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stihgnobevoli

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started...continued a newer grow, got 5 juanita(lowland oaxacan bagseed) mom +4 clones this thing loves the spidermites or rather spidermites love it. A random bagseed i started a while ago i cant remember which one it is though i think maybe one of those 2 seeds i called thunder in the last thread. i didnt really care too much about this plant in the past cuz i had bigger shit to worry about like strange creatures in my water, root rot and ppm and pH and shit like that. But after i finished smoking all the zombie kush(mishaf3xkush); who's clones never took, i mean some rooted but never took off or i broke their roots, let em dry out, shit like that. i was kinda sad cuz despite the bland kush taste it was actually pretty stony, better than any kush i ever smoked anyway. but i was outta weed and was in need of a smoke so i chopped part of one of the top buds off and i smoked it with a quick microwave drying and kapow, like someone punched me in the head, fuckin lights out. i was so wasted i couldn't believe it good thing it was night time lol. so i ended up chopping the whole top off which was a dense nugget in itself (sprouting nanners from when i switched the lights from 10.5/13.5 to 12/12 like 4 weeks in flower) i topped it right before i put it in the box and it grew 3 little colas all so close together they forced themselves to grow out from the middle at a 30 degree angle almost sideways. wish i had taken a pic, needless to say i needed to save this so im gonna let the lower branches (2 nodes lol) grow out some more then ill reveg and clone.

next up i got the juanitaXkush cross i made (SSK, super silver kush from when i thought juanita might be ssh) this one started in my veg/clone box 24/0 pretty short and dark leaves looks very indica its in soil cup im just sitting it on top of hydro tub till i sort out the new small res so i can grow all the plants together in the same box.

then lastly we have a male random indica bagseed, i dont remember what seeds this plant came from might have been some seeds i found in whatever i was high on at the time. anyway i was sure this would be a girl but once i got the roots situation sorted with my res it exploded in growth, i left town for the weekend and the calyxes i thought might be developing on friday were balls by monday.
i have a theory im going to be working on this grow too which is why i need to get my new res built. i think that the plants sex themselves by sensing the sex of the other plants around them. i put this seedling in with all girls and it turned male. so now im going to try 1 plant at a time in different environments.

ill grow all girls and add 1 plant at a time and note the sex, i expect them to all turn boy or hermy.
then i will try 1:1:1 1 male, 1 female and 1 young seedling and note the results. i expect they will probably be 50:50 but vary depending on how viable the males, or females are in comparison. for example i expect this seedling i put in(SSK) to either turn female because there are already 3 other girls in there or become a bigger faster male than the one already in there so that it can pass its more dominant genes, in which case i will take pollen and kill the first. i figure this will have a 2 fold effect, strong genes to pass on/cross, and quick girls to cross. win:win.

next i will try multiple males and adding 1 seedling at a time i expect all the seedlings to either go female or hermy. strong fast girls to cross, hermies to weed out, and if its the former i will have proven how to always get girls.

i will also be testing out hempy buckets for the first(second) time unless you count my perlite cloner which is just a wicking system cloner based on just perlite in a bowl with plain water in the bottom. perlite naturally holds moisture and wicks it upward, and as the water in the bottom evaporates and is wicked up by the perlite it keeps the roots as well as all the perlite above it moist. worked so well that in 2 weeks the 2 little baby clones i took from juanita had grown roots all the way down and were dying from no food.
and when i say baby clones i mean like little tiny thin shoots from the mom in the red cup the stems themselves were thinner than the initial taproot on a seedling, they were about as thick as the stem on a baby leaf. i just threw em in there on a lark and to test the cloner. if these sprout in there anything should root in it.
im still working on starting seeds in there, theres a zone where they are not too moist and drown and arent too dry and die out. i managed to sprout one sasha seed (i cant find any of my f1 or f2, only f3's :( sadface) and it did pretty well till i transplanted it into the DWC and it dried out cuz the bubbles didnt keep it as moist as i thought. i shoulda refilled the rez then and there instead of oversleeping in the morning and missing lights on. doubly bad since im running out of seeds, gotta find that cinnamon pheno.

