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Important! Omega 3/ CB1 connection!

Storm Crow

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I gather MMJ studies from PubMed and medical journals. I came across something important for the medical community, and maybe even you “recreational stoners”, too!

Everyone knows about the circulatory system, and the digestive system- they are pretty obvious to the naked eye. But there is another less obvious system -the cannabinoid receptor system.

On the surface of your cells, there are chemical receptors that sort of work like an ignition switch in a car. The right shaped chemical will fit into the receptor’s “key hole” and it “turns on” some action.

This could be almost anything- from telling a cancer cell it’s time to die, to activating the suckling instinct in an infant, to soothing your upset stomach to making you feel “just a little bit too good”! (For more info on the cannabinoid receptors and what they do, see (1) for the short FOXNEWS version, or (2) for a real education!)

The reason cannabis works, is that our bodies make their own types of cannabinoids, endocannabinoids that “turn on” the receptors, setting off all sorts of reactions. The plant cannabinoids, THC and CBD, happen to fit in our body’s cannabinoid system’s “key holes” and can fill in for a deficiency in the production of your own endocannabinoids. The CB1 receptor is responsible for getting you high, and a lot more.

On to the abstract I found - (Where you see “n-3 PUFAs”, read Omega 3.)

“Nutritional omega-3 deficiency abolishes endocannabinoid-mediated neuronal functions.”

The corollaries of the obesity epidemic that plagues developed societies are malnutrition and resulting biochemical imbalances. Low levels of essential n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (n-3 PUFAs) have been linked to neuropsychiatric diseases, but the underlying synaptic alterations are mostly unknown. We found that lifelong n-3 PUFAs dietary insufficiency specifically ablates long-term synaptic depression mediated by endocannabinoids in the prelimbic prefrontal cortex and accumbens. In n-3-deficient mice, presynaptic cannabinoid CB(1) receptors (CB(1)Rs) normally responding to endocannabinoids were uncoupled from their effector G(i/o) proteins. Finally, the dietary-induced reduction of CB(1)R functions in mood-controlling structures was associated with impaired emotional behavior. These findings identify a plausible synaptic substrate for the behavioral alterations caused by the n-3 PUFAs deficiency that is often observed in western diets.

Granny’s translation – “The US diet sucks big time and we are fat, undernourished, and crazy because of it. We get WAY too much Omega 6 and not enough Omega 3. Not getting enough Omega 3 can make you crazy because without it, the CB1 cannabinoid receptors in your brain aren’t made right- a chunk that is supposed to be attached, isn’t! Broken receptors give you “impaired emotional behavior”. So we think it’s the low Omega 3 diet is making the US totally nuts!” :crazy:

Now, since the CB1 receptors are not working right because of that broken piece, does this also mean that people who have been deficient in Omega 3 for a while are missing out on the full medical benefits- and their maximum high?

The two most popular forms of Omega 3 supplements are fish oils and flax seed oil. Fish oil may be contaminated with mercury- so many people prefer flax seed oil. Flax is fine, but has a few minor problems nutritionally- look it up if you are curious.

But there is another plant oil that is an even better source of Omega 3 than flax seed oil……….hemp seed oil! (3)The very thing we need to make our CB receptors work at their best is in the hemp plant! Cannabis is the source of the cannabinoids that we need to heal ourselves and the source of the Omega 3 we need for our receptors to do their jobs properly!

A loss of CB1 receptors has been shown in Huntington’s Disease, premature birthing, Alzheimer’s, intestinal tumors, Parkinson’s and other conditions. It seems reasonable to assume that defective CB receptors would not replicate as well as normal ones would. We need the Omega 3 to make healthy, functioning CB1 receptors!

Some of you by now are thinking “Well, I’m totally up the creek! Never took a fish oil capsule in my life, I hate fish, never even seen hemp seed oil, and I eat at KFC and McDs! My poor old CB receptors must be deformed as heck, and I’ll never get them working right!":badday:


Guess what? Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain! :jump:(4) So if you were getting Omega 3s, it would seem logical that the newly-formed brain cells would be normal and healthy! Omega 3 might just be as good for your “head”, as it is for your heart!

