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Strainhunter

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proof is in the pudding, where are all the smart meter bust? couldnt find a single one using google and 20mins of my life.
MrSchnizzle here is another one.

Sent to me by PM by someone who read this thread and YOUR misleading info.





Smart meters help cops identify and bust indoor marijuana growing operations

Toledo : OH : USA | Mar 02, 2011
By RobertTilford01

Smart meters can help police bust indoor marijuana growing operations. It does so because the smart meters provide highly detailed energy use data, that could be used in real time surveillance of neighborhoods, communities, cities and eventually the nation's entire electrical grid.

In central Ohio, law enforcement officials file as many as 60 subpoenas each month for energy use records of people suspected in indoor marijuana growing operations. It seems that most of the residences with indoor pot growing operations are in quit neighborhoods without much traffic.

HOW COPS USE SMART METER TECHNOLOGY IS INTERESTING
According to Drug Enforcement Agency, the subpena is only "one tool" used to catch illegal grow house operations. What typically happens is that police may recieve a tip of suspicous activity and undercover officers might not find anything illegal during a routine surveillance of the suspect's residence. So then "utility consumption records" can be sought which could be one indicator police use to get 'probable cause' to go search the place.

Using smart grid for surveillance to catch indoor pot farmers is not new. We found references to this going back to 2005 see: "NeverGetBusted" document "fishing for pot" and the Dallas Criminal Defense Lawyer Blog reported on "Texas warrantless surveillance program" in which Austin Energy provides police with "customer usage information" to find grow houses.

POT GROWERS GET "SMART" ALSO
In writing this article, I did some investigating and found some people who traffic in pot willing to talk with me about there smart energy concerns. They indicated there are many ways around that kind of smart meter surveillance and monitoring. The primary one, don't opt for smart meter technology, if you can. They cited the use of solar energy panels to feed back energy into the grid, gas generators and the tapping of nearby electrical utility lines illegally for power (smart grid makes that more and more difficult however). One fellow indicate the possibility of 'meter tampering or bypass', but I didn't really understand how that works, but thought I should mention it.

TRENDING NOW- SMALLER MARIJUANA GROW OPERATIONS
The growers say the trend now is "hydro" and "chronic" so called: "one hit wonders" - or the growing of high quality medical grade marijuana, through cross breading and genetics. So marijuana grow operations are forming that are tending to be cultivating smaller crops that interestingly enough sell for more money. So it will be interesting to see how this will evolve over time. If marijuana was legalized the government could tax the f*cking shit out it, like they do now for alcohol and cigarettes. But that is my personal opinion.

MANY DIFFERENT ENERGY SPIES
But law enforcement is only the beginning of how smart grid can be used to spy and commit what might be called: "soft forms of espionage".
Insurance companies for example could use the smart grid data as real time surveillance to determine if people are present in the home they are asked to insure as a primary residence. The press also could use smart meters to monitor and report on celebrities and politicians energy usage and meter data.

THE "DARK SIDE"
Everything has a "dark side" as Darth Vader would call it. So to smart meter technology. Criminals may want to see the data to determine the "point of least energy usage" which would give then the best time to come around the house to burglarize it maybe...or see what kind of high dollar appliances you might have to rip off! Creditors too could use that data to theoretically determine in behavior indicates credit worthiness for example. And I can think of a billion others, but you get my point.

The scariest report I saw was the fact that smart meter grids could include as many as 440 million customers meaning 440 million "new hackable points" by the end of 2015 (reported by Computerworld), according to Lockheed Martin General Manager of Energy and Cyber Services.

So besides privacy concerns for criminals - smart grid presents new vulnerability to the electrical grid itself.
In the near future we may see a time when energy will be regulated and more controlled ad so will your usage of that energy.
 

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Thanks for that article Strainhunter. I love stuff like that. Helps bring more "LIGHT" to the issue, and gets the creative juices flowing.

The average indoor non-commercial grower really does not need more than 400wts to create enough stash for a good while. In flip-flop with 400wts, you could pull 2 lbs easy with Sea of Green every 60 days or so. More than enough!

Hard to believe that any law enforcement agency would want to go after a 400wt grower, but they would be all over a 4kw setup like Strainhunter has.

There is always the sun also.
 

Strainhunter

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I've seen people on here saying that there will be a noticeable spike/twitch when the load is transferred to the cold bulb. anyone know this for a fact or is it just speculation? while i'm on the topic, anyone ever run a digital ballast flipped?


Inspired by your and other similar threads I made a little "write up".

