How many growers use the RED or BLUE beer cups?

[gingerale]

As for the effects of light on roots?
Anybody who believes that light has no effect on root and plant growth/health is way confused or misinformed.

I hope this is explained rudimentary enough to allow absorption into some to the thicker minder members.

OK, this should be good....

(a whole bunch of irrelevant information quoted out of some basic introductory Botany textbook)

Wow all this "apical meristem" and "root cap" nonsense just goes right over my head....oh wait no it doesn't, because I too have taken a Botany course. The information you quoted, while fascinating, and full of keywords which you must have thought would confuse me (lol..try studying the life cycle of fungi and get back to me), has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're talking about, other than the little gem someone copied and pasted onto the end:

Exposing the roots to excessive light - especially blue or UMV light - kills the end caps and exposes the apical tip, which stops mucigel production and excrement resulting in stunted root/plant growth and inhibited water/nutrient uptake.

This is flat out false. Prove it. I've actually tried this....have you? Yeah, I use metal halide lamps in my veg room... ZERO negative effect on root growth, same as HPS. My Botany textbook (http://www.amazon.com/Botany-Introduction-James-D-Mauseth/dp/0763707465) says absolutely nothing about light having a negative effect on roots. And why in the hell would it? The roots are a tissue just like any other tissue on a plant, or algae, or any other autotroph...there is nothing special about this tissue that should discourage light exposure.

BTW--there's no "killing" a root cap...because the root cap IS ALREADY DEAD. Root cap = dead cells which slough off and provide lubrication/protection to the root as it grows.

This myth started because cannabis roots typically grow underground, thus somebody "assumed" they don't need to be exposed to light, and this rumor gradually became a "well known fact" because nobody challenged it. That's all. Nowhere else except on cannabis forums will you find people spouting nonsense about roots being sensitive to light.

 

[gingerale]

I suppose the easiest way to understand what light does to roots is to learn air-cloning.

....And which part of the process you described actually has anything to do with light? You mention wrapping the limb with something. It's not blocking out light that causes adventitious roots to form...it's keeping the stem moist that does it. This is the exact reason you will often see adventitious roots forming on the stem above a perpetually moist medium, because the humidity in that area is high enough to cause them to form. (This is especially noticeable on tomato plants, which form adventitious roots more easily than cannabis.) Try wrapping a stem with a dry piece of paper, and guess what...no roots form! Try wrapping the limb with a moist piece of clear plastic...roots do form! Moisture is the key here, not light exposure or lack thereof.

 

[gingerale]

And while we're on the subject of who's a "noob"...why is a "big shot" like SOTF talking about poking holes in cups? What a waste of time. What's the matter SOTF, all that growing experience and you still haven't figured out how to water a plant properly? I'm beginning to see why you can't make clear containers work for you either. An expert gardener doesn't need pots with drainage because he doesn't overwater his plants. Sounds like you need to do less running of the mouth and more experimenting in the garden to see what else you're wrong about.

P.S. the only people who have a problem with my "attitude" here are the ones who are spreading false info around. I've got all kinds of positive karma from this thread...with the only negative one being from you.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

28 year old triple posting, Cherokee/Irish drunk douche with attitude.
Did I miss anything?

 

[Strainhunter]

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Boy gingerale you love to poison good threads with your meaningless endless arguments trying to have the last word don't you!?

 

[gloryoskie]

sigh.

I use the Solo cups, big red ones for first transplant and the little 3 oz clear ones for the clones.

I grow:
Micro Style
Ultra Low Yield
SOG
PL-L's
Soil
been growing for only 10 months so don't ask me shit.
Organic, too! but I don't piss on 'em.
and 52 years old.
with a good wife that's got my back.
and yes, I am a douche.

All said with a big grin, to be taken with a grain of salt.

oh, and shit seeds give you shit weed Randy.

 

[peterjoseph88]

check out the roots on this one, i took it out of the ez cloner on the 16th and the clear cup was in a red cup with no drainage so a little water collected. pics taken 18th
im not even sure on the strain is my friend gave me a single seed and told me it was something worth saving.

 

[Strainhunter]

check out the roots on this one,
.......

Nice!

Now...if you carefully take it out of there asap and again carefully transplant it in to a bigger container you still can have a healthy plant.

 

[peterjoseph88]

yeah that little gal is already in her new home i am trying out an "air pot" just for kicks, the 0.3 gal size lol

 

[Strainhunter]

yeah that little gal is already in her new home i am trying out an "air pot" just for kicks, the 0.3 gal size lol

Damn'...that's IS small!

It would be interesting to see pics of how the plant is developing.
Should be just fine if you don't let her develop too big.

 

[SOTF420]

...why is a "big shot" like SOTF talking about poking holes in cups? What a waste of time. What's the matter SOTF, all that growing experience and you still haven't figured out how to water a plant properly?

I almost feel bad for you.

One day I will figure out how to water properly then I can have healthy plants I guess

Good luck ginger.

 

[peterjoseph88]

Damn'...that's IS small!

