Which synthetic cannabinoids are now banned in Oz?

[PhenoMenal]

These are 7 synthetic cannabinoids banned in NSW, but apparently from last Friday the FEDERAL Govt banned EIGHT(8) different synthetic cannabinoids.

Src: http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/factsheets/drugandalcohol/synthetic_cannabis.html

A number of synthetic cannabinoids will be banned in NSW from 8 July 2011. These substances may be found in products with brand names such as Kronic, Northern Lights, Spice, Kaos, Voodoo and Mango.

Effective from Friday 8 July 2011, the following substances will be included in the list of prohibited plants and drugs listed under Schedule 1 of the Drug Misuse and Trafficking Act 1985:

JWH-073 (1-Butyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole)
CP 47, 497 (5-(1,1-Dimethylheptyl)-2-[(1R, 3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol)
Cannabicyclohexanol or CP 47,497 C8 Homologue (5-(1,1-Dimethyloctyl)-2-[(1R, 3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol)
JWH-250 (2-(2-Methoxyphenyl)-1-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)ethanone)
JWH-200 (1-[2-(4-Morpholinyl)ethyl]-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole)
JWH-122 (1-Pentyl-3-(4-methyl-1-naphthoyl)indole)
JWH-018 (1-Pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole)

What testing has the government done? None. So how would they even know what its effects are?
Why is it banning these substances? Simply because it mimics cannabis. Perhaps they should make a drug to mimic alcohol, politicians would receive it more warmly due to their ignorance and stupidity.
Is this complete and utter bullshit? I think the community can decide.

 

[High Country]

These are 7 synthetic cannabinoids banned in NSW, but apparently from last Friday the FEDERAL Govt banned EIGHT(8) different synthetic cannabinoids.

Src: http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/factsheets/drugandalcohol/synthetic_cannabis.html

A number of synthetic cannabinoids will be banned in NSW from 8 July 2011. These substances may be found in products with brand names such as Kronic, Northern Lights, Spice, Kaos, Voodoo and Mango.

Effective from Friday 8 July 2011, the following substances will be included in the list of prohibited plants and drugs listed under Schedule 1 of the Drug Misuse and Trafficking Act 1985:

JWH-073 (1-Butyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole)
CP 47, 497 (5-(1,1-Dimethylheptyl)-2-[(1R, 3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol)
Cannabicyclohexanol or CP 47,497 C8 Homologue (5-(1,1-Dimethyloctyl)-2-[(1R, 3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol)
JWH-250 (2-(2-Methoxyphenyl)-1-(1-pentylindol-3-yl)ethanone)
JWH-200 (1-[2-(4-Morpholinyl)ethyl]-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole)
JWH-122 (1-Pentyl-3-(4-methyl-1-naphthoyl)indole)
JWH-018 (1-Pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole)

What testing has the government done? None. So how would they even know what its effects are?
Why is it banning these substances? Simply because it mimics cannabis. Perhaps they should make a drug to mimic alcohol, politicians would receive it more warmly due to their ignorance and stupidity.
Is this complete and utter bullshit? I think the community can decide.

It appears cannabinoids are on the evil list despite the fact alcohol is the drug that most affects our communities.

Many years ago cannabis was legal...alcohol was not.

Now it's turned the other way around.

I've never encountered cannabis related violence, maybe some commercial growers get into that shit, I certainly don't....I'm not commercial and neither are the majority of people on this site.

It's illegal for us to have a quiet smoke at home.

Yet the violence in most capital cities of Australia is alcohol related and fuelled legally.

It's just freaking bullshit.

 

[Tathagata]

It appears cannabinoids are on the evil list despite the fact alcohol is the drug that most affects our communities.

Many years ago cannabis was legal...alcohol was not.

Now it's turned the other way around.

I've never encountered cannabis related violence, maybe some commercial growers get into that shit, I certainly don't....I'm not commercial and neither are the majority of people on this site.

It's illegal for us to have a quiet smoke at home.

Yet the violence in most capital cities of Australia is alcohol related and fuelled legally.

It's just freaking bullshit.

I have to agree. Ive been watching and reading a lot on this subject recently and the more I learn the angrier I become.

I can see no reason why this plant or substitutes are illegal and frowned upon, its simply crazy.

It just goes to show that even our respected elders and holders of esteemed positions can be just as gullible and easily led as anyone.

Disappointing.

 

[AfroSheep]

What it proves is lies from 80-90 years ago about cannabis still exist, and are believed by the general public.

Dam governments and there reefer madness, the devils weed! hahaha.

Peace.

