There is a house inpector here being sued to the tune of $190.000 for missing a grow-op in a house here in BC not sure what the details are but this is just come up. I can't see how this tool will make a lot of money as landlords don't charge a ton of cash for their places in the first place so paying this asshole extra to watch this shit is just stupid. This is why assholes that start grow and screw up a house are just that ,,assholes!! Living with mold makes everyone sick including the growers lol peace out Headband707
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Private security firms plan on using FLIR to scare renters.
- Thread starter EasyBakeIndica
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If you look at an IR led with night vision it's like looking into the sun nearly and taking a picture. Several led's placed around windows, doors and vents will be detected by FLIR as major heat losses so they operator will have to adjust and balance the camera in order to take a picture. It definitely will piss of the operator and he will likely tell the landlord that something is up too.
The the IR broadcaster costs about $0.15 cents per LED, installing them on houses where there is no grow and nothing to hide is the trick.
Let landlords pay the high price of inspections a few times and waste some time and money inspecting clean legit rentals and they will stop using inspection service.
But things like this always make me wonder why people allow it. I mean if I looked out the window and there was a guy driving around the block like a prowler or child molester I'll have the entire neighborhood out and on his ass in minutes.
If they install a camera outside my house I will set up and install a lazer to blind it or I'll silence a .17 cal and take it out from a distance. But I'm not going to sit on my ass and whine while somebody invades my privacy and peaks through my walls while my daughter showers. And if I catch somebody taking pictures thru my walls they will go to the hospital and I'll argue it to a jury.
.17 cal ? aint that a bb gun LOL
Remember the key words here infrared camera
If you eliminate as much infrared heat energy as you can from your grow the chance of detection drops way down to almost zero and would likely only be seen if you had a very hot room with an open grow compared to the rest of the apartment or home temps. You need an air conditioned room even if it's just the regular A/C running in the place with a quality growtent like a Growlab that has IR insulating material on it's walls placed in the middle of the room away from any exterior walls or windows and the layer of air space around it should nearly match the rest of the house which is not hard to do with LED lighting and some basic intake/exhaust for the tent to refresh the air constantly. They can use the FLIR on this set-up all they want but it's not going to show up.
I'm not 100% on this one SOTF... concern being that when we grow, all we do in use equipment to transfer the heat load... from the primary source of the lights, to outside the house.
If we use an a/c... either we have the heat exchanger outside, or are using tubes/fans to vent it outside.
If we aircool the hoods, we are again venting to the outside.
Either of those two activities will light up a FLIR... either the heat exchanger is glowing white, or there is a nice wide plume from one of the windows or roof vents.
Unless we are exchanging heat through the ground... it's going to show somewhere... to anyone that goes looking around... assuming anything over 4K a firin.
Here in the States... SC ruling essentially states that they can't use one of these as primary evidence for a warranted search... they need a tip first, then flyby & power checks are cool. Since this is a private firm, doing checks for private homeowners...???
LOL a lot of people think so. I bought 4 of em from the manufacturer before they were even publicly available.
.17 HMR on the left and .22 Mag on the right
.17 HMR on the left, .22 Long Rifle on the right.
The .17 HMR round is similar to rounds developed by dedicated rimfire wildcatters who worked to create a rimfire cartridge with an exceptionally flat trajectory. These wildcatters were seeking to match the ballistics of the obsolete 5mm Remington Magnum Rimfire, which was made from 1970 to 1974, and was to that point the fastest rimfire cartridge ever produced.[3] With 5mm (.20 caliber) diameter barrels and bullets being virtually unavailable at the time (the 5mm RMR was the last commercial 5mm round until the 2004 release of the centerfire .204 Ruger), the commercially available .17 caliber became their bullet of choice. The .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire was the logical parent case, rather than 5mm RMR (with its unique case head size, which requires a significantly different bolt and magazine), because it was commonly available, and it is a far larger and stronger case than the next largest .22 Long Rifle. The .17 caliber wildcats not only met, but far exceeded the 5 mm RMR's velocities and flat trajectory. The accuracy of these cartridges was also quite good. However, the downrange energy of the 5mm RMR is superior to both .22 WMR and .17 HMR, so there is still potential in the 5mm rimfire for wildcatters.[4]
Hornady, in conjunction with Marlin Firearms and Sturm, Ruger, followed much the same path. With the .22 WMR case as the starting point, a simple barrel change was sufficient for most .22 WMR firearms to chamber the new cartridge. In 2002 the first rifles and ammunition began appearing on the market, and the .17 HMR was an instant hit. While the ammunition was relatively expensive due to the high-performance .17 caliber bullets used, it was still cheaper than most centerfire ammunition. The availability of moderately priced and accurate firearms from Marlin and Ruger (leaders in the rimfire rifle market) plus the backing of a major ammunition maker allowed the .17 HMR to quickly gain momentum. Other makers of firearms and ammunition soon introduced .17 HMR offerings.[2]
Since they are doing this as agents of the landlord it is ONLY legal (in the USA) IF permission of the tenant is obtained. I am going to assume that the landlord has the right to FLIR the house is in the lease. If it is not in the lease and the security firm FLIRs the house they are breaking the law and invading the privacy of the renter.
