Can cops randomly search people?

[thefatman]

They can pat down anyone they have detained but are not allowed to put their hands inside your pockets unless their pat down strongly indicates that you are likely carrying a weapon. They can not make you empty your pockets or any container or bag you are carrying. If the think they have probable cause to search you further do to the pat down or due to smelling drugs etc. they can detain you while seeking a search warrant from a judge.

In reality they can not even ask you to give them your ID or drivers license. The laws state you must present for viewing ID or drivers license, registration and insurance if you opearting a motor vehicle. It does not say you must relinquish for possession by a police officer such papers, xards etc. Your handing it to them means you agree to an act they can not require of you. By doing so with your act of consent they are legally taking you hostage.

If you "volunteer" i.e. give permission for the officer to do something they ask you to do which they have no legal right to do then you can not complain as you relinquish your rights by "volunteering" to give up your rights upon request. Ignorance of the law gets most people busted. A police officer can not search your automobile just because a trained dog indicates your car contains drugs unless that testing is done at a border. Otherwise the dog indicating your auto contains drugs only gives them probable cause to seek a search warrant. Yada, yada yada....

If your on parole or probation it usually means one of the conditions of that parole or probation is that you can be searched at any time when requested by or approved by your parole/probation officer. It does not give a police officer the right to search you without the parole/probation officers direction or permission. It also means any vehicle your in can be searched with the parole/probation officers request or permission. These searches do not require a search warrant or any reason/cause if your on parole or probation if it is a condition of your parole/probation. It nearly always a condition of parole/probation..

 

[Classy@Home]

They can pat down anyone they have detained but are not allowed to put their hands inside your pockets unless their pat down strongly indicates that you are likely carrying a weapon. They can not make you empty your pockets or any container or bag you are carrying. If the think they have probable cause to search you further do to the pat down or due to smelling drugs etc. they can detain you while seeking a search warrant from a judge.

In reality they can not even ask you to give them your ID or drivers license. The laws state you must present for viewing ID or drivers license, registration and insurance if you opearting a motor vehicle. It does not say you must relinquish for possession by a police officer such papers, xards etc. Your handing it to them means you agree to an act they can not require of you. By doing so with your act of consent they are legally taking you hostage.

If you "volunteer" i.e. give permission for the officer to do something they ask you to do which they have no legal right to do then you can not complain as you relinquish your rights by "volunteering" to give up your rights upon request. Ignorance of the law gets most people busted. A police officer can not search your automobile just because a trained dog indicates your car contains drugs unless that testing is done at a border. Otherwise the dog indicating your auto contains drugs only gives them probable cause to seek a search warrant. Yada, yada yada....

If your on parole or probation it usually means one of the conditions of that parole or probation is that you can be searched at any time when requested by or approved by your parole/probation officer. It does not give a police officer the right to search you without the parole/probation officers direction or permission. It also means any vehicle your in can be searched with the parole/probation officers request or permission. These searches do not require a search warrant or any reason/cause if your on parole or probation if it is a condition of your parole/probation. It nearly always a condition of parole/probation..

They know the law, they break the law, and use our ignorance of the law to abuse us. They perjure, coerce, assault, do drugs, steal drugs and money, drink and drive, master spousal abuse, and fortunately have a very high suicide rate...

leo suk cawk...

Ask their ex-wives, the kids they see every 2nd weekend, and the string of girlfriends that they eventually drive away by getting drunk every nite, not being able to get it up much, and pissing themselves while asleep.

Karma is a bitch - especially when she sits on the end of their old service revolver while they stick it in their mouths and pull the trigger...

Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!

 

[paladin420]

What a nice picture. I just add one of my forfieted(sp) guns in his or her CawxSuker

BOOM

 

[h^2 O]

here a few months ago some cop pulled over a car full of kids bowling the car...he made them get out of the car and searched them, found crack on one kid. Judge ended up throwing it all out because the cop had no right to pull them over since cannabis is decriminalized here.

 

[GrassRoots]

bowling the car

Bowling the car? Smoking a bowl in the car? Just never heard that term.

 

[kmk420kali]

If your on parole or probation it usually means one of the conditions of that parole or probation is that you can be searched at any time when requested by or approved by your parole/probation officer. It does not give a police officer the right to search you without the parole/probation officers direction or permission. It also means any vehicle your in can be searched with the parole/probation officers request or permission. These searches do not require a search warrant or any reason/cause if your on parole or probation if it is a condition of your parole/probation. It nearly always a condition of parole/probation..