 

[PhenoMenal]

"Final decisions & reasons for decisions by delegates of the Secretary to the Department of Health and Ageing", specifically regarding synthetic cannabinoids.
(MS Word Document or PDF, take your pick)

http://www.tga.gov.au/pdf/scheduling/scheduling-decisions-1107-final.pdf
http://www.tga.gov.au/word/scheduling/scheduling-decisions-1107-final.doc

Basically it just confirms that the 7 synthetic cannabinoids I listed in the first post are banned nation-wide, but it goes into the whole thing in much greater detail.

Why they only banned these 7 I'm not sure, my guess is that those are the only synthetic cannabinoids they've found so far in products such as Kronic.

I think you'd be CRAZY to now buy any of those herbal mixes like Kronic/K2/etc, because they never list which cannabinoids they use so you can never tell if it's legal or not, and even if they change to a different synthetic cannabinoid it probably wouldn't be too long before the list of banned synthetic cannabinoids is appended.

It's definitely not Game Over yet though, they might've banned 7 but there's still half a thousand others out there (John W Huffman alone created some 450 over 20 years), some of which can be purchased online quite easily.

 

[PhenoMenal]

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[GP73LPC]

here what has been identified and will soon be illegal in my part of the US

any quantity of a synthetic chemical compound that
is a cannabinoid receptor agonist and mimics the pharmacological
effect of naturally occurring cannabinoids, including:
naphthoylindoles structurally derived from
3-(1-naphthoyl)indole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the
indole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl,
or 2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in
the indole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted in the
napthyl ring to any extent, including:
JWH-004;
JWH-007;
JWH-009;
JWH-015;
JWH-016;
JWH-018;
JWH-019;
JWH-020;
JWH-046;
JWH-047;
JWH-048;
JWH-049;
JWH-050;
JWH-070;
JWH-071;
JWH-072;
JWH-073;
JWH-076;
JWH-079;
JWH-080;
JWH-081;
JWH-082;
JWH-094;
JWH-096;
JWH-098;
JWH-116;
JWH-120;
JWH-122;
JWH-148;
JWH-149;
JWH-180;
JWH-181;
JWH-182;
JWH-189;
JWH-193;
JWH-198;
JWH-200;
JWH-210;
JWH-211;
JWH-212;
JWH-213;
JWH-234;
JWH-235;
JWH-236;
JWH-239;
JWH-240;
JWH-241;
JWH-242;
JWH-262;
JWH-386;
JWH-387;
JWH-394;
JWH-395;
JWH-397;
JWH-398;
JWH-399;
JWH-400;
JWH-412;
JWH-413;
JWH-414; and
JWH-415;
naphthylmethylindones structurally derived from
1H-indol-3-yl-(1-naphthyl)methane by substitution at the nitrogen
atom of the indole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl,
cycloalkylethyl, or 2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further
substituted in the indole ring to any extent, whether or not
substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent, including:
JWH-175;
JWH-184;
JWH-185;
JWH-192;
JWH-194;
JWH-195;
JWH-196;
JWH-197; and
JWH-199;
naphthoylpyrroles structurally derived from
3-(1-naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the
pyrrole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl,
or 2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in
the pyrrole ring to any extent, whether or not substituted in the
naphthyl ring to any extent, including:
JWH-030;
JWH-145;
JWH-146;
JWH-147;
JWH-150;
JWH-156;
JWH-243;
JWH-244;
JWH-245;
JWH-246;
JWH-292;
JWH-293;
JWH-307;
JWH-308;
JWH-346;
JWH-348;
JWH-363;
JWH-364;
JWH-365;
JWH-367;
JWH-368;
JWH-369;
JWH-370;
JWH-371;
JWH-373; and
JWH-392;
naphthylmethylindenes structurally derived from
1-(1-naphthylmethyl)indene by substitution at the 3-position of
the indene ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl,
cycloalkylethyl, or 2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further
substituted in the indene ring to any extent, whether or not
substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent, including JWH-176;
phenylacetylindoles structurally derived from
3-phenylacetylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the
indole ring with alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl,
cycloalkylethyl, or 2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further
substituted in the indole ring to any extent, whether or not
substituted in the phenyl ring to any extent, including:
JWH-167;
JWH-201;
JWH-202;
JWH-203;
JWH-204;
JWH-205;
JWH-206;
JWH-207;
JWH-208;
JWH-209;
JWH-237;
JWH-248;
JWH-249;
JWH-250;
JWH-251;
JWH-252;
JWH-253;
JWH-302;
JWH-303;
JWH-304;
JWH-305;
JWH-306;
JWH-311;
JWH-312;
JWH-313;
JWH-314;
JWH-315; and
JWH-316;
cyclohexylphenols structurally derived from
2-(3-hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol by substitution at the 5-position of
the phenolic ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl,
cycloalkylethyl, or 2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not
substituted in the cyclohexyl ring to any extent, including:
CP-55,940;
CP-47,497; and
analogues of CP-47,497, including VII, V,
VIII, I, II, III, IV, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XV, and XVI; and
cannabinol derivatives, except where contained in
cannabis or cannabis resin, including tetrahydro derivatives of
cannabinol and 3-alkyl homologues of cannabinol or of its
tetrahydro derivatives, such as:
delta-9-THC;
delta-8-THC;
Nabilone;
HU-210;
HU-211; and
WIN-55,212-2.