How about this, if you are going to lease do so with VERY strict right to inspect for the land lord. Something like LandLord has a right to inspect no more than annually, and only within the last 30 days of the leasehold period and never with less than two weeks notice. The landlord shall have no other right to enter the property during the lease hold and the landlord is guaranteeing tenants quiet enjoyment of the leasehold.
How about this, if you are going to lease do so with VERY strict right to inspect for the land lord. Something like LandLord has a right to inspect no more than annually, and only within the last 30 days of the leasehold period and never with less than two weeks notice. The landlord shall have no other right to enter the property during the lease hold and the landlord is guaranteeing tenants quiet enjoyment of the leasehold.
The cops in the U.S. provide this "service" for free.
Besides helicopters flying overhead looking for heat signatures, cops in cars ride around and point them at houses. If you own the home, you are risking seizure, so owning the home does not remove your risk. A buddy has one of these, and i have seen it in action.
Very easy to spot grows.
What I would like to know is:
Is there a foolproof insulation that will effectively block it?
Cops in large metro areas are already using these.
Besides helicopters flying overhead looking for heat signatures, cops in cars ride around and point them at houses. If you own the home, you are risking seizure, so owning the home does not remove your risk. A buddy has one of these, and i have seen it in action.
Very easy to spot grows.
What I would like to know is:
Is there a foolproof insulation that will effectively block it?
Cops in large metro areas are already using these.
Keep in mind they need a warrant here in the US before they even think about using flir on a private residence. In this guys case...a renter would have to 'sign' this right away in the rental agreement. Another reason to carefully read what you sign.
Canada is open season though...
Canada is open season though...
fuckem, just IR insulate the walls of the room with something like reflectix. They make IR blocking materials right?
Shouldn't be a problem, these fuckers are relentless though!
O and if you grow in a basement you're good right? Blow exhaust air out dryer vent?
Shouldn't be a problem, these fuckers are relentless though!
O and if you grow in a basement you're good right? Blow exhaust air out dryer vent?
Plants & trees in front of your grow windows go a long way. No windows are even better. LED lights with no infrared light are best I'm just going to keep saying it until people realize it's worth the extra money for the peace of mind and you can get solid yields as well with current technology if you don't buy the cheap chinese crap.
Plants & trees in front of your grow windows go a long way. No windows are even better. LED lights with no infrared light are best I'm just going to keep saying it until people realize it's worth the extra money for the peace of mind and you can get solid yields as well with current technology if you don't buy the cheap chinese crap.
Prove it!
But for real, have yet to see an LED yield near an hps grams per watt. Way more expensive? not realistic for commercial growers? jw, no disrespect intended. Would be nice for a closet grow ?
In general LED outyields HPS in grams per watt calculations that is kind of old news
Check out my Swt #4 grow in the link in my sig, that was all under 2 Lumigrow ES 330's with some HO T5's around the perimeter of the canopy! Whole thing was under 1k watts.
Check out my Swt #4 grow in the link in my sig, that was all under 2 Lumigrow ES 330's with some HO T5's around the perimeter of the canopy! Whole thing was under 1k watts.
I do believe you, I just can't afford to implement the idea.
The guy is an ex-cop so tell me he isn't working with the cops .. I still can't see anyone paying this guy unless they own a lot of properties or the city somehow someway makes them do this. This seems like some bullshit to me. With these camera they brought back from the war they can see people running in the house let alone the grows so they can see it all. They have it all figured out here and they learned all this shit from the DEA when they came here in 2005 and didn't leave and brought all their toys with them. We have been getting busted ever since .They have some of the worst laws I've seen since they got here and no one seems to be able to stop them and I know I have had enough of this shit. peace out Headband707
small grows should be ok as long as you don't sell out of the house or around the corner...or draw attention to yourself. I think larger grows should be in warehouses... even 4-6k is pushing the limits in a house in my opinion. Because when it comes down to it, if your electricity is so much more than you're neighbors, cops love to follow up on those leads if you are ever suspected/ on their radar.
pay your bills and flip/flop lights all you want but we all know cops take the total monthly electric use over a span of time and compare it to your neighbors.
pay your bills and flip/flop lights all you want but we all know cops take the total monthly electric use over a span of time and compare it to your neighbors.
seal and cool your grow. flir can be beaten. my buddy had 30k and they targeted his grow several times with no results. spend the money and do it right and no worries
I would say that Prodex is way better than Reflectix. Prodex is a vapor barrier, a great insulator, and IR barrier!
I'd still line the walls and ceiling of a basement with Prodex if FLIR was a concern.
tek foil from farmtek rules. you can get 6 ft rolls and order several thicknesses. make a room within a room and double insulate both add ac and forget about flir
Growlab makes some big tents that are already IR blocking, they are very high quality and sturdy. You could put a large one right in the middle of your room and that is your room within a room and some are more than big enough to run multiple large lights in with proper ventilation and cooling in the room. Again, the biggest thing FLIR see's is not just some heat escaping from a window but the Infrared light/heat energy which is absorbed by the structure and walls from an open room grow and glows like a lightbulb at night from above with their IR camera. You need to either eliminate this IR in your grow by using LED lighting or block this IR light/heat energy from being absorbed by your structure and heating it up. There are multiple ways to get to the finish line here and a little bit of effort and expense upfront will give you some serious peace of mind and likely save your ass too so take this very seriously! FLIR is pretty common place now as well, most LEO helicopters have it. 