But will just popping a few fish or hemp oil caps get you higher, or healthier, tonight? Not right away, but if you keep it up, those neurons with the defective CB1 receptors will be replaced with healthier, working ones! It takes a minimum of 3 weeks for Omega 3’s anti-depressant effects to begin to show, so it seems likely that around a month would be needed for effects to show up medically.

For medical users, Omega 3 may make the difference between health and sickness! Without sufficient, working CB1 receptors, cannabis is less efficient at healing us!

I think the Omega 3 / CB1 connection is vitally important for not just the medical cannabis community, but the whole medical community! (And the stoners may even appreciate it, too! :smoke:)


Granny :wave:


(1) Are You Cannabis Deficient? (news - 2010)
http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/10/are-you-cannabis-deficient/

(2) Clinical Endocannabinoid Deficiency (full - 2004)
http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/clinical.pdf

(3) Nutritional Profile and Benefits of Hemp Seed, Nut, and Oil (full - 2003) http://www.drbronner.com/pdf/hempnutrition.pdf

(4) Marijuana might cause new cell growth in the brain (news – 2005) http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8155

More on Omega 3-

Deficiency of Dietary Omega-3 May Explain Depressive Behaviors (abst - 2011) http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Defic...May+Explain+Depressive+Behaviors.-a0248155576

Omega-3 fatty acids increase brain volume: while reversing many aspects of neurologic aging. (full – 2010) http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Omega...n+volume:+while+reversing+many...-a0237529250

Wise up!
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Wise+up+with+omega-3:+can+omega-3+benefit+brain+health?-a0213232330

O-3 & heart
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/New+O...ctor+of+Coronary+Heart+Disease...-a0206090424

O-6 vs. O-3 ratio
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Omega...e+Shocking+Reality+That+Ruins...-a01073970178

How Long Before Fish Oil Works on Depression to Lift Your Mood?
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Long-Before-Fish-Oil-Works-on-Depression-to-Lift-Your-Mood?&id=4229948
 

SOTF420

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Nice post thanks for that, I'm gonna eat some more sushi today and smoke some grapefruity frosty right now gotta keep those receptors healthy! :canabis:
 

spurr

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Hey,

Great find, I need to read it again, but for now: what's the synopsis? Omega 3 = good for CB1 receptors with respect to THC?

FWIW, the best fish oil is from Nordic Naturals. It's molecularly distilled from natural triglyceride (N-TG) form into ethyl ester (EE) form, and then converted into re-esterified triglyceride (RE-TG) form (aka synthetic triglyceride (S-TG) form). The synthetic form of Nordic Naturals offers the highest bio-availability of Omega 3 (DHA and EPA) of all three forms listed (i.e., N-TG, EE and S-TG). Also, ingestion of fish oil with high fat meal helps absorption of DHA and EPA, quite a lot. I try to take fish oil with at least 10 grams of fat, up to ~30 grams of fat (from peanut butter); see this study.

Molecularly distilled fish oil removes harmful things like mercury, not so with 'natural' fish oil. That's another bonus to the fish oil from Nordic Naturals, also, they take part in probably the most strict independent product testing there is, and Consumer Lab gave Nordic Naturals good a review.

The 'new' form of omega 3 is from krill oil, which has even higher bio-availability than omega 3 from fish oil (N-TG and S-TG). However, there are many issues with krill oil so far, please see the Consumer Lab page on fish oil, which includes info on krill oil. At this time, krill oil is too expensive, and quality isn't proven.

