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Loss of dreams from cannabis?
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howzit brother...that could have been my post verbatim!
if i had to go before congress, or the pres or whoever and argue the case for med...and it all depended on me....and i got to use ONE example of treatment...this would be it...i spent years doing what i could to not sleep deep enough to dream..slept sitting up for years...broke many recliners sleeping in them...alarms set to go off every two hours...sometimes less....i toke every time i wake up to this day...anyway...the one exception for me is a local strain been going around for years...p-91...recently got it back...it makes me look forward to sleep...the only strain that does....when i was still getting it commercial i split a z w three friends...friends that didnt know each other...asked them to rate it and tell me anything they thought was unique about it...did not lead any of them in any direction...all three reported back to me they had slept really well and had the most vivid dreams they could remember having...not exactly science...but it was good enough for me
Yes spurr 1984 was a great year for movies.
I find this topic fascinating. I suffer from insomnia and parasomnia. This is one reason I medicate. I also medicate due to anxiety issues, but I believe those issues are related to my inability to sleep. If indicas impair my ability to sleep properly (achieve REM or the dream state) then I think this raises concerns about whether they are the best course of treatment. I believe when we smoke indicas we only go as far as stage 3 of NREM, SWS (slow wave sleep) or "deep sleep", in which we dream but we do not recall our dreams.
Traditionally, most people recommend indicas for sleep disorders. I find indicas relaxing but I need to sleep properly. One of the main reasons I do not take sleeping pills is because I know they do not help me sleep. I know they simply knock me out and that is not what I want. It is my fear that indicas have the same effect. It is my belief that REM sleep is essential to getting a good night's rest and lowering overall anxiety. Perhaps we need to rethink our choice of cultivars that treat insomnia. P-91 sounds nice and it's a sativa IIRC.
M.
I find this topic fascinating. I suffer from insomnia and parasomnia. This is one reason I medicate. I also medicate due to anxiety issues, but I believe those issues are related to my inability to sleep. If indicas impair my ability to sleep properly (achieve REM or the dream state) then I think this raises concerns about whether they are the best course of treatment. I believe when we smoke indicas we only go as far as stage 3 of NREM, SWS (slow wave sleep) or "deep sleep", in which we dream but we do not recall our dreams.
Traditionally, most people recommend indicas for sleep disorders. I find indicas relaxing but I need to sleep properly. One of the main reasons I do not take sleeping pills is because I know they do not help me sleep. I know they simply knock me out and that is not what I want. It is my fear that indicas have the same effect. It is my belief that REM sleep is essential to getting a good night's rest and lowering overall anxiety. Perhaps we need to rethink our choice of cultivars that treat insomnia. P-91 sounds nice and it's a sativa IIRC.
M.
eddie.saw
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In my case, i dont really believe the dreams stop, its just i can't recall them when i wake. Apparently a few weeks ago my girl was entertained for a good 7 or 8 minutes by my mumbling and reaching while my eyes just rolled in circles... she was worried so she woke me up and i told her i was having a zombie apocalypse dream. I myself have no memory of any of it ever happening. From time to time i get woken up by a dream and remember it the whole day, They're usually me watching myself or other people die during the next day.... Makee for one hell of a morning. lol
lately I have been smoking no heavy indica strains, and after years and years smoking herb from bags, I am dreaming again. This is a good thing because since I was a child, dreams were a "safe" place. While others suffered from nightmares, my problem was fear while awake. As long as I could get to sleep I was in control.
Spurr, try making a tea from Artemisia vulgaris. It is all over the place, pretty much all over the globe. I have yet to try it, but vivid dreams are supposed to be one effect.
Spurr, try making a tea from Artemisia vulgaris. It is all over the place, pretty much all over the globe. I have yet to try it, but vivid dreams are supposed to be one effect.
I have to shake my head over demonizing seroquel (quetiapine). Seroquel saved my life, and a daily dose along with my cannabis has really changed me for the better. SOME people get nightmares or other unintended effects, and for those people there are other anti-psychotics, benzos, etc... I take it all at night, sometimes with an added extended release tablet so I have a micro dose with me the next day. I am as sharp as ever, because my dosage intensity and schedule have been properly titrated.
