Any "Elites" from verifiable breeder stock?

[tokinblackguy]

Super Silver Haze has more keeper cuts than anything else I can think of.

Believable, traceable, and verifiable

tangerine haze is from a pack of somas nycd x g13haze

at least thats what i read in the forums

Never heard of the tangerine haze, time to do some research, thanks for the info.

I think all my moms are elites. And they all came from packs I popped

Somehow I knew either you or 40Amps would post something like this. I've also come across some seriously nice plants in my day. I've never grown an elite personally, but I've smoked a boatload of the more well knowns. I've ran some stuff that ranks right up there with em, not outright surpassing, but if it were a boxing match, I'd bet on em going all 12 rounds That SFS#4 you have sure does look delishhhhh!

DAMN, I was like he's about to do a whole show on my ass.

My thoughts exactly How's it going Aero, thanks for dropping in.

Colorado Cough is NL5 x Haze
didn't GDP come from a Big Bud cross

basically if you grow out enough seeds you can my elite keepers in most packs of good genetics.

Sharon from White Widow

Stu from NL5xHaze

Ogre Cut from Sensi Star

thats all i can think of off the top of my head...

OK, thats 2 for the NL5 x Haze, anyone know whose stock these were found in? I grew this cross some years back, not sure whose I had though, may have well been Nirvana's version. Not too familiar with the Ogre cut but I've always wanted to run the SS. Heard of the Sharon White Widow, verifiable, traceable, believable.

the whole Chemdawg lines have their archivist. you're just not in the right circles to know.

Not sure what you're getting at or whose circle I have to be in, but the Chemdawg lines to me are anything but verfiable. "Two friends met on a Dead Tour in 91, and a pound containing twelve seeds of the majestic Chem/Dawg, whose lineage is still somewhat of a mystery, made it's way to Massachusetts. As for the father of those seeds, this is also somewhat of a mystery." IMO, not verifiable, somewhat traceable, and not offered by a seedbank at any time. Am I missing something?

ortega from northern lights. a lot of elites im guessing are homeade crosses though that turned out great. or from discontinued seeds. not many from seeds that are on the market right now. but u can always find your own and put it out there with the chance that it catches a buzz. if you live in california. lol.

Seems most growers, not sure what percentage, but most....seek out the best girl from a bunch of seeds, most often not a large number...10 or 20....and clone it for their collection. Then grow that same plant for years. Its certainly a sensible strategy for keeping good weed around, but it's not ideal for finding the most special, or elite, plants.

I think if more people grew these seeds out to the next generation, frequently where you start to see a lot of variation in the plants, and grew slightly larger numbers from seed in that F2 generation, at least for the first few weeks while these plants are still small, they could have more interesting plants to pick from, and increase the chances of finding the super duper special girl and/or male. Unfortunately, these larger numbers of plants potentially mean more trouble with LEO, which is another reason it doesn't get done.

Interesting observations guys, partly the reason I made this thread. I'm not looking for elites or trying to put something out there to become an elite, it was just my observation of the whole clone only story thing.

BOG
Chimera

I know these guys deliver.

Any particular strain?

Riri Sour Diesel (gotta cross the pond)

AND because enough I know have claimed it to be so...

"Nightmare Kush" from White S1 seeds... (also a pond crosser)

Carolina Blue - Blue Sat. 2.2 x Grape Krush - Arawn
BKGK - pre-98 bubba x Grape Krush - Retardo Motabon
Chem D x NL (plant #5) - Zoolander
Golden Cindy - Nuggetshiner

HONESTLY, found more "elite" quality plants from the SERVER FUND than I have from breeder packs. Maybe because many server fund crosses isolate and capitalize on these already sorted "elites" in their hybridization at some point along the way...just saying...

Sprout more seeds!


dank.Frank

Waddup dank, gotta agree with you there, "sprout more seeds". I should have jumped on Retardo's beans the moment he offered, but I had other things in mind at the time, wouldn't have been able to pop em in a timely manner so I humbly declined. Can't kick myself in the ass, but you're welcome to do it for me..lol Arawn and RM are 2 of the kindest people I've had the pleasure to meet here on IC, they just don't make em like that anymore. Those type folks have give off good karma, which translates into the strains their working. Seriously good people those 2 are.

Mr. Nice
Bog
Rez

anything in particular?

 

[Hammerhead]

How do you qualify a strain to be an Elite cut??

Taste?
Smell?
Potency?
Type of high?
Looks?

Potency the cuts that have that expando factor. Most wont have any or very slight. Im not talking about the size of the hit. A very small amount will feel as if you cant hold it.

Smell Something that is strong does not lose its smell when cured and unique. I prefer fruity smells.