You were correct about everything, except this paragraph--
Condition of Parole/Probation always includes that you must carry a State issued ID, present it upon request to any LEO...and submit to a search of your person or property upon request by any LEO--
They do not have to get permission from your Parole/Probation Officer--

 

[Classy@Home]

Bowling the car? Smoking a bowl in the car? Just never heard that term.

Hotboxing

 

[supermanlives]

cops do what they want

 

[juicepuddle]

cop are generally ignorant ass wipes and do whatever they want
peace
ez

QFT

(Quoted for truth)

 

[Rouge]

Yup, what vta said. And the rich SOB who bought the mayor's office in NYC just donated $30 million of his ill begotten gains to help young men of color break the cycle of incarceration that his very own policies create----ie---stop and frisk------Bastard!.......
Must be having a guilty conscience. Such a mockery to the truism that no good deeds goes unpunished.

 

[h^2 O]

Bowling the car? Smoking a bowl in the car? Just never heard that term.

you've really never heard of the term "bowling"? "I bowled my room man." "We just bowled that car." Like he said, hotboxing. We call it bowling. Probably short for fishbowlng.
Wiki entry should read - "achieving the state of creating a partially marijuana smoke-rich contained breathing environment wherein the levels of marijuana smoke greatly displaces amounts of usable oxygen - therefore creating a higher level of abosrbtion of the THC"
I remember smoking as a teen in the closet thinking I would get really high by bowling it.

 

[ijim]

It is there world. And the courts are backing them up more and more. Get video of it and send copies to the media, Mayor and counsel members. There response will show you if it is ok or not. Just be clandestine about filming them or have a second person filming you when they beat your ass.

 

[MMJcali]

so what should one say in the situation that a police approaches them and says "empty out your pockets"?

one time i got stopped for jaywalking, I crossed a dead intersection and a cop popped out behind a trash can, cop told me to show him my license, I did and asked what he was doing, he said writing you a ticket for jaywalking. So if I told him I didnt have my license on me could I have gotten away with that? either way, what a bastard.

 

[Sour Deez]

Your handing it to them means you agree to an act they can not require of you. By doing so with your act of consent they are legally taking you hostage.

If you "volunteer" i.e. give permission for the officer to do something they ask you to do which they have no legal right to do then you can not complain as you relinquish your rights by "volunteering" to give up your rights upon request

So by showing my license I am basically giving up my rights? Im pretty good with cops, they are very savy with how they word things to get what the want. But I didnt know that one, so i should just say I dont have it on me?

 

[supermanlives]

you have to show cops id. if not they can drag your ass downtown and run your prints.refusal to show id doesnt end well. dont ask how i know. theres an endless supply of wanted people so the cops say they think you could be so and so and wanted and off you go.

 

[thefatman]

So by showing my license I am basically giving up my rights? Im pretty good with cops, they are very savy with how they word things to get what the want. But I didnt know that one, so i should just say I dont have it on me?

No you are giving consent by handing them anything that you are not required to hand it over to them them. You are only required to show it to them, not give them possession of it. There even asking for you to take it out of your wallet is a game they play so that they are able to set you up for giving them consent to take it (i.e, handing it to them after you take it out of your wallet. Just hold on to it and do not hand it to them. If you have not ever noticed a policeman must identify himself to you if yo ask him to. I guarantee he will not give his ID to you or even let you touch it. He will simply hold it out to you to look at. He will definitely not take it out of his wallet and hand it to you. I.e. by giving that consent for them to take possession of it they can walk away with it and sit around masturbating in their car if they so choose as you volunteered to be taken hostage. Taken hostage as in if you what what you gave them back you have to wait for them to give it back.

So you are required to identify your self by showing him ID, but that does not mean you are required to hand your ID to him. Just show it to him. All he needs to do is look at your picture. That is producing ID. If he wants any personal information such as your name etc. Let him ask for it. You are not required to tell him your name but not doing so would likely mean his hauling you off to the police station.

I am not suggesting that you always refuse to cooperate with a policeman but I am saying if you do cooperate and do things he asks you to do but are not required to do you are freely giving up some of your rights in the matter and can not complain later as you voluntarily gave up those rights.

