crappy folding of proteins, stop the NDMA neurotoxicity effects and create blood flow to different areas other than just waking state.

The gamma knife is a good thing. Cancer in little balls is good, until the ball decides it's too big, then the stages of lymph and other parts like the brain and testes are affected because the tumor breaks up a little and moves (metastasis).






THC is the main one, it triggers cell apoptsis, so is more picky in a way on which cells your body will allow to live, in this world where your DNA is constantly challenged by chemicals.

 

[headband 707]

Yeah this is going to be a hard one if he is in a hospital this will be the worst place for him to be unfortunately. The more you know about hospitals the worse off you are ,really. Yes cannabis does or has been known to shrink tumors which is why this whole thing is such a farc. Sativex is not effective for tumor it's more an MS thing and even then that is questionable. The research is there but you need to follow the right perameter . I might look under Harvard Univercities more recent studies and see what they have. peace out Headband707

 

[zymos]

You don't get that lycopene, one crappy anti-oxidant will not help and that marijuana has an abundance of powerful ones?

A flower has them, fruit has them. Marijuana has really long-chained ones and these are more potent and there are more types of them.

So the anti-oxidants are very powerful and you get an ABUNDANCE (make an extract) of essential oils. There are over 60 cannabinoids that are powerful like this.

Reservatrol, lycopene.....

Keep taking those I guess, marijuana is the most powerful, this is why the Deptartment of Health and Human Services holds a patent on the uses of THC and CBD as an anti-oxidant, anti-neurodegenarative, anxiolytic.

So as you can see, any other plant pales in comparison to it, because it has been bred abundantly and the cannabinoids tend to either stop crappy folding of proteins, stop the NDMA neurotoxicity effects and create blood flow to different areas other than just waking state.

The gamma knife is a good thing. Cancer in little balls is good, until the ball decides it's too big, then the stages of lymph and other parts like the brain and testes are affected because the tumor breaks up a little and moves (metastasis).






THC is the main one, it triggers cell apoptsis, so is more picky in a way on which cells your body will allow to live, in this world where your DNA is constantly challenged by chemicals.

Sorry- there's probably some good info in there, but it's all garbled-

First you started of by saying that the anticancer effects from marijuana are from its terpenes such as limonene, which is one of the smallest terpenes chemically possible, then you say that mj is better than every other plant because it has long chain terpenes, then you say that lycopene, which IS a long chain terpene, is a "crappy antioxidant"?

My point is mj is just one source of terpenes, and that it's the cannabinoids that make it unique.

I really disagree about the "cancer in little balls is good" statement also. One of the things that most frequently triggers metastasis is actually surgery- many tumors just stay in one location until they are disturbed, THEN they metastasize. BTW, the gamma knife has nothing to do with knives or surgery- it's just a form of targeted radiation. And while radiation is sometimes the only hope, it has plenty of it's own problems as well.

 

[wco68]

If you get a chance Google Rick someone a run for the cure.what I have read mj healing form is all in the oil. Best of luck to your freind .