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[Zarezhu]

Hey guys whats good,

Little background on me; I'm a young man with a hell of a lot of ambition (maybe due to my brothers being successful engineers and me being a stoner ftw), and I'm getting to the point where I can take my pot to the next level.

I've had a few 2000w indoor grows (an apartment I had last year, it was a great learning experience if you know what I mean haha). Doing my first outdoor grow right now, which is actually doing as good as it can be.

Out of my 6 outdoor plants, I'm hoping for roughly 15 pounds of quality outdoor organic california bud.

That leads to my next project. My buddy (we grow the outdoor at his house, has decent land) is trying to get an indoor room setup, and he asked me to go halves with him. HELL YES!

8000w shed to be constructed. Maybe this aint a big deal to some people, but for me, this is such a huge opportunity that I'm very grateful for. I'm gonna kill it.

Between us, we have maybe 6-7 1000w ballasts, 4 or 5 random hoods and even a few cool tubes. Fans and such. Good start already.

Gonna document the whole thing here, and hopefully get as much insight/questions/comments as I can.

Gotta run to work, I'll update soon.

1) Is a 6" vortex capable of cooling 4 1000w's in aircooled hoods well enough to not need a massive AC? Given that there will be two rows of 4 bulbs, and each row will be given a dedicated inline fan. It will be drawing air from outside, through the hoods, and back outside. All in one straight line (no kinks) to keep it as efficient as possible.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

i only run two 1kw hoods on a 6in but i think you could put more if its in straight line....whats the sq footage because im only running 4 lights in approx 10x10 and air cooled is definately not enough to keep room temps lower if outside temps are above 90....i would say if you are building the shed build it big enogh to house 20 lights and just start with 8 now and fill it up later, or have a seperate area for a veg room.... buy all equipment overkill so drop a 5ton in that bitch, dont spend your grow profits on things like watches or toys just yet...reinvest that money back into the room and streamline things, having random hoods and ballasts will mess up the flow of things imo, a 10-20kw setup can be done cheaply but after a few runs you are gonna want to upgrade trust me...also are you going sealed or intake/exhaust? im running i/e now but hoping to run sealed soon....although im still deciding because sealed means you gotta run higher temps with that c02 boost...


lets see some pics of those outdoor plants what size pots you running them in and what strain...

 

[Zarezhu]

Hey man! I've seen you around all over the place, I'm pretty sure you might have even posted on my OD thread (I haven't updated in a WHILE however).

Here's my outdoor babies. This picture was taken roughly 3 weeks ago. Only in 150 gallon pots, and on 6-7 ft centers. The massive strains I have growing are all over the fence already (round 8 feet tall). Gotta love this August stretch :]



Out of my six plants, I have a Bubblegum, NYCD, Purple Trainwreck x Hashplant, Purple x Northern Lights, and 2 Alaskan Thunderfucks.

The Bubblegum started off most robust and was ahead of the rest by far, but I guess she's not built to be a massive plant; doesn't grow tall enough and the leaves are too fat. Should have MASSIVE colas however as the stems are just FAT.

NYCD is gonna be a HUGE yielder, and a lot of my friends swear by it. Ridiculously potent. Last year, my buddy got 5# off her on 5 foot centers in unamended dirt and some EJ bloom.

Purple Trash was the most robust from the beginning. No problems with her whatsoever at all, love the structure and the vigor. She's also an early flowering plant, hopefully have colas being cut by the end of september.

Nl x Purple. Yeahh buddy. Definitely my smallest plant. It's the closest in the picture and to the left. Never grew vigorously, just grows real tight nodes that have a very citrusy smell to them. Strange enough it's got pink pistils as well. Hopefully this lady comes out as dank as I pray for hahaha.

And my last 2 are ATFs! This is the true alaskan thunderfuck clone, which is why I had to run two. Biggest plant in the garden (shot ahead of the purple trash during stretch). Most resinous plant I have seen grown, and some DANK smoke. Never seen it ran outdoors, but so far, I'm loving it.



Hahaha, I'm off of that tangent now. Yeah I was also worried about a 6" not being enough.

Shed will be roughly 10 x 16, so 160 sq feet. Just enough for 8 lights with a 2 ft walkway in the middle.

Big thing that"s on my side is that this is going to be thrown up for a few winter harvests. Don't have to deal with the 100~ degree sacramento weather we have. This has always been my biggest problem growing indoor, all the damn summer heat.

I would love to make it a 20 light shed, but this isn't my land, and it's his decision. He's fairly old and stubborn, and me being young, it's very hard for him to take advice from me hahah.