ill also be testing a hot resoviour in a hot box with no bleach, nothing against the guys who told me to use it in my res but everytime i add some to my res it kills my roots off. i havent changed my res out in like 2+ weeks, last time was 3+ weeks i added bleach when i changed the res after the 3+ weeks and bam roots dying within 24-48 hours. this last 2+ weeks summertime has come on full force and its been hot as satans balls in here, roots taking off so much that the unknown male tripled in size over 1 week. im just gonna keep the res how its been, the little critters are still in there, they seem to be helping in some way, the ph always comes back to right around 6ish no matter how long i leave it or how often i lower it. i lowered it to like 5 one day and by the next evening it was 6.5, i left it alone for 2 weeks i ph last night and its right around 6. no issues evident in the plants, in fact theyre doing super awesome. temps in the plant area are like mid 80's, up top as high at 103 res is like between 76-78 degrees in fact so i dont lie to you im gonna go use my digital thermometer to check it right now...

92 up top, 88 in the plant area, 81 in the res. no bleach in there not worrying bout ice, everything is awesome in there for a change, all i do is monitor the PPM. i was worrying about that thing for a while cuz it seemed like a waste of money, but now i've found a use for it. i monitor the ppms and when they drop to like 600 i mix a new solution and top it off. till then i add back plain water and watch the ppms, once in a while i check the pH usually comes out 6ish which is why i stopped checking so much.

lastly im gonna get some mychorrizae(sp?) and use it in my soil grows and later in my hydro, its called hydrobact, says its for hydro and soil.

whew, i totally didnt mean for this to be this long.
tits below.

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juanita mom on left hempy clones on right. 4x23 wattcfl actually i think they might only be 13 watts, yep 13 watt. 52 watts total veg box for now.

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the flower box, labeled for your convenience. 70w hps, no carbon filter for now, working on a new design thats both stealth and efficient.
 

stihgnobevoli

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week 2.

added back plain water, added nutes at 1/2 str to bring ppm back to ~950, checked ph still at 6. roots still fine plants still growing. not much to report, seedling still hasn't shown sex.
current temps at the top are 96, in grow zone 90 or so res water at 77 or so.

in the other box plants are fine, roots spreading in the doublepotted mom to the bottom pot. the hempy plants are taking up nutes. got a couple of spiders in there garden spiders, they should kill any critters that come around.

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i wish i could drag and drop the thumbnails like in firefox...
 
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stihgnobevoli

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well that plant turned out male, so it was un deterred by the male presence in the cab and did not go female as i anticipated.
I defoliated the other male that was in there already and it grew back almost all leaves and flowers in less than a week. i think i chopped that plant up on wed or thursday and its recovered in 4 days.
res still going, was cool past 3 days so no worries in the cab. i think it was 75 degrees at the top of the box yesterday before i went to sleep.
cracked 2 more seeds friday, gonna be cracking 2 seeds every friday to rotate into my experiment. most likely all sasha since i need to preserve that line.
the hempy cups are doing ok in the other box, but i need to make bigger pots these plants dont seem to like the cups or maybe im feeding too often. leaves are all weird looking and the stems are purpling. very different under cfl than under hps and sunlight.

till next week.

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few days later...as in today.
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baby male seedling. prolly keep the pollen since it stayed so short even after the flip to flower. like virtually no stretch, and i predict a strong root system.
 

stihgnobevoli

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week 4.

ive gotten rig of the 2 males and transplanted the one in the beer cup to a juice container, like 1 quart sized after i cut off the top. i took 2 of the foxtailing buds from the other plant i still havent named and stripped the buds and leaves off in a clone attempt. i also polinated the lower buds with some pollen from the fast male so i can have some seeds if the clone thing doesnt work out.
the hempy cups dry out too fast and as a result i will be transplanting them to the juice containers as well, and maybe going up to 3 inches for the reservoir and figuring out a way to retain more moisture. i don't have any vermiculite on hand and i know it should work fine with just perlite as thats what hempy said in one of those threads. my box just has too much heat and or airflow and dries out the top couple inches too fast.

the mom is exploded and it stays short in veg so now its a bush due to all the toppings. ill prolly flower it out next run. i got plenty of clones. i also pollinated the one in the beercup with the fast male and i pollinated the hydro plant with the SSK male.



