Does making seeds make sense?

[someotherguy]

Wow Herb, this has really turned into a great thread with lots of good points being made, it's cool to re-think something you thought you'd already figured out, lol.

As a 'personal use' only, micro-grower I am glad to have cs in my arsenal of tools as I search for my own 'clone only' moms, ...i look forward to the day when I smoke nothing but my own gear.

And for real, chuckin' pollen is FUN, lol. It's more than just fun though because when I pop a seed I made myself it brings me back to that awesome feeling i got the first time I packed my bowl with bud I grew myself, all the TLC that went into the growing of it made it taste SO sweet, ...maybe that was the molasses?, lol.

Anyway, as much fun as pollen chuckin' is, I still keep bonsai moms because not every plant is a 'keeper', let alone 'clone only' worthy.

Peace, and have fun, SOG

 

[supermanlives]

^^^ i agree. last run was 140 seeds after weeding out males and weak plants about 65. with only 5 killer phenos. rest were just ok. so like i said not great for production run but great for finding a new mom. and the 5 will get some pollen

 

[B. Friendly]

think about it
sure if you do not have seeds right now it may seem pointless, you've always been able to get clones, right?

Now think about this:
if you have seeds, have sprouted them, then crossed them, and then found serious winners, you'd be pretty happy you had those seeds, you'd never think of getting rid of them, and eventually you might grow to love from seed growing...

now if you've never had the experience of seeds, then it is hard to know what you are missing
but I can say with absolute ease, "my haze green crack is Serious Smoke and am real happy there are about 200 seeds of her..." that is one of a few now...

 

[inquest]

I'll only buy seeds to help me make, more seeds. I think CS and "micro" growing helps you get the most out of indoor spaces, too. Although, it would suck to get popped with a bunch of plants that hardly weigh anything.... Everybody has to weigh their own risks.

 

[Skunkenstein]

I personally keep Mothers..but I'm also an Avid Seed Maker. Some of the Seed Projects are Joint Ventures to Save Rare Genetics or Interesting Crosses that make Sense at the Time.Within my circle, we always Call around, and Let it be Known, that Somebody has a good Male..Need any Pollen?? Some of the Hybrid crosses and even the F-2's have really been outstanding. I always Tell My Wife, ''Seeds are my Doomsday Insurance Policy''..then she says,''Why do you keep buying More'' HaHa!!

 

[jump /injack]

Storing seeds

Storing seeds

I have clones and also make female seeds periodically. What is the best way to store seeds for the short term and long term. I am putting them in the refrigerator and keeping them cool but not frozen, there has to be some old dogs that have been doing this for years, whats the best way, or is there a best way?

 

[BadRabbit]

I grow for personal. I keep six strains (6 mother plants) in perpetual mothering. Then take clones and veg/flower those in another room. I only grow 6 plants at a time in the veg/flower area. This works really well.

From time to time I wonder if I would be better served by making seeds of the genetics I have. Saving me the cost of running 6 mothers 24x7. Save on the electricity of the exhaust fan, light, etc. Also save on the 2nd reservoir, nutes, etc, etc. Also save on the trim time of the mothers. Since these mothers probably produce enough growth to make 75 clones (each) every two weeks (which I just cut and throw in the compost pile).

So from time to time I consider using colloidal silver or one of the other techniques to self pollinate one of my plants at a time. Make a couple hundred seeds of each genetic. Then I could just use these for each grow.

In YOUR opinion is this a good idea?

My fear with going the seed route, is that I will somehow weaken my genetics with this self polination. I have some decent genetics (Deep Chunk, GDP, Hindu Kush, Blue Dream, Green Crack, Lavender, and Sweet Tooth). I have never ever had a Hermie issue. I worry that I could start having one. I also worry that the ending medicine won't be the same. Are these valid concerns?

P.S. Forgive my newbieness of breeding and genetics. I am not even sure of some of my genetics can produce seed. Like Green Crack I believe is a clone only. Not sure either way. Just trying to learn here.