Taste For me it must not be bitter it must send the pallet into overdrive(wanting more) Something that you enjoy savering the taste not harsh. I prefer sweet fruity strains.

The high for me is a nice warm feeling all over. Not to sedative and not racy at all. no paranoid feelings. Creative thinking, Happy thoughts.

Looks very appealing to the eye,harvested at the right time, Massive amounts of Trics that give that white look.


Im sure others have other things they look for or have diferant criteria then I do.

 

[Stress_test]

I have 9 different "Elite" strains and a couple killer strains that I clone for patients around the area. It might surprise a lot of you to know that most growers aren't as interested in the "Elite" strains nearly as much as they are in yield, grow time and heartiness, with a good high.

When I first started cloning and offering my strains to other medical growers the elite's were more popular, but it run it's course. Most growers don't ever give a shit if it has a name as long as it's good weed. In fact I am the only one I know that even has "good weed", everybody else grows and smokes the other strains that grow best in this area, and produce a good yield of good grade weed but low grade medical quality marijuana, but requires as little effort as possible, and finishes the quickest.

Ask any seed vendor: Their bread and butter, pay the bills sales come from the average quality seeds that the majority of people can afford. Only a minority of growers are willing to pay the money for top shelf genetics and appreciate the difference between that weed everybody else smokes, and "Elite" strains.

 

[LouDog420]

 

[MIway]

I'm kinda surprised, but think you are correct, Capt... but def on the computer a lot! ;-)


I get people here asking me for 'the purps' & 'the kushy nugs'... lol. Purple & rolled/tight nugs... like compressed bag nugs... a.k.a., kushy nugs. They go by looks primarily, then odor, then they look for that hard cough with a burnt/couch lock effect. Could tell em any name really, they do know some, but only enough to fuck up the name, let alone know what the heritage actually is. And for some reason, if you say haze... they wince & look away. All about the purps & kushy nugs & the blah, bland highs. lmfao... these are the requests/demands.

Crazy shit Capt... the grape kush (so uneventful of a high), they love to death... like some fool apparently said it was some of the best smoke he's ever had in his life... LOL... purely boring ass blah crap commercial... yet is purple & tight.

And the chemhaze... ehhhhh, it looks kinda airy. Idiots.

Glad to surround myself w the internet nerds! ;-)

 

[BRNEYDBVR]

And the chemhaze... ehhhhh, it looks kinda airy. Idiots.

Glad to surround myself w the internet nerds! ;-)

Your right, they are idiots....lol.... I hold two chemhaze plants that are some seriously righteous herb!

 

[master shake]

Any particular strain?

For BOG, probably a keeper in every pack of every strain.. Sour Bubble in particular.

Chimera about the same, look for the blue berry crosses. Mental floss, Grapefruit x bb aka sweettooth, dolce/sweetest sativa. High end genetics there.

 

[cr0n]

Hey tokinblackguy,

Here is an old thread that I started about a very similar topic. Hope it helps a bit.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=67581

I personally have a few clones that I consider elite. My NYCD and my SLH. I have had a few in the past that I lost along the way.

 

[Marlo]

For BOG, probably a keeper in every pack of every strain.. Sour Bubble in particular.

Sour Bubble might be a candidate for all time best indica.

But I've struck out with other strains from BOG.

 

[hempluvr]

Here is my ECPD(east coast purple diesel)mom from Outlaw Genetics seedstock. I found this smelly lady last year and she is real treat. Str8 DIESEL FUNK with added yield and color

 

[Stress_test]

Besides all that's been pointed out already; an "Elite strain" must meet certain qualifications... For me one of the most important qualifications is my ability to reproduce and preserve the strain. A clone only source doesn't meet that requirement.

The original Gangsta Kush is now a clone only strain and I have grown it a couple times. To me it doesn't qualify as an Elite either. GK was one of those really hearty strains that any idiot could grow. It grew well in just about any climate or conditions and had a great yield of fairly good smoke. But it never was a really notable smoke.

Every grower knows the story of the origin of Gangsta Kush because the grower had flooded the San Fernando Valley with it and was the first big hydro grow operation that got busted at the time, it made big news which made the strain famous.

Now the mediocre, clone only strain brings as high a price as Elite" strains like White Widow or Northern Lights.

Some people just don't even deserve to smoke good herb.

 

[Croissant]

I have smoked nugs that came from elite plants that came from breeders packs of seeds but that are not passed around in dispensories as elite clone onlys.

like
yumboldt, romulan, and blueberry.

and imo that yumboldt was some of the best stash I ever come across pretty much blows everything i ever had in a dispensory out of the water. I dont know how often the elite cut of yumboldt shows up in seed but I think the strain is underrated and underrepresented in the cali scene. It was the best smelling and tasting herb i ever smoked as covered in crystals as anything i ever seen and the high was lucid and super relaxing and sunny.