ahhhh i so missed dragging and dropping my pics into my posts, i thought i would be stuck with forever copy and pasting links to the large pics forever. im moving back to firefox i think, chrome is still too new.

oh wait i forgot to tell you about my babies. they are both sasha f3's (sasha#2xblueberry?) i can't for the life of me remember what happened to all my sasha seeds, i only have the f3's left which are actually f1's. if you store your seeds in the little baggies the weed came from do yourself a favor and write on a paper sticker then put the paper sticker on the bag. cuz permanent markers rub off on plastic baggies. i think this is reason i can't find my f1's because the names on the baggies rubbed off. the seeds have a distinctive light tan color to them. slight faint mottling and chipmunk stripes running vertically along the seed. i see some in other baggies that look just like them but theres nothing written on the baggy.
 
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stihgnobevoli

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week 5.
transplanted the hempy to larger containers, juice bottles. still havent rooted my clones they may not root i think i took em too late into flower. as a backup i have seeded up the rest of that plant and hopefully they take.

in the res you can see the roots on the left plant are nice and health the one on the right are brown, they arent slimy just brown and dying, i think maybe they naturally died back as ive taken from the top. as above so below. the plant still grows and thrives and i hope it finishes making me seeds, but i can't help but sense a slow death.

i got my 2 sasha seedlings that sprouted last week, or the week before that i can't remember. they're going strong, one hempy one soil. the soil one is much bigger then the hempy. shit the hempy doesnt appear to be doing much of shit. can you start and end a sentence with shit?

anyway everything is still good, im going out of town for a week soon. hopefully the seedlings are old enough to be transplanted into a larger pot before i leave, the rest will be fine without water for a week if i turn off my circulation fan in the veg box and cut back to just one light.
im starting to see seeds develop on the soil juanita (lowland Oaxacan sativa) i havent checked the hydro juanita yet but its exploded since last week and its draining the shit out of the res. i have to add back half the tank every week now.thats 1.5 gallons.

i started an old school seed project, so far nothing. i've soaked 5 seeds last week, and planted em in pots, then gave em a few days, nothing, so i soaked 5 more and i just planted those into the pots i put the other seeds in. this way eventually if something does sprout from one of the old seeds, or one of the new seeds ill be ready.
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Sgt.Stedenko

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Those roots look like week 1, not week 5.
You've got issues with your res. What's the brown stuff in the bottom?
 

stihgnobevoli

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i had to leave town for a week... turned into a month. all my plants died except some of the juanita clones. lost all my seeds and shit i was making :(

anyway keep an eye out for my next thread, ill be growing out my first "bought seeds" and comparing them to the bagseed i been growin since forever to see if it was worth it.
 

stihgnobevoli

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alright im back.
rather than make another thread and since my hempy plants and the 3rd juanita in soil still live ill just continue here. same setups.

ok i made a thread a while back asking about the freebies people talk about, i thought it was like the old days of johnny weed seed (anyone remember that guy?) supposedly you mail a self stamped envelope and $1 and this guy will send you some seeds. coulda been a scam i dunno, but anyway i thought freebies would be free to me, not that i buy something first. not really free imho. but anyway some people heard my (crying?) thoughts on the matter and between gypsy himself and another member on here who i wont name cuz you not supposed to send stuff to each other.

someone sent me some seeds the quantity of which i cannot be assured of since my safe addy is a 3rd party, but whatever some issues later and i ended up with a pack of G13-IX backcross/incross of the Pacifics G13. Im guessing Gypsy since there were multiple packs, but it could have been that other guy too. at any rate.

THANK YOU!

i also got 2 more random bagseeds that popped, 1 is from the latest brick pack which is really pretty good and has a fruity exhale. the other is from some older brickpack water cured. I also have 10 seeds i put in soil that have yet to pop. its part of my Old School Seeds grow. trying to germ some old school genetics from some bagseeds i've had since at least 98 and as early as 95. i found 1 dead seedling from the 5 i put in soil before i had to leave town. that would have been 1/15 or so i tried to sprout. im hoping i can get another one to pop out of these 10 as im running out of seeds.