Please see these two links for scientifically sound and current info on fish oil, and how much is too much:
"The definitive fish oil buyer’s guide"
(make sure to read the comments section)
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/the-definitive-fish-oil-buyers-guide

"EFAs, Fish & Fish Oil"
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/essentialfattyacids
P.S. I know so much about omega 3 from fish oil because I did research for my dog, to help her with the pain of a torn ACL and arthritis. As well as for myself, omega 3 is amazing for helping my mood, joint stiffness, back pain, etc.
 
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spurr

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zymos,

I'm pretty sure that product is EE (ethyl ester) form, which is the least bio-available of all three forms. I'll double check the report from Consumer Lab to be sure whether it's EE, and the score of the product in terms of accuracy of claims (re level of DHA and EPA).

Also, it's funny someone found your post, my post and SOFT420's post to be unhelpful, lolz. How the hell can our posts be unhelpful? Too funny how some people act here at ICmag. I guess someone here doesn't like fish oil or fish, lolz. (either that or it's just a troll from another thread where all three of us got hated on a bit, re the almighty Steele Savage ;) ) I gave you guys both a positive rep because I think your posts *were* helpful :)
 
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spurr

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The two most popular forms of Omega 3 supplements are fish oils and flax seed oil. Fish oil may be contaminated with mercury- so many people prefer flax seed oil. Flax is fine, but has a few minor problems nutritionally- look it up if you are curious.

Whole fish is the best source for Omega 3 (DHA and EPA), then comes fish oil. However, it's easier to get the correct amount of DHA and EPA per day, using fish oil, which is why fish oil is so popular.

If one uses the fish oil I suggested, from Nordic Naturals, there will be no mercury or other heavy metals, it's free from pollutants and has much higher bio-availability of Omega 3 (DHA and EFA) than from flax or hemp seed oil.


But there is another plant oil that is an even better source of Omega 3 than flax seed oil……….hemp seed oil! (3)The very thing we need to make our CB receptors work at their best is in the hemp plant! Cannabis is the source of the cannabinoids that we need to heal ourselves and the source of the Omega 3 we need for our receptors to do their jobs properly!

Hemp seed oil is a decent source of Omega 3, but the profile is less than ideal IMO. Ideally, we want more DHA than EPA, per day. It's not enough to write we need Omega 3, we also need to quantify the amount of long-chain Omega 3 fatty acid (DHA and EPA) we ingest per day. Too much fish oil can be as bad (or worse) than not enough fish oil, over the long term (re affects on health).

IIRC, DHA has greater efficacy than EPA for brain function, so maybe DHA is the key to potentation of CB1 receptors?

Oh yea, below is a VERY good read about fish Omega 3 vs. flax Omega 3; and I think one can assume hemp seed oil would fare about the same vs. fish oil as did flax seed oil:

 

spurr

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The two most popular forms of Omega 3 supplements are fish oils and flax seed oil. Fish oil may be contaminated with mercury- so many people prefer flax seed oil. Flax is fine, but has a few minor problems nutritionally- look it up if you are curious.

But there is another plant oil that is an even better source of Omega 3 than flax seed oil……….hemp seed oil! (3)The very thing we need to make our CB receptors work at their best is in the hemp plant! Cannabis is the source of the cannabinoids that we need to heal ourselves and the source of the Omega 3 we need for our receptors to do their jobs properly!

(3) Nutritional Profile and Benefits of Hemp Seed, Nut, and Oil (full - 2003) http://www.drbronner.com/pdf/hempnutrition.pdf

According to that PDF you posted, flax seed oil has much more aLA (alpha Linolenic Acid), the critical essential fatty acid (EFA) from Omega-3 (re DHA and EPA) than hemp seed oil. And hemp seed oil has much more LA (Linolenic Acid) than flax seed oil; LA is the non critical essential fatty acid from Omega-6 of which we don't want lot of intake. According to the bar graph below, from the PDF you posted, one should use flax seed oil, not hemp seed oil, for Omega-3 EFA (i.e., aLA which provides DHA and EPA to our boides).