My probably unpopular opinion ... find great moms, clone the shit out of them.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with home breeders, seed makers and amateur geneticists ... they come up with some fun stuff.

But the reality is that the top breeders in the industry have a huge advantage in numbers, selection and the ability to create stable F1's that can't really be replicated. I figure they're better at it than I am or will ever be.

So, not criticizing breeders and seed makers, some have great fun and results with it, but I'll stick with the pros and just clone the great stuff they make.

best,
rabbit

 

[supermanlives]

breeders count on people like you to keep buisness.i buy and make alot of seeds and to be honest i get just as good from seeds i make,just not stable seeds.

 

[Morphote]

breeders count on people like you to keep buisness.i buy and make alot of seeds and to be honest i get just as good from seeds i make,just not stable seeds.

Could not agree with you more. If we grow seeds from plants selected from large populations, then the selections have already been made. That is what we pay for IMO. I see no difference between breeders selecting from large populations and me growing seeds from those selections to make my selections. They have done the hard work. I don't need to grow thousands of plants to find keepers if keepers have been selected from thousands of plants to create the cultivar. If I find quality P1s in a seed line (which I should!) then it is my responsibility to use those plants to create my own seed lines. If I don't then I should have to pay for my own indolence/ignorance.

M.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Which breeders grow out 1000s? Shanti...Sam...and who else? Maybe Chimera or Hill? Just wondering who these peeps are. My guess...that's it...at least in the commercial market.

If I relied on only the beans of "pro" breeders...guys with their own stable lines which were selected from populations of 1000s of plants (at a time)...I'd have a limited selection of strains to choose from.

I'm not sold on "pros" anymore than I'm sold on mono cropping. What makes a "pro" anyway?....if it's education/degree....you can eliminate most all of them.

Degrees don't do much for me...many can get through a 4yr program and still not have selection talent. A basic book on botany/breeding buys you about the same thing as long as you have your field time. For that field time...I'd suggest growing 1000s of veggie seeds and practicing skills there. It's not difficult....as long as you have a basic grasp and are not delusional.

If you have time, space, $$$$$, and lax laws....seed making is highly rewarding. If you are confined by any of these and are looking for a steady reliable smoke/product for you and yours....then clones are probably the best route.

I'd be bored shitless without making my own stuff. Cutting myself off from buying beans...forcing myself to be full circle agriculture by keeping no clones and making my own seed stock is the best thing I ever did for my garden and for myself as a gardener. Fact.

 

[FATBOB]

definatly make your own seed but dont use that feminized junk for seed making you will regret that in the near future for sure i dont undrstand why they make fem seeds they seem like more trouble than there worth

 

[BadRabbit]

breeders count on people like you to keep buisness.i buy and make alot of seeds and to be honest i get just as good from seeds i make,just not stable seeds.

they do indeed ...but that little jibe would be more effective against someone who uses seed packs for a lot of grows

a keeper for me can, and has, lasted 8 years as a clone (a sensi seeds black domina) ... aw, but I got ripped off for spending 40 bucks on 8 years of kick ass, "perfect every time" indica?

right dude

 

[BadRabbit]

Which breeders grow out 1000s? Shanti...Sam...and who else? Maybe Chimera or Hill? Just wondering who these peeps are. My guess...that's it...at least in the commercial market.

If I relied on only the beans of "pro" breeders...guys with their own stable lines which were selected from populations of 1000s of plants (at a time)...I'd have a limited selection of strains to choose from.

I'm not sold on "pros" anymore than I'm sold on mono cropping. What makes a "pro" anyway?....if it's education/degree....you can eliminate most all of them.

Degrees don't do much for me...many can get through a 4yr program and still not have selection talent. A basic book on botany/breeding buys you about the same thing as long as you have your field time. For that field time...I'd suggest growing 1000s of veggie seeds and practicing skills there. It's not difficult....as long as you have a basic grasp and are not delusional.