I would really think twice about advising someone facing possible psychosis to rely on cannabis. If you really know your strain, and know that it brings you back down to earth, fine, but the wrong smoke will send you into the stratosphere. Seroquel is a great emergency treatment for smoking the wrong thing, and it is almost impossible to overdose.
depression, anxiety, etc... ok, smoke the herb and maybe it helps, but psychosis and mania are too easily stoked by stimulating smoke, and when it happens it sneaks up on you and you think you are fine.
Very interesting stuff Spurr.
You always manage to tickle the intellect.
My main motive to grow is Wifey's fibromyalgia and my lack of sleep from severe apnea. I simply cannot use a CPAP machine. They even had to wait until I fell asleep to put it on for a test.
As it is, I rarely dream at all (or remember them) as I generally never sleep more than an hour at a time before waking. My cannabis intake is very low at present, but yet no dreams to speak of.
One thing I can say is that even as little as I sleep, during periods of high stress from waking events, I will dream enough to actually wake and remember dreams.
I tend to agree with Chimera's observation that one (of possibly many) dream states primary functions is a sort of cataloging and filing of daily events and maybe more importantly, the emotional responses to those events.
On recall, the dreams can be fantastically abstract, defying logic and order, but our emotions reflecting the dream state may play some part of a cathartic role in our mental well being in consciousness as a sort of pressure release valve.
Lucid dreaming is a fascinating topic. The 'Wild West' of the brain. As a child I could easily slip into my favorite flying dreams almost at will. On awakening, these dreams would be as vivid and as 'real' as the daily events that preceded them.
I use a different type trick when even watching a boring movie won't lull me to sleep. I use a meditation-like mantra and a non-visualization, more of a deliberate 'emptying the mind' is the best way to describe it. At first, it would occasionally backfire and after a period of, say, a half hour, I would find myself very calm but very awake and almost energized but now it seems to work pretty well.
I'm looking at a lil W.Widow X AK-47 sprout with her hull helmet still on as we speak, hoping she'll put some knock down, stay down power in some jars for me.
I'm planning on smoking enough to get a OOBE. Slap that brain into submission.
I'll be happy to do my dreaming before I fall asleep. Dreaming while sleeping is a luxury for me that I'd be gladly trade for some zzz's.
You always manage to tickle the intellect.
My main motive to grow is Wifey's fibromyalgia and my lack of sleep from severe apnea. I simply cannot use a CPAP machine. They even had to wait until I fell asleep to put it on for a test.
As it is, I rarely dream at all (or remember them) as I generally never sleep more than an hour at a time before waking. My cannabis intake is very low at present, but yet no dreams to speak of.
One thing I can say is that even as little as I sleep, during periods of high stress from waking events, I will dream enough to actually wake and remember dreams.
I tend to agree with Chimera's observation that one (of possibly many) dream states primary functions is a sort of cataloging and filing of daily events and maybe more importantly, the emotional responses to those events.
On recall, the dreams can be fantastically abstract, defying logic and order, but our emotions reflecting the dream state may play some part of a cathartic role in our mental well being in consciousness as a sort of pressure release valve.
Lucid dreaming is a fascinating topic. The 'Wild West' of the brain. As a child I could easily slip into my favorite flying dreams almost at will. On awakening, these dreams would be as vivid and as 'real' as the daily events that preceded them.
I use a different type trick when even watching a boring movie won't lull me to sleep. I use a meditation-like mantra and a non-visualization, more of a deliberate 'emptying the mind' is the best way to describe it. At first, it would occasionally backfire and after a period of, say, a half hour, I would find myself very calm but very awake and almost energized but now it seems to work pretty well.
I'm looking at a lil W.Widow X AK-47 sprout with her hull helmet still on as we speak, hoping she'll put some knock down, stay down power in some jars for me.
I'm planning on smoking enough to get a OOBE. Slap that brain into submission.
I'll be happy to do my dreaming before I fall asleep. Dreaming while sleeping is a luxury for me that I'd be gladly trade for some zzz's.