That's all this outdoor grow is gonna be for! Original plans are to do a 99 plant outdoor in Willits (already have land) or Yuba city with all the profits from this grow, but I would need to dedicate a year of my life away from everything else. Who knows, it could still happen ;]

I agree on the hoods and ballasts thing as well. Just I wouldn't be able to convince the old man to spend $1500 on 8 new hoods and another $1500 on 8 new ballasts when we already have what it takes to grow some dank pot.

It's gonna be intake/exhaust. Again, if it were my shed, I'd do it 100% my way and set it up right one time with a fat co2 burner, a few Santa fe dehueys, and the best AC money can buy, and just kill it time after time. This room is gonna be lower budget though, until I get my own place that is (hopefully, after a few of these harvests, I'll be able to do it all myself on my own terms at my own place).

Have all 8 lights drawing air from outside and pulling it through the hoods and exhausting back outside. Run a 12" inline (1000+ cfm) for an intake. Mount it on the ground, pulling cold air from the outside floor. Possibly run lights at night to keep it COOL without needing to run an AC at all.

The way I figure it is.. we should DEFINITELY be able to pull a pound a light. @ 8 pounds per harvest, 4 goes to me. Would have to front a few months electricity from that harvest to make it through next harvest. Let's take a pound off. Make it 3 pounds every 2 months for myself, and 3 for him. With that kind of income, I should definitely be able to throw up my own shed. :]]


LOL @ my long ass post

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea for intake/exhaust i would run 1 fan for each 4 lights....maybe a 6" would cut it i would have to ask around about that....aircool those hoods will help bring down temps...but if its 100 degrees outside you might have to shut down a light or two...


another option is only run 2-3 lights on each side but use light movers...i just saw some lightmovers in action for the first time last night and im about to put one in my room...also run another one verticle down the middle walkway to get more light to those lower nugs...

run those lights at night and get that cold air sucked in...maybe even dual intakes parallel to eachother with the cold air blowing directly over the line of lights....with a 14 or something for exhaust on the opposite side of the intakes...

 

[EastCoastMeds]

I'd run 8" fans to cool each bank of lights. Going with the larger fans will def cut down on your need for AC. Which you will still need, but its always cheaper to run fans compared to AC.

Your outdoor ladies look very healthy and bushy! Nice!!!

 

[Zarezhu]

It'd definitely be nice to get an 8" hooked up to a straight line of fans, they push quite a bit more air.

I just dont know how I feel about using an 8" to 6" duct reducer for the fans as every hood I have is a 6" hood. I have bad experiences with them damn duct reducers.

I've been thinking, since the shed's to be thrown up around october (using it as a drying shed for all our outdoor before we fill it with lights), an ac might even be obsolete. Even in summer time we have nights with a low of around 55, and with a fan blowing 1000cfm of 55 degree air inside a shed with 8 aircooled lights, temperature should stay in check, no? Lights on around 8pm, off at 8am. Winter time temps here in california should reach 75/50 in october and 55/40 in january. Seems like it would be such a waste of electricity to run an ac when you could pull in 45-50 degree air at 1000cfm.

Just tryna get a few indoor harvests before summer rolls around and I'm doing another outdoor, saving up my money so I can build my own grow room, a much bigger grow room ;].

The most exciting part is that all we need to do is build the shed and get it wired. 90% of the equipment we already have. To top it off, my partners brother is a carpenter/electrician by trade. Can't get much better.

Was wanting to have the 12" intake on a controller that turns it on when the room hits 80 degrees, and off when it cools down to 76-77. However, the room wont be getting fresh air exchange unless the fan is blowing. Might use a 6" inline running 24/7, bringing in fresh air, and then have the 12" set to cool when the room needs it. This seems like the best choice as it would keep temperatures from fluctuating too much.

Would I be fine with an active intake and a passive exhaust? Or would it be better to use my 12" fan as an exhaust and have a passive intake? Or even have it as an exhaust and have a 6" intake? Keeping in my I wanna keep it as simple as possible, yet still have it be effective.

Prop215, we actually already own 2 light rails. They're definitely something else. Personally I feel like they're best for veg though. You definitely notice smaller buds come harvest, even though you have a much bigger surface area that gets light with the mover. Want to set up a light mover in our veg tent, just to make it easier to get enough clones for an 8 light set up.

East coast, thanks for the compliments! I just watered the ladies tonight, and I 've got resinous colas starting to form all over the place. They're towering over that blue tarp now, this august stretch has been INCREDIBLE.