If you have time, space, $$$$$, and lax laws....seed making is highly rewarding. If you are confined by any of these and are looking for a steady reliable smoke/product for you and yours....then clones are probably the best route.

I'd be bored shitless without making my own stuff. Cutting myself off from buying beans...forcing myself to be full circle agriculture by keeping no clones and making my own seed stock is the best thing I ever did for my garden and for myself as a gardener. Fact.

man, everybody's quick to assume you're a dumbassa around here!

I buy MNS strains from Shanti.

I've tried a few outside and have sworn it off for good.

 

[BadRabbit]

Which breeders grow out 1000s? Shanti...Sam...and who else? Maybe Chimera or Hill? Just wondering who these peeps are. My guess...that's it...at least in the commercial market.

If I relied on only the beans of "pro" breeders...guys with their own stable lines which were selected from populations of 1000s of plants (at a time)...I'd have a limited selection of strains to choose from.

I'm not sold on "pros" anymore than I'm sold on mono cropping. What makes a "pro" anyway?....if it's education/degree....you can eliminate most all of them.

Degrees don't do much for me...many can get through a 4yr program and still not have selection talent. A basic book on botany/breeding buys you about the same thing as long as you have your field time. For that field time...I'd suggest growing 1000s of veggie seeds and practicing skills there. It's not difficult....as long as you have a basic grasp and are not delusional.

If you have time, space, $$$$$, and lax laws....seed making is highly rewarding. If you are confined by any of these and are looking for a steady reliable smoke/product for you and yours....then clones are probably the best route.

I'd be bored shitless without making my own stuff. Cutting myself off from buying beans...forcing myself to be full circle agriculture by keeping no clones and making my own seed stock is the best thing I ever did for my garden and for myself as a gardener. Fact.

ewwww ... a man of deep philosophy! Yeh, those 4 year degrees are a waste in most cases for sure.

But listen, I didn't say, "don't do it", or "it's dumb", I said quite the opposite.

Different solutions work for different people. Your solution is good for you, not for me. Comprende?

I have no time or interesting with f'ing with a storing and turning into a junior scientist, etc, ad nauseum...

I'm interested in simple, reliable, small output for a couple of people, minimial hassle and time, a consistent, quality.

In that case, clones of a proven keeper from a top breeder like Shanti is the perfect solution for me You see, I have a day job and don't treat it as a avocation or hobby.

cheers,
rabbit

 

[Dr Spock]

Love your police sketch Rysam!!!!

 

[THE PABLOS]

ewwww ... a man of deep philosophy! Yeh, those 4 year degrees are a waste in most cases for sure.

But listen, I didn't say, "don't do it", or "it's dumb", I said quite the opposite.

Different solutions work for different people. Your solution is good for you, not for me. Comprende?

I have no time or interesting with f'ing with a storing and turning into a junior scientist, etc, ad nauseum...

I'm interested in simple, reliable, small output for a couple of people, minimial hassle and time, a consistent, quality.

In that case, clones of a proven keeper from a top breeder like Shanti is the perfect solution for me You see, I have a day job and don't treat it as a avocation or hobby.

cheers,
rabbit

Not sure where that came from dude. I don't know you....and my post had nothing to do with you. It was my view...a few questions...and my assessment. It was a general post.

Your response and your view are yours....has nothing to do with me. I'm happy that you have a job and all....and I'm happy that you are happy with Mr. Nice....what does that have to do with me??????

The philosophy is not "deep"....nor intended to be....more....how I view the bean world. Degrees are paper dude....application is the proof in the pudding. Whether education is a waste of time is up to the individual.

What is up with "dumb ass" and assumptions? Where are you reading into this shit?

EDIT: Tell me you are not friends with JessE? You sound just like him over there on the Nice site

 

[trichrider]

my vote, FTW

nothing wrong with having seed you know are female.