Think of it this way. If you watch TV shows like Cops and CSI etc. and believe the cops can REQUIRE you to give them your ID or must let them search your pockets by sticking their hands in them just because you saw them do it on the TV shows then you are being screwed by a society that generally supports law enforcement and by a society that does not know the laws pertaining to search and seizures. i.e, your being duped. Just as their are laws that require the police to give you the opportunity to open the door when they knock on it when serving a serach warrant. They do not have a legal right to just open your door and walk in or kick your door in etc without first knocking on your door and giving a reasonable time for you to open the door. They can however do such if they hear people moving around and not answering the door or here other doors opening and closing or here toilets being flushed etc. Meaning if they think you are destroying evidence. Again do not believe all the crap police do on TV is legal. A policeman can not legally do alot of the things they are routinely seen doing on TV. Just like most of the chases shown on TV are not allowed by law or police polocies as they recklessly endanger the lives of other people. Police have other cops, radios str5ips for puncturing tires, road blocks and helicopters. They do not need to nor are they allowed to do such chases. Cops are just assholes that do what ever they want with disregard for others. They get their adrenaline going and they do as they like cause they can nearly always get away with it without repercussions.

 

[labtec]

you've really never heard of the term "bowling"? "I bowled my room man." "We just bowled that car." Like he said, hotboxing. We call it bowling. Probably short for fishbowlng.
Wiki entry should read - "achieving the state of creating a partially marijuana smoke-rich contained breathing environment wherein the levels of marijuana smoke greatly displaces amounts of usable oxygen - therefore creating a higher level of abosrbtion of the THC"
I remember smoking as a teen in the closet thinking I would get really high by bowling it.

I've never heard the term either, and I've lived all over the West Coast and Midwest. I think I might start using it. I've used "Cheech(ed)" and "Hotboxing".

 

[supermanlives]

police have the right to inspect your id under the premise it might be phony. they have no knock warrants as needed to kick your doors in. they just call their friendly judge high speed chases are allowed in certain areas on a case by case basis all over the usa . theres one on alll the time. where you getting your facts fatman. are you in the usa ?

 

[Stoner4Life]

police have more rights today than they
ever had/enjoyed/abused before.......

 

[thefatman]

They know the law, they break the law, and use our ignorance of the law to abuse us. They perjure, coerce, assault, do drugs, steal drugs and money, drink and drive, master spousal abuse, and fortunately have a very high suicide rate...

leo suk cawk...

Ask their ex-wives, the kids they see every 2nd weekend, and the string of girlfriends that they eventually drive away by getting drunk every nite, not being able to get it up much, and pissing themselves while asleep.

Karma is a bitch - especially when she sits on the end of their old service revolver while they stick it in their mouths and pull the trigger...

Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!

Ditto on all that. The worse behaving people are those who are never (very seldom) held responsible for what they do wrong. Such people as Cops, Judges, Lawyers and Politicans.

Historical mj story:
A lawyer who was driving down from Fairbanks Alaska to a Alaska town 92 miles awaywas found parked along the side of the highway "sleeping" in his Porche. On his passenger seat was a bag of cocaine (25.35 grams). A cop drove his car to a local restaurant and parked it there. They drove him home. Ten days later he plead innocent before a magistrate to the possession of marijuana. He was seen by the local Superior Court.

In 1972, Alaska voters adopted a constitutional amendment that created an explicit right to privacy. The first Alaska Supreme Court opinion to interpret the meaning of this section was Ravin v. State, authored by Justice Rabinowitz.

Irwin Ravin, a lawyer, was arrested in December 1972 and charged with criminal possession of marijuana. Ravin challenged the constitutionality of the statute, contending that there was "no legitimate state interest in prohibiting possession of marijuana by adults for their personal use, in view of the right to privacy." The district court upheld the statute, and the superior court granted a petition for review and subsequently affirmed the district court. The Alaska Supreme Court granted Ravin's petition for review, reversed the lower courts, and remanded the matter to the district court for further factual findings.

http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?15%20Alaska%20L.%20Rev.%201

So this all led to the decriminalization of pot possession in Alaska and many other states. That's good , but just how was that lawyer held responsible for cocaine possession and operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of a illicit drug?