 

[GP73LPC]

look for the DEA to go after these soon ^^^^^^^


EDIT: sorry, just realized i'm in the australia/new zealand forum...

 

[tr1ck_]

You guys can bitch about the banning of these synthetic cannabinoids but they ARE NOT SAFE.

I have multiple friends who hit this stuff hard due to drug tests, almost all of them ended up getting seizures from it. The "High" is similar, but more racey, there also does not seem to be the same ceiling that THC has, when people push the boundaries you can get hallucinations, and then seizures. If you smoke enough you can also go temporarily blind. Please don't smoke this stuff if you have real cannabis available.

There has also been multiple deaths from this crap. Something that Marijuana hasn't been able to do since the beginning of time, these synthetics have been able to do multiple times in less than a few years.

 

[Guest50138]

Pheno I believe that our so called government has come under pressure from the mining and minerals council about these products..they don't have a doping test for them is why, they much prefer that their employees be addicted to alcohol..beer barons and mining magnates looking after one another ..just my opinion for what its worth..if it was a couple of junkies OD-ing on shit it wouldn't raise an eyebrow

 

[PhenoMenal]

You guys can bitch about the banning of these synthetic cannabinoids but they ARE NOT SAFE.

APPARENTLY NATURAL CANNABIS ISN'T SAFE EITHER! They say it causes psychosis, depression, etc etc etc.

How can you say so definitively "THEY ARE NOT SAFE" when there's hardly been ANY testing of them? MAYBE they're not safe, but MAYBE they're just as relatively harmless as any natural cannabinoid - they are afterall so closely related structurally/chemically.

These Kronic-like smokes have been around for over 7 years now, probably a lot longer in some cases, and you don't hear too often about adverse affects other than 13yo teenagers losing their mind cos they think its some hallucinogen or something. I've smoked a fair bit of it, from various suppliers, and it is a very cannabis-like stone, and I've never had any problems with it. Each to their own eh?

I live in WA and if I even so much as have THC in my farts I'm looking at 2 years in jail or a $2000 fine, so growing is extremely risky at the moment. Synthetic cannabinoids on the other hand are not in the same schedule, and indeed many are still legal. Just another thing to consider.

 

[PhenoMenal]

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[PhenoMenal]

An interesting update ... today police in Perth raided at least one supplier of Kronic's new "Black Label" mix ... which only became available by its New Zealand maker yesterday! It purports to contain none of the cannabinoids that were in the initial list of 7 banned.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/9933198/police-confiscate-new-legal-kronic/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-28/new-kronic-being-sold/2814612

It will be taken away for testing, but the police said if it is confirmed that it doesn't have any of the 7 banned cannabinoids then they'd be forced to return it to the supplier they raided. (He'll then probably have just under a month or so to sell it all before the government adds whatever cannabinoids it found in the new mix to the banned list)

This is the cat-and-mouse game, like virus vs antivirus. As soon as they ban one they just change the recipe to use a different cannabinoid.

There are two options - regulation, similar to alcohol and tobacco, or simply a blanket ban on all synthetic cannabinoids like GP73LPC posted earlier in this thread, which would be a very, very sad day indeed ... who knows what potential these cannabinoids can have in medicine, in helping cancer, MS patients and so on.

 

[GP73LPC]

well said... ^^^

 

[tr1ck_]

APPARENTLY NATURAL CANNABIS ISN'T SAFE EITHER! They say it causes psychosis, depression, etc etc etc.

How can you say so definitively "THEY ARE NOT SAFE" when there's hardly been ANY testing of them? MAYBE they're not safe, but MAYBE they're just as relatively harmless as any natural cannabinoid - they are afterall so closely related structurally/chemically.

These Kronic-like smokes have been around for over 7 years now, probably a lot longer in some cases, and you don't hear too often about adverse affects other than 13yo teenagers losing their mind cos they think its some hallucinogen or something. I've smoked a fair bit of it, from various suppliers, and it is a very cannabis-like stone, and I've never had any problems with it. Each to their own eh?

I live in WA and if I even so much as have THC in my farts I'm looking at 2 years in jail or a $2000 fine, so growing is extremely risky at the moment. Synthetic cannabinoids on the other hand are not in the same schedule, and indeed many are still legal. Just another thing to consider.

I have been around people smoking cannabis for 10+ years and the worst thing I have seen is someone get lightheaded and tunnel vision from smoking too much and standing up fast.

