Quick Bubble Box versus Bubble Bag Question

[mayan]

OK...I feel a bit silly to be asking this but here goes...I know that the Bubble Box (and Tumble Now) screens are 70u. However the larger Bubble Bag sets also contain at least two or three meshes that are smaller.

My further understanding is that with the BubbleBox and TumbleNow, the pilgrim is seeking the sift that remains on the screen - NOT the stuff that falls through to the black poly plate. If that's the case, don't the smaller heads -typically caught by Bubble bags (45u, etc.) end up falling through the Bubblebox and TumbleNow 70u screens? If was my understanding that some of the choicest material ended up in these smaller mesh bags, whereas using the dry methods, these trichs would end up in the sorta, kinda trash pile for cooking or whatever.

I realize that I may have my head entirely up my nether regions and am just not getting the concept but kind (and patient) assistance in helping me understand would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

 

[Chamba]

I know that the Bubble Box (and Tumble Now) screens are 70u

Actually, the Tumble Now cylinder mesh is a 125 micron or 120 lines per inch stainless steel mesh, the flat screen that sits underneath on the pull-out drawer is 70 micron or 200 lines per inch mono-filament synthetic mesh.

http://aqualabtechnologies.com/medi...w/tumble-now-rotator-dry-sifting-machine.html


The Bubble box has three screen frames : 140, 107 & 70 micron mono-filament synthetic meshes.

http://aqualabtechnologies.com/medical-equipment/dry-sifting-screens/bubble-box.html

and also check out Bubbleman's set of 4 screen frames for dry sifting plant essences. This set consists of a 160 micron stainless steel screen frame on top and the 3 other finer meshes are the same mesh sizes as the Bubble box, but are larger frames.

http://aqualabtechnologies.com/medi...reens/dry-sift-screen-set-by-bubble-bags.html

If was my understanding that some of the choicest material ended up in these smaller mesh bags, whereas using the dry methods, these trichs would end up in the sorta, kinda trash pile for cooking or whatever.

not really,

regarding dry sifting and ice water extractions, here's a few points/observations to keep in mind.....in my opinion, regardless of the extraction method, resin heads that are within the 70 ~ 105 micron range have the best high and are usually 85%+ of the plant's resin yield (from mature plants). Ice water extracted resins are flushed through the finer meshes (25 ~ 70 micron) much more easily than if dry sifted....but there's a lot more to it than that, do search through the hashish forum for lots of info about dry sifting and hash extractions

 

[Gray Wolf]

What Chamba said!

The goodness below 70 microns is mixed with the ultra fines. Alas, you can't yield 100% without contaminating your kif with inactive plant matter.

I once dried the ring in the bottom of the bucket following the 25 micron bag and smoked it to test for medicinal effect.

Earthy, green, and harsh best describes the taste and smoothness, but it did in fact have some medicinal properties.

What I do now, is just solvent extract everything that falls through the 73 micron screen.

 

[mayan]

Thanks for the illuminations, chamba and Grey Wolf. I (and my brain cells) appreciate muchly.

 

[Chamba]

Ice water extracted resins are flushed through the finer meshes (25 ~ 70 micron) much more easily than if dry sifted.

.....due to the effects of floating/suspended plant matter and flow of water forcing the heavier, lower situated resin heads through the mesh(es).

with dry sifting and finer meshes there are several techniques to help separate the broken up plant matter from the psychoactive essences....many are in Clarke's book, the "bible" of all things hashish, especially dry sifting, the book "Hashish", one described is about a room of Afghans passing and smoking a pipe as well as passing around a bag of fine mesh quarter filled with good quality dry sifted resin, the bag is repeatedly lifted up and dropped...each time the bag bottoms out a cloud of dust (powdered leaf) billows out, over time this technique will purify the resin inside the bag. Other techniques you can use to purify dry sift with fine meshes are with vibration and carding, vacuuming, resifting etc etc..another is to gently dry sift for a short duration yielding about 25%~50% of the resin on the starting material (this first sift will be very clean) , then Bubblebag the plant matter to remove the remaining resin, when the ice hash has been dried, combine the both (this technique produces excellent quality and reaps the maximum yield..so much so I wonder why many more don't do this..the important point to keep in mind is to only gently dry sift the material, don't crush or grind it up too much, if at all!)....there's lots of different techniques, all work well depending on your time, effort, equipment and plant material.

and I'm sure there are others that could make use of the fact that resin is heavier and the rubbish is lighter..and the fact that resin heads are spherical and broken up plant matter is odd shaped....instead of using cold water and gravity, maybe a dry sifter will develop a new technique that uses the effects of forced air (or turbulence) to purify resin?

 

[Chamba]

instead of using cold water and gravity, maybe a dry sifter will develop a new technique that uses the effects of forced air (or turbulence) to purify resin?

perhaps a technique using air could be developed to trap resin heads on a slanted surface that is corrugated (after dual or triple mesh dry sifting) to attain absolute purity? hmmm..maybe not.lol

I know that excellent quality can be attained via very gently isolating resin heads within a narrow range of mesh sizes (for example isolating resin between 85 and 100 micron meshes..or between 80 and 105 micron etc), then by placing the dry sifted resin in a 60, 70 or 80 micron bag then using the lift and drop technique....but you need quality starting material, it's time consuming and the yields are low, but if you are after the quality that really impresses, then that's one way to go about it.

Happy Dry Sifting!

 

[Chamba]

the lift and drop fine bag technique need not be a run to waste system..simply place the drop and lift fine mesh bag inside a larger sized 25 micron bag..this outer bag would need to be separated from (not touching) the 60 ~ 80 micron bag or the purifying effects would be less effective

another way would to use suction/vacuum power instead of the lift and drop technique..this way it could be automated...but once again the eg 25 micron mesh would need to be separated from the eg 80 micron bag (containing the resin that's about to purified)..perhaps sections of a large diameter pipe with segmented with two meshes (-->resin 80//25//vacuum power) this way the 80 ~ 25 micron sized resin would not go to waste....the resin above the 80 micron mesh would probably need to be agitated, vibrated or rotated to ensure the more efficient sifting/separation.

there's lots of ways to do things once you put your mind to it......

 

[mayan]

Very interesting, Chamba - wow, July seems so very long ago! And also just yesterday.

What about taking the stuff left on the 70 micron screen and then running it through -at least- the 45 micron bubblebag. Fool's errand? Or further refinement? The OCD of the unrepentant kief sifter!

 

[Chamba]

What about taking the stuff left on the 70 micron screen and then running it through -at least- the 45 micron bubblebag.

The resin that is sitting on the 70 micron mesh (after cleaning it) will contain mostly particles that are 70 micron or greater in size.....so, in that case it would be useless to run that resin over a smaller mesh. Use a magnifying glass to check out the 70 micron mesh resin and if there is still more contaminant than you'd like, then continue cleaning it.

If you are interested in widening your knowledge about dry sifting and hashing in general, do a search through my posts here in the Hashish forum, as I often comment on those threads......and you'll read lots of posts from the many experienced hashers here in on ICmag.

Happy Hashing!

 

[mayan]

Thanks, Chamba...I am always interested in expanding my knowledge of all things "hashish" and very much appreciate your posts for that reason.