Still, using synthetic triglyceride fish oil (ex., from Nordic Naturals) is by the far the best choice for Omega-3 EFA (i.e., DHA and EPA) than using flax or hemp seed oil.


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spurr

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Note:

When taking fish oil supplements (or any Omega 3 or 6 source), it's good to make sure one also supplements with vitamin E; I take around 400 IU a day. I use natural vit. E as d-alpha tocopherol with other 'mixed' tocopherols such as d-beta, d-delta and d-gamma, brand "365".
 

Microbeman

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Nice reading fellas. Damn you Spurr! After reading the first article you linked, I got out my bottle of fish oil to check the label and it is not up to par, except that it is wild salmon with sardines and anchoivies. I also worked out ratios of omega FAs (3:6) several years ago for my dogs, when I began preparing food for them. I cannot remember off the top of my head but I ended up using freshly ground flax seed, pure sunflower seed oil and natural eggs to make up the roughly correct ratio (apparently) for dogs.

Weird that negative rep stuff. I countered it too.
 
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spurr

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Hey MM,

Sorry! :) What's the name of the fish oil you use?

For dogs, it's not good to use whole eggs (raw is worse than cooked), the yolk steals biotin from dogs when they digest it, IIRC. It can make dogs ill if given too many egg yolks over time. I could be wrong about the biotin claim, but I know it's not good for some reason such as that, stealing something they need; I'll find the vet info and post it.

Sadly, many people believe the claim from lots of dog food brands, that they provide Omega-3, but during processing of kibble food types the heat destroys the Omega-3's, etc. (as well as most vitamins, too, that's why I supplement kibble with fish oil, vitamins, herbs, etc.)
 
T

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I think a better source would be from sea algae like sun chlorella or nuts/seeds and plants like hempseeds as stated, walnuts and collard greens and cabbage. I know when I juice the collard and cabbage I feel good. I think consuming the whole seed versus taking the oil is better because there are so many substances in whole foods that help each nutrient to work efficiently in the body and when you take them away problems may occur in the long run. I do think sauteing your greens in the hemp oil is good or taking the other oils with some recently eating leafy greens is good because the greens have tons of minerals that can help the body make use of the oils as well as prevent degradation at least if the heat isn't too high and cooking isn't too long.

I think fish oil is good if you can't make dha for health reasons but the other sources provide so many substances that we are learning about everyday. Think about it, a nut or a leaf has to grow so it has to be able to live and defend itself so imagine how much things it carries that can benefit us whereas if you just consume oil or just certain parts of fish you are leaving a whole lot out which your body has to work hard to make up for to assimilate a particular oil.
 

spurr

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@ all,

I attached the full report (product review) from Consumer Labs, testing of many brands of fish, algae and krill oil supplements:
  • "Fish Oil and Omega-3 Fatty Acid Supplements (EPA and DHA from Fish, Algae, and Krill)"

I attached the full report (product review) from Consumer Labs, testing of many brands of terrestrial plant supplements:
  • "Black Currant, Borage, Evening Primrose, and Flaxseed Oil Supplements: Sources of ALA and GLA (Omega-3 and -6 Fatty Acids)"

Please make sure to read the on one fish oil, if one plans to take fish oil. To use the files, download them and re-name from ".txt" to ".htm", then double-click on the file and your web browser should load the file so you can read the file. Otherwise, after you re-name the file, open your web browser and then open the file with the web browser.

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spurr

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I think a better source would be from sea algae like sun chlorella or nuts/seeds and plants like hempseeds as stated, walnuts and collard greens and cabbage. I know when I juice the collard and cabbage I feel good. I think consuming the whole seed versus taking the oil is better because there are so many substances in whole foods that help each nutrient to work efficiently in the body and when you take them away problems may occur in the long run. I do think sauteing your greens in the hemp oil is good or taking the other oils with some recently eating leafy greens is good because the greens have tons of minerals that can help the body make use of the oils as well as prevent degradation at least if the heat isn't too high and cooking isn't too long.