This time i will be doing all soil and the 2 hempy plants i already had which i have switched to flower already. While i want to get the DWC back in action i just dont have the room and since ill be cloning and crossing the G13 and my OSS(old school seeds) ill need all the space i can get.





top: flavor of the week, some sour Diez, god im tired of it already, before that all you could get was some sort of anonymous kush. bottom: my preference the brick pack of the day. tastes fruity on the exhale, smooth smoke seems somewhat cured, and hasn't been beasted. ill be growing a seed from this.







G13: a, b and c this is like 36 hours after i put them in soil. no fancy anything no paper towels no soaking. just old school put the seeds in the dirt. im not doing anything special for this grow, these plants are gonna be subject to the same torture the rest of my plants normally suffer. if people are paying money for seeds i figure they should be better than the ones you get for free. in some way.
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this is the whole gang. G13 on the left a,b, and c. the 2 Bagseed in the middle top is the old brick, the bottom is the new brick. on the right side are the old school seeds of which none have popped thus far.

ill update again later in the week, or like a week from now, then like once a week after, like i usually do.
 
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stihgnobevoli

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i updated my other thread may as well post some more pics here too.
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day 3 above soil this is. i think. yeah.

decided to check the flower cab water the hempy, they're coming along gotta decide if im gonna let em grow like that or top em. the pots or whatever torture they endured under the care of my caretaker while i was out of town, seem to be limiting the height, we'll see what happens.


while i was checking the one in soil which was already in flower seeded up with the fast male from the last grow i saw this.

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one of the immature white seeds this plant is full of that i buried just to see if something would come up, actually came up. hope its a girl.
 
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stihgnobevoli

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ok just about 1 week tomorrow since i started posting pictures of the seedlings. they actually came up like a week ago yesterday. anyway, nothing to report much of course. seedling stage 1 week in. the G13 is very fast compared to the rest. they all about came above soil the same day, 8 hours between first and last.
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1 of the G13 which shall be referred to as G13a from henceforth is shining, the other 2 which i shall refer to as
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G13b and
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G13c
came above ground a few hours after the first one, but then they stopped doing anything. then i noticed that the leeeetle tiiiiny baby leafs were burned? the tips shriveled and died out. just a pair of cotyledons. im gonna say it was prolly down to genetics, but theres a small chance its because i accidentally gave them some water with ferts once. but i doubt that would cause this as i have started seeds in hot mix and had them survive better and longer than these. BUT, i won't rule it out. G13b has started to recover and i see leetle teeny leaves sprouting again. this one is automagically 2 weeks behind now. G13c still just cotyledons, well really 1 and a half... its all bad. but we shall see.
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The rest of the seedlings are fine.
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remember this one, in the soil with the Juanita?
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well it had a sibling, which is like super astonishing since these were immature white seeds
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from a plant i pollinated then left to practically die for a month on plain water and inexperienced hands. and i end up with 2 sprouts from a couple of seeds that fell to the soil and i decided to use as aeration for my soil by burying them. i transplanted both of those to soil, gonna grow em the whole way in these juice containers.
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as for the old school seeds, only 1 popped out of that tray, im gonna put some more on tonight or tomorrow. i have like 30 seeds left of them, series 1. i have another baggy with like 80 seeds in them which are not quite as old as the old school seeds, but couldnt be later than 2003-4. so when i finish series one i may move on to series 2, or go back to working on my sasha.
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the hempy plants (juanita) are still going flipped to flower like a week ago. gonna train for now maybe they wont stretch that much this time since theyre from clone and in hempy, small hempys. if it comes down to it ill chop these bitches to hell to keep em under control.
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i also hope to get better buds than these (fuckin spidermites), this time around. no bugs or issues so far. wishes myself luck.
 
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GDB

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Hey man I hate to break it to you but that one is a terrible bagseed pheno it is absolutely worthless for breeding or smoking purposes. You really want a "true" finisher (even with sativa) and especially with indica plants. The pheno that just continues to flower like that is absolutely a problematic trait. Whether or not it attributes to auto flowering in breeding is another question however.




The smoke is non-impressive, unremarkable really. What you see is a twig that literally kept flowering even after being fully chopped. I then seeded this with some decent pollen (close cousin) and the main output was auto flowering and hermies.
 
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