I have a very close friend who was driven into severe psychosis as his doctor increased his prescribed dosage of seroquel.
It's not something to take lightly at all. Very dangerous drug.
that doesn't make too much sense. are you sure your friend was not taking an SSRI? I can see seroquel being ineffective, but actually driving the psychosis is a little hard to imagine considering it is reducing the effects of serotonin, not increasing. SSRI's and other antidepressants, on the other hand, are known to push certain people into mania or psychosis.
Seroquel could drive the wrong person to major depression and suicidal ideation, particularly teenagers, but psychosis is a little harder to swallow.
Dreams are a wonderful thing....you"re sound asleep....but the brain is producing images...of something that has never happened...something that has happened....or might happen?
Your body reacts...flinches...ever seen dogs dreaming?
It's a strange world....we're a strange species.
Life is beautiful...asleep or awake.
When I wake up I just think WTF!....here comes another day.
Your body reacts...flinches...ever seen dogs dreaming?
It's a strange world....we're a strange species.
Life is beautiful...asleep or awake.
When I wake up I just think WTF!....here comes another day.
Just read a study on this called - Phase II (or Stage II) non REM sleep. chronic fatigue syndrome suffers never achieve this type of sleep, but when reset and they do achieve this Phase II sleep the CFS disappears.
i am glad seroquel has worked so nicely for you! sounds like you get the intended effect...just like i do, or ojo does w cannabis...but that shit will never be found in my house again...for the exact reasons ojo mentioned...im pretty sure rojo wasnt making a blanket statement about the drug...he was speaking specifically about a fundamental problem w the v.a. healthcare system as pertains to those of us w combat stress...
Yes I was lucky enough to find seroquel while under the care of a superb psych doctor. I went through a half dozen other drugs before I got to the one. Zyprexa was as effective but made me gain 5 pounds per week.
I still use cannabis for anxiety and depression especially. A good satty gets me out of a funk and doing stuff.
So glad it works for you ML !
We all have to find what works and stick to it.
Ojo
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seroquel gave me like absolute NIGHTMARES. I would be sleeping and someone would go to wake me up and I would actually yell as I was waking up, thinking I was in combat or something. Strange stuff. Really does help you sleep though. But also makes you fat. Glad it works for you bro.
for some reason, I get no weight gain from this one. I am grateful
I had the waking up screaming thing happen to me in the hospital, when I was put on an old school drug
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Looking back on it, I guess it was kind of cool....can't say I've ever woken up like that before....adrenaline through the roof, sweating, not sure where you are....yeah man I would wake up like gasping for air or screaming. I think I might ask my doc for it next time. I take klonopin now and it doesn't really do anything for me anymore...I usually rely on bud for anxiety relief.
aggregatebuzz
Member
MJ has helped my sub conscious and intended perception intercommunicate
effects the amygdala part of the medial temporal lobes of the brain which is part of the oldest structures of the human mind,part of the limbic system
effects the amygdala part of the medial temporal lobes of the brain which is part of the oldest structures of the human mind,part of the limbic system
kannabeast
New member
I noticed something particularly interesting; yes, cannabis consumption has definitely inhibited my dreams, though I've noticed that when I try to discipline myself into dream yoga or when I was in a better emotional state, I would dream more often while being able to recall my dreams. I think the beauty of cannabis is the fact that it can be used one way or another; when researchers say there's a risk of psychosis associated with cannabis use, it's not usually the plant's fault [in my own personal belief, though I do believe in hormonal/chemical imbalances also throwing people off], but rather the mindset of the individual. A change of perspective lends to a change in lifestyle and living in the world you're experiencing.
The same thing goes for dreaming. If you want to dream, you're able to dream...though, I personally do experience a higher rate of raw, unforced dreaming without medicating, and that's the truth.
A lot of interesting posts in this thread, aye
The same thing goes for dreaming. If you want to dream, you're able to dream...though, I personally do experience a higher rate of raw, unforced dreaming without medicating, and that's the truth.
A lot of interesting posts in this thread, aye