I think fish oil is good if you can't make dha for health reasons but the other sources provide so many substances that we are learning about everyday. Think about it, a nut or a leaf has to grow so it has to be able to live and defend itself so imagine how much things it carries that can benefit us whereas if you just consume oil or just certain parts of fish you are leaving a whole lot out which your body has to work hard to make up for to assimilate a particular oil.

I do agree with the thrust of your post, re whole foods vs. processed food (and supplements). However, in some cases getting sufficient amount of some specific substance isn't possible, or easily feasible, via. whole foods.

This thread is specifically about Omega-3, so in this case, I think using a supplement providing known and provable amount of DHA and EPA (ie., Omega-3 EFAs) is important. Not only that, but consuming too much omega-3 and omega-6, over time, is not good for the body and health. When eating lots of fresh fish and whole foods for omega-3 and omega-6 we can provide too much omega-3 and omega-6 (the latter is the real health culprit). For omega-3, whole fish is best, ex., sardines, but they can have PCB's, mercury, lead, etc., so synthetic triglyceride fish oil is really the best option for quality and quantity (of DHA and EPA).
 

spurr

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Re: "The definitive fish oil buyer's guide"

I wanted to make a correction of the author's claim with respect to bio-availability of natural triglyceride vs. ethyl ester vs. synthetic triglyceride. The author claims the following:
"Studies on absorption of the various types of fish oil suggest that, unsurprisingly, the natural triglyceride form is absorbed better than the ethyl ester form, which in turn is absorbed better than the synthetic triglyceride form."​
That is false, more current studies show S-TG has higher bio-availability than N-TG and EE. Some info on this point is posted in the comments section, some by yours truly (using a pseudonym); independent academic published studies on this point can be found on the Nordic Naturals web site.
 
T

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Yeah, I agree specifically with the fish but the other foods provide fiber which will help prevent too much being absorbed at once due to excretion.

Also, I think what hasn't been put into thought is that being that omega 3 is a fat soluble nutrient over time your body will accumulate the omega 3's that hasn't been used, if the food is eating everyday so even the foods which may not have a lot will still give you what you need plus they may have things that enhance the affects of the small number.

An example is vitamin D and skin color. We are told that darker skin people have less vitamin D than lighter skin people BUT this isn't the whole picture. What is happening is the darker skinned have more melanin which prevent the uv from going straight to the skin and diffuses it so it can be slowly used by the skin to make vitamin d and this is why the levels in the blood is low when taking a measurement BUT when you look at the metabolite count they have almost an equal amount as lighter skinned people but with less skin problems due to the melanin protecting the skin. So even when not in the sun they are still making vitamin d due to the melanin "holding" the uv because darker pigments absorb light efficiently whereas the lighter skin has to be in the sun to make the vitamin but because they are lighter more goes to the skin but they have to not spend too much time because problems occur but this is why eating a lot of vegetables help because the beta carotene and other phytonutrients help prevent the uv problems. Why do you think the women with the highest bone density are blacks followed by asians then whites?. It is because of the melanin even though we are told they have the lowest vitamin d levels. Vitamin D is associated with calcium absorption which strengthen bones.

This obviously doesn't apply to women who use too much make up and cover most of their bodies in the winter and in this case supplementation is very good.

I wrote that just to show how much of a substance, especially a fat soluble one, may not be need in large quantities to to achieve a strong effect due to it having time on it's side and not being excreted right away like water soluble substances.

I can't find the study showing the metabolites being roughly the same in black and whites even though their blood levels were significantly different but I found another dealing with this subject but remember what I wrote about melanin playing a part because they didn't mention this in the article.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100315091259.htm
Vitamin D Levels Have Different Effects On Atherosclerosis in Blacks and Whites, Study Finds
 

SOTF420

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spurr, you make some amazing posts man very useful information. Rare to find someone like yourself on free forums anymore. :good: :respect:
 

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