Within 3 months of my friends smoking this fake cannabis shit, 3 of them have had seizures, and more of their friends have experienced them as well. I am 100% sure this stuff IS NOT safe based on my evidence I saw with my own eyes. I'll take that any day over some test or study which is probably biased anyways.

Read this article, and the comments: http://stash.norml.org/k2-fake-pot-linked-to-30-cases-of-severe-reactions-in-st-louis

 

[PhenoMenal]

tr1cky mate can you please let us know exactly which blend and brand were they smoking??? cheers

 

[sso]

what amazes me is that in this day and age, there are still people who think the government is useful and beneficial

LoL

just look at the cannabis war, can you imagine their trackrecord is better elsewhere?

we are talking about the most total losers on the planet.

 

[Euphrates]

I was wondering about these RC's and IC's view and thoughts on them..

I would say these drugs are far less safe than cannabis, but have no proof most of you crave, though I could probably find some stuff - but the fact that this stuff is so new, there isn't going to be a whole lot out there besides peoples personal experiences.

I actually don't want to advocate the use of these, even tho I've been rather tempted to try them out, does anyone know if there's a bill in the works to ban these substances ? I don't believe there is.


Besides to sticking w/ original cannabis, I would say if your going to try these chemicals, to stay away from the blends -

 

[PhenoMenal]

I would say these drugs are far less safe than cannabis

Again that is PURE speculation, and you know it - flip a coin next time huh?

There are probably more synthetic cannabinoids than natural ones (John W Huffman alone created over 450 synthetics). Some are CB1 agonists, some are CB2 agonist, some are both. Some are highly selective, others not. Some are far more potent than THC, others far weaker.

WHO KNOWS what MEDICAL USES each individual one can have? Well, by banning them we may never know.

What do you do when you have a flu or cold? An allergy? Most of you take synthetic drugs. Have cancer? You'd be crazy not to take synthetic drugs.

Every individual cannabinoid - synthetic or natural - must be treated on its own merits. You cannot simply put a blanket over all synthetic cannabinoids and label them "dangerous", and all natural cannabinoids "harmless". Even THC in its natural form is neurotoxic, especially in the hippocampus as noted by The Journal Of Neuroscience - interestingly it's speculated that CBD helps counter this toxicity.

People get admitted to hospital every year simply for smoking too much pot - natural cannabinoids, as well as affects from long-term use, so we can't simply gloss over natural cannabinoids as being perfectly harmless either.

Let's leave room for common sense here, and treat every _individual_ cannabinoid on its own merit.

but have no proof most of you crave, though I could probably find some stuff

I can Google too - and find plenty of information about how "bad" natural cannabis is too
Anyone up for psychosis? Skitzophrenia? Depression? Memory loss? Anxiety? Impaired sperm production? etc etc etc. These all come about as a result of the NATURAL cannabinoids in cannabis.

I would say if your going to try these chemicals, to stay away from the blends

That's kinda like saying "smoke hash, but stay clear of buds". Blends are simply relatively tame herbal smokes such as damiana, mixed with one or two synthetic cannabinoids. Whether you smoke the synthetic cannabinoids on their own, or mixed with damiana, makes very little difference. If there is a particular synthetic cannabinoid that's leaving certain people more prone to seizures then it doesn't matter if you smoke it on its own, or in a blend.

However, having said that, if you want to steer clear of a particular synth cannabinoid then yes you should steer clear of all blends, simply because blends rarely disclose which cannabinoids they use, unfortunately.

I'd love to stick to natural cannabis, but if I have so much as 10 grams then the WA government is sending my ass to jail for 2 years. (With the recent relaxing of alcohol laws they only want us to get shitfaced and violent on piss ... if we smoke pot we might just relax or something, and we can't have that!!!).
Just another thing to consider ...

 

[CLOWD11]

I think there was another thread here on IC about raising the same concerns you have. From what ive read and seen id agree with you that this fake stuff is rubbish and should not be considered safe simply because it says canna on the label.
Some doco had users saying it was causing heaps of trouble amongst themselves. What they described would make using this fake stuff a very high risk for brain damage.
If people are so desperate and want to play russian roulette with their brain by smoking mystery chemicals, they might as well start chroming, hell of a lot cheaper.

I have been around people smoking cannabis for 10+ years and the worst thing I have seen is someone get lightheaded and tunnel vision from smoking too much and standing up fast.

Within 3 months of my friends smoking this fake cannabis shit, 3 of them have had seizures, and more of their friends have experienced them as well. I am 100% sure this stuff IS NOT safe based on my evidence I saw with my own eyes. I'll take that any day over some test or study which is probably biased anyways.

Read this article, and the comments: http://stash.norml.org/k2-fake-pot-linked-to-30-cases-of-severe-reactions-in-st-louis