It also covers Flip Flops as mentioned & referred to within part of this thread.


Smart Meters - a few common misconceptions cleared up here.



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How about repeating your question instead of trying to be cynical?

pictures seem easier for um... certain people to understand so here's one just for you.

A is what i think it might look like when a relay flips the load

B is what i hope it looks like (the transfer of load is undetectable)

some people like caps lock as well so we'll try that too

WILL THE TRANSFER OF LOAD BE VISIBLE ASSUMING IT'S THE ONLY THING ON (NO TVS OR ANYTHING ELSE BEING RAN)
 

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Strainhunter

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I've seen people on here saying that there will be a noticeable spike/twitch when the load is transferred to the cold bulb. anyone know this for a fact or is it just speculation? while i'm on the topic, anyone ever run a digital ballast flipped?


OK if it is the question I highlighted above then please read the thread I linked to on the previous page.

The desired answer IS covered in there.


If you got another question I might have missed...feel free to repeat it.
 

Strainhunter

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some people like caps lock as well so we'll try that too

WILL THE TRANSFER OF LOAD BE VISIBLE ASSUMING IT'S THE ONLY THING ON (NO TVS OR ANYTHING ELSE BEING RAN)


:laughing:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

And for your better understanding ONCE MORE and in "easy words":

It is the COLD BULB being fired up causing spikes, NOT a ballast.
So if you transfer a load from one bulb to another...there WILL BE A SPIKE.

Capriche now? :wave:
 
:laughing:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

And for your better understanding ONCE MORE and in "easy words":

It is the COLD BULB being fired up causing spikes, NOT a ballast.
So if you transfer a load from one bulb to another...there WILL BE A SPIKE.

Capriche now? :wave:

so.... why didn't you just come out and say this at first :confused:
 

Strainhunter

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so.... why didn't you just come out and say this at first :confused:


Because I figured you would have the comprehension skills to read and understand the thread I linked to on the previous page
(and repeated in part below so you don't have to look it up yourself).

Now...would you like me to buy your ballasts, build your grow room and grow your plants as well? ;)


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One of those terrible misconceptions is causing some people to feel save with their grow when using Flip Flops to avoid power spikes, more about that later on.

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A Flip Flop is NOT going to provide you with ANY SECURITY!
Flip Flops switch the load on your ballast to other bulb(s) (commonly used during the 12/12 cycle) causing the ballast not having to re-start. Many think the aforementioned process will avoid a spike (such as previously mentioned) but it will NOT lower your power bill.

The caveat is that the spikes, while not easily attributable to HID lighting (or whatever flavor), are most easily going to be recognized by their repeatability. Spikes of the same magnitude at a highly repeatable interval over several weeks are going to be suspect. Most spikes generated within a house are going to be from a device responding to a relatively random event (thermostat, etc), rather than a reasonably accurate 12 hour period. Unfortunately, this is probably an event that could be easily picked out by an automated search.

Spikes are NOT the main "give away" though - there are just too many of those around in an average household.

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Because I figured you would have the comprehension skills to read and understand the thread I linked to on the previous page
(and repeated in part below so you don't have to look it up yourself).

Now...would you like me to buy your ballasts, build your grow room and grow your plants as well? ;)

i'm sorry but you're either trolling or a complete fucking idiot
 
i wont last her very long? LOL i've been on here longer than both or you combined and it took you until the end of P3 to post your link that "answered" the question. thanks for playing, ttyl
 

Strainhunter

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i wont last her very long? LOL i've been on here longer than both or you combined and it took you until the end of P3 to post your link that "answered" the question. thanks for playing, ttyl


No buddy I posted the answer & link to your question BEFORE you had to ask AGAIN where my answer is.
:nanana:


Pay attention to details buddy!


On top of being a loser you are calling the person after he has helped you some wild names...funny! :wave:

i'm sorry but you're either trolling or a complete fucking idiot
 

No buddy I posted the answer & link to your question BEFORE you had to ask AGAIN where my answer is.
:nanana:


Pay attention to details buddy!


On top of being a loser you are calling the person after he has helped you some wild names...funny! :wave:


you asked me to repeat the question :confused: instead of just answering the question you make an entire thread on the topic and expect me to read it because... why?
 

Strainhunter

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you asked me to repeat the question :confused: instead of just answering the question you make an entire thread on the topic and expect me to read it because... why?

Because I wrongly figured you had seen my then already posted answer and had another one you wanted to know about.

I mean why would you ask for an answer if it has already been given to you the page before???
 
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