 

[tokinblackguy]

I really appreciate all of the replies and different insights, it reinforces and sheds light on some things I've often wondered about, hence the thread. Unfortunately, I'm not in a med-state or one that's likely to be anytime soon and the only other people I know that grow at all are those I introduced to it. Only one of them still currently dabble, but no real pot-snob that I know of. I met a bartender several years ago in a Sheraton Hotel that smelled some Nirvana Widow I had on me, and asked for a j. I could tell he was more than an occasional smoker from how he examined the bud, grower I think, but I never let on that I grew.

Anyway, I've always believed that some of the gear I've ran through the years could stand up to, and even smoke better than some elites that I've run across. Of course I'm biased because I grew it, but still, I often questioned myself. I cannot guarantee that what I've been smoking as "Kush this Green Crack that Purp this Thrax that" is indeed what it is because it's usually commercial. Great pot but it's shipped here from somewhere else. We got some medical zips a few times, labeled and all, can't remember the dispensary but it was nice. So anyway, this is where my experience and viewpoint come from The name shit gets straight ridiculous in the hood so I won't even get into that. Most folks around my parts won't buy it if it's not LOUD, even if it has no high, it's just crazy.

And no offense to anyone really, but only my white friends here can seem to discern good pot and not give 2 shits what it's called. As long as it has unique taste and gets you ripped. you got some satisfied white folk, my black brethren it's a whole other story. If it's not Kush or Purp, it has a hard time passing for good, even if it's great.

I'm a lil high right now off some middies, probably rambling a bit, and sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[One Love 731]

I have a Paradise Seeds, Sensi Star circa 95' that can stand up to anything. If I could keep only 1 she would be a contender. The only down side is slow veg and not much stretch. 1

Most of these elites are a Joke, some of the best girls I have are for the most part unknown. I'm guessing a year from now The SensiStar95' and The Sour Rhino cuts will be as popular as some of the Chems, Bubba's, Og's.

 

[Rowdy420]

Elites come from hype my friend, create some story and the sheople will elaborate for you.

 

[Karma Genetics]

What is a Elite Cut ?

Thats the treu first question, I grew a few of the socalled Elite cuts and they are defantly not better ore more special then stuff i get from seeds. They are very nice keepers tho most of them.

I think the name Elite cut is somthing created to make it more special. You dont need them cuts you need to pick your own,

I prefer most of my own selected cuts from seeds then the uhmm cut only elite's.



So my answer to your question is YES there are a lot of Keepers to be found in these days seeds, It takes homework tho these days to find the trustfull and good made seeds.

 

[csedge]

I'm kinda surprised, but think you are correct, Capt... but def on the computer a lot! ;-)


I get people here asking me for 'the purps' & 'the kushy nugs'... lol. Purple & rolled/tight nugs... like compressed bag nugs... a.k.a., kushy nugs. They go by looks primarily, then odor, then they look for that hard cough with a burnt/couch lock effect. Could tell em any name really, they do know some, but only enough to fuck up the name, let alone know what the heritage actually is. And for some reason, if you say haze... they wince & look away. All about the purps & kushy nugs & the blah, bland highs. lmfao... these are the requests/demands.

Crazy shit Capt... the grape kush (so uneventful of a high), they love to death... like some fool apparently said it was some of the best smoke he's ever had in his life... LOL... purely boring ass blah crap commercial... yet is purple & tight.

And the chemhaze... ehhhhh, it looks kinda airy. Idiots.

Glad to surround myself w the internet nerds! ;-)

Agreed tried to rep for that but cant give ya any! Peoples choices on quality herb amaze me around here.... Your chem haze is some fire fire! W.e more headstash for us n good yielding purple strains for them!

 

[CalcioErba2004]

I budtend and I can tell you that most people don't know shit about weed. I love those "kushheads" that say they only smoke kush. Had one of these kushheads on some power plant for a while, said it was better than any kush he ever had...

HYPE SELLS!

 

[DonkDBZ]

Isn't Sour Dubble a elite cut from BOG's Sour Bubble?

Cherry AK was consider elite for a while.

DJ shorts Blueberry has produced multiple elite cuts

There is also 2 elite C-99 cuts one pineapple, one grapefruit

There are alot of elite cuts going around just not enough elite growers to do em justice.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

Isn't Sour Dubble a elite cut from BOG's Sour Bubble?

Nope its a one off cross of Sour Bubble x NYCD...