It would be interesting to see pics of how the plant is developing.
Should be just fine if you don't let her develop too big.

here is the day one pics. Flat seltzer water lol

 

[Marlo]

Red with the square bottom are my fav's

 

[dgr]

Nice!

Now...if you carefully take it out of there asap and again carefully transplant it in to a bigger container you still can have a healthy plant.

strain,
Why the asap on transplanting? Seems you let clones chill in about that much media for weeks and weeks with your grow system. I don't see any urgency in the above pic but maybe I missed it.

 

[Strainhunter]

strain,
Why the asap on transplanting? Seems you let clones chill in about that much media for weeks and weeks with your grow system. I don't see any urgency in the above pic but maybe I missed it.

Wow someone is paying attention!

Yes you are absolutely right, mine stay in their cups for well over a month.

However since - unlike in peterjoseph88's picture posted above I melt the holes I put in my cups in to the raised part of the bottom so I have no roots growing out of holes on the side.
If peterjoseph88 lets his clones grow any longer the roots will grow out of the holes in his cup even more/longer...and as you know those are easily damaged - hence the "asap" advice.

Potentially "life threatening" for the plant if he grows a strain which has tap roots.
If one damages a tap root the plant will likely get stunned & grow crippled.

 

[Stress_test]

Wow someone is paying attention!

Yes you are absolutely right, mine stay in their cups for well over a month.

However since - unlike in peterjoseph88's picture posted above I melt the holes I put in my cups in to the raised part of the bottom so I have no roots growing out of holes on the side.
If peterjoseph88 lets his clones grow any longer the roots will grow out of the holes in his cup even more/longer...and as you know those are easily damaged - hence the "asap" advice.

Potentially "life threatening" for the plant if he grows a strain which has tap roots.
If one damages a tap root the plant will likely get stunned & grow crippled.

I always wait until the roots grow out the bottoms of the cups and just slip em off with a razor when I transplant.
It doesn't really hurt em either. It will kinda kick start em in the new soil, kinda like air-pruning does it forces the roots to divide again and encourages new growth.
As long as it's just a few threads of roots I think it helps em take off again instead of having that stalled out spell after transplanting.

 

[Stress_test]

OK, this should be good....



Wow all this "apical meristem" and "root cap" nonsense just goes right over my head....oh wait no it doesn't, because I too have taken a Botany course. The information you quoted, while fascinating, and full of keywords which you must have thought would confuse me (lol..try studying the life cycle of fungi and get back to me), has absolutely nothing to do with anything we're talking about, other than the little gem someone copied and pasted onto the end:



This is flat out false. Prove it. I've actually tried this....have you? Yeah, I use metal halide lamps in my veg room... ZERO negative effect on root growth, same as HPS. My Botany textbook (http://www.amazon.com/Botany-Introduction-James-D-Mauseth/dp/0763707465) says absolutely nothing about light having a negative effect on roots. And why in the hell would it? The roots are a tissue just like any other tissue on a plant, or algae, or any other autotroph...there is nothing special about this tissue that should discourage light exposure.

BTW--there's no "killing" a root cap...because the root cap IS ALREADY DEAD. Root cap = dead cells which slough off and provide lubrication/protection to the root as it grows.

This myth started because cannabis roots typically grow underground, thus somebody "assumed" they don't need to be exposed to light, and this rumor gradually became a "well known fact" because nobody challenged it. That's all. Nowhere else except on cannabis forums will you find people spouting nonsense about roots being sensitive to light.

Okay... You win.

But before I concede I just want to say that you do not debate fairly. You posted several moronic replies before that were based entirely on theory and devoid of any logic or scientific fact and intimidated anybody who responded, with argumentative rhetoric.
What I posted is accepted throughout the world by plant biologists and botanists.

But your bullshit has caused several members to learn something about the effects of light on exposed roots. Because it was your idiotic condescending rhetoric that provoked me to share.

I have tested my theories with living plants and posted the results for everybody to discuss and use to form their own conclusions from the data provided. You have shared your unsubstantiated theories and attempted to force feed em to people while discarding all relevant information that contradicts your hypothesis.

So now it is your turn to "prove it"... Show us a plant that grows from start to finish with it's roots exposed to full light. Use a clear glass or plastic container and hydro or aero and convince me. Show me the data and you will convince me that there are errors in what I have learned so far.

Unless you can provide some data that supports your theories I will have to stick with logic and substantiated conventional science.

 

[paladin420]

I'll jump in with this: I get some very nice clones in smart pots. 2 clones ,1 outside no roots showing. 1 inside in a black e&f pot in my system flowered to fini.

Outside zero roots showing.
Inside total root mass outside the bag..

Just a grower...

 

[Strainhunter]

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As long as it's just a few threads of roots I think it helps em take off again instead of having that stalled out spell after transplanting.

Like you said...just a few roots.

 

[yesum]

I use 18 oz. reds for the full veg. I try to sex the preflowers and will transplant the 'females' hopefully, 2 weeks before the flip, into final pots. 1 gallon for now.