 

[banana buds]

hope this helps, i'm building some similar size rooms to what you're talking about. we're doing ac, and if you're doing a shed i would REALLY recommend going with a mini split. its insanely easy to do, as long as you follow instructions properly. we've got a 24k btu mini split that cost $1100 to our door. i handled the entire install myself after picking up a vacuum pump and manifold gauges, and the thing is blowing so cold that i have to turn it down/off when i'm working in the room right nwo with teh lights off because it gets freezing ass cold. for the flower rooms im in the middle of building, we're doing 6x 1kw light air cooled in banks of two - one 8" HO can fan per two lights. this ends up meaning that we've got about 350cfm of air cooling plus 4000btu of ac capacity per light.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

bananabuds do you have more info on that mini split..im in the market for one and even though excel air is top of the line 5500 is a little much to shell out right now for their 3 ton stealth unit..

zare- interesting point about the light rails....luckily my friend is doing the light rail over a 4x6 approx area so i will be able to get feedback from him if his colas are smaller....even if they are a little smaller the overall yeild from that 1kw worth of power might be more...


also not sure how long you have been up in mendo or familiar with the cities..but i dont hear too much good things about Willits apparently they get flown pretty tough and most of the drivers coming down from humbolt always pay attention when passing through there because the cops know whats up....willits gives me the impression of a family town with all the schools and whatnot..not like laytonville or garberville where theres no kids running around everywhere...not saying to not grow at all, but doing 99 in willits might be kinda risky just heads up....mendo county limits are only 25 per parcel unless you pay for the zipties and sign the very incriminating paperwork where they can come search your property at any time...

 

[dtfsux]

fuck partners. You already said it, he is old and stuborn and wont listen to you. This may just be your opinion as you admitted you are young. Either way there is a difference in opinion and the project hasn't even started.

Two words " Fuck Partners" Been there done that. you expect 3 pounds, then just make that your cut, you are guaranteed 3# no matter what. He fucks up, he owes you 3# or the equivalent in $$

Manifold design for air cooling the hoods. The more air the better. I have used 10-12" for 4kw. Maybe a tad overkill but it does not cost much more to buy and install. You also dont need a reducer for every hood

 

[Zarezhu]

banana- @1100 for a minisplit, thats not bad at all. Once I have the last penny it takes for me to venture out on my own and construct my own setup, that's definitely the way I'll be doing it (if not a 5 ton).

Seems like your setup is foolproof. 8" per 2 lights plus plenty of ac if it's needed, can't get much better :]

yes4prop215- Thanks for the bit of info about willits. I actually took a look at the land that we have there, and it's not even suitable for growing marijuana. If I plan on doing it as large as I can next year, it'll most likely either be on an acre in the middle of a 500 acre peach farm, or on a few acres here near Sac.


dtf- Amen to the whole "fuck partners" rant bro. The second I have the finances to have my own place and throw up my own grow room, the correct way, and to my liking, I'm doing it. If anybody's gonna mess my grow up, it'll be me, and if anybody is gonna reap the benefits of my successful grow, it'll also be me. Do you think you could explain what you mean by the whole 12" for 4 lights via manifold? I'd much rather have 2 12" fans exhausting hoods than a 6" or 8" for every 2 hoods.

Lucky for me, he's letting me run the whole shed myself. He knows not one thing about indoor growing as he's only done outdoor, and he's entrusted me with the space and his share of the money. I'll have to keep the budget in mind, but every dime I make from my 4 of the 8 lights, is going straight into my piggy bank. Once I make the last dime I need to throw up a sealed room with 8 lights of my own, possibly even on a flip flop, it's getting done.

 

[Marshall]

air enters at one corner, and leaves the opposite corner. Air flow is balanced because no matter which hoods the air goes through, it is the same distance and the same amount of turns.

Ignore the arrows, they show entrance/exit points, not air flow. All the air travels in one direction, top left to bottom right in this case

I used a 10" fan in the setup below

At the front you can see the 90 going into the ceiling, and in the back corner it pulled air from the crawl space. It doesnt matter where you pull from as long as it is opposite corners.

Ignore the wye and filter to the right, that was for something else, venting hot room air into the house during winter

 

[Zarezhu]

So you efficiently aircooled 4 1000s with a 10" fan and the manifold? Sounds very nice. Don't you think it'd be much better however to run straight pipes from the manifold box to the hoods? Seems to me like the sagging ducting greatly reduces the efficiency of the fan as airflow isn't so much a "straight shot" but up and down and up and down. Would also help keep fan noise down if it doesn't have to run through all the ridges in the ducting. The only downside I can see to this is that you wouldnt be able to put the lights on yoyo's so your clones would all have to be uniform and the right height.

So the box on the far side of the room had one side with an intake, and the 90 you have up front is on the opposite side of the room, with an exhaust into the attic correct? I'm loving this whole idea, thank you for the help.