help me design my vert grow please!

[kmart]

Hello icmag,

I recently decided to frame up a 21x11x11 bay in my garage and I want to go vertical but only have experience horizontal. The goal is obviously yield and maximizing this space use. I prefer growing in coco if anyone needs to know...

My initial thinking was dividing the space into two rooms and running a small veg and then a 6 1kw flower room. After more browsing I also thought about doing a small veg with 2 4kw flower rooms on a flip flop. The rooms with 4kw would be around 8-9x11 rooms. (too small for 4k?)

I would like to stay away from an ac, as im in washington and we really only use them 1-2 weeks out of the year lol.

I'm unsure if my veg should just be t5's or of I should just put 1 mh or even 1 t5 and 1 mh...

Smell is a big issue in my neighborhood.

I was also considering running a sealed room with co2.

Hopefully with this info I can get some good ideas rollin. I would love all your help so much

Thanks-

 

[HushemFlupskluk]

Sticky threads

Sticky threads

For some basic setup stuffs go to the sticky threads.

 

[Anti]

If you're looking to do 4k rooms, take a look at RedSpaghetti's threads. I think he's using 5 now, but you can read his old threads and see how he's evolved over time. I think what he'd do is build a colosseum with the lights hung vertically so that they form a square in the middle of the room with 1k vert on each corner of that square, with the plants on multiple tiers lining the four walls of the room, and probably with a horizontal garden on the floor inside that "light square".

Anyway. Read his threads. Also read Marlo, Laylow, Bobblehead, DHF, Aero and of course Heath's shit. Study. Take notes.

Good luck! Post pics of your space if you have the inclination.

 

[kmart]

Thanks anti, I was just looking at red's stuff. It is more ideal for my space and numbers than some of the stadiums that are large numbers. Im a medical grower and want to stay within the state laws(or at least as much as possible)

The space is exactly 22x11x10.5. I can take pictures but nothing is framed, it just a wide open garage bay right now. I can take pics if it helps anything....

After reading a lot of the stickies and information I understand how vert works, but I still am lost on whats best for MY situation. I can make this space 1 room, 2 rooms or even 3.

I was thinking about doing something like red, but my numbers might limit me and I doubt I will fill up my space with only 10 plants in each room(if i have 3 rooms veg and 2 flowers?)

Anything helps, a point in the right direction of a good thread even is always appreciated!

 

[Anti]

If you can only have X plants, you must veg Y days before flipping to flowering.

I mean... some guys are doing big grows with 4 plants and 5 lights (Lights arranged in an x and plants arranged in between:

X - plant
0 - light

O X O
X O X
O X O

You might have to veg for 2 months before you flip... so maybe you could set up two 10x11 rooms and have one perpetually in veg and the other perpetually in flower. You could veg your first round for 2 months and then make 10 clones and flip them into flower, which gives you 2 months for your clones to be ready for their turn at flowering.

Heath is able to get 1+ lb per plant. So 4 lbs every 2 months should keep you medicated.

(Of course his results are epic and not likely to be duplicated on your first run... but you can learn and tweak until you get there.)

 

[bobblehead]

If I was going to help you design a setup, I would build rooms just like mine... lol

 

[Bush Dr]

First consideration is the odour control/ventilation, your looking at a 6" fan/filter per 1k lamp

CO2 sealed doesn't work too well with vertical as the lamp heats the plants very quickly, efficient ventilation should do the trick

Personally I'd go with several separate rooms/tents, allows more flexibility with different strains and of course perpetual harvest

 

[kmart]

If I was going to help you design a setup, I would build rooms just like mine... lol

Bobble I was looking at yours but I'm unsure if its too ideal for a med grower. High plant numbers is not my friend. Where i'm located, if you comply the best you can, leo will just walk out your front door. The minute you break numbers, a shit eaten grin comes across their faces...

I was trying to think how I could do a similar setup, maybe make three of those contractions you made, and run 3 perpetuals with 10 plants in each however, I would have a lot of canopy space and wouldnt really utilize your method.

I would prefer, if possible, to have 10 large plants in each room. (10 of which probably be vegging)

I'm goin for yield but I cant break numbers.

 

[bobblehead]

Bobble I was looking at yours but I'm unsure if its too ideal for a med grower. High plant numbers is not my friend. Where i'm located, if you comply the best you can, leo will just walk out your front door. The minute you break numbers, a shit eaten grin comes across their faces...

I was trying to think how I could do a similar setup, maybe make three of those contractions you made, and run 3 perpetuals with 10 plants in each however, I would have a lot of canopy space and wouldnt really utilize your method.

I would prefer, if possible, to have 10 large plants in each room. (10 of which probably be vegging)

I'm goin for yield but I cant break numbers.

now you're getting somewhere... see, how are we supposed to know how many plants you plan on putting in the room?

Why not grow some trees in 20gal SP's circled around an 1800w light column? Flip/flopped between 2 rooms... blumats... air exchange 2x a minute... The only thing that changes from my pods is you don't need racks.

Environmental control is more important than light alone... and 1800w is real easy to control.

 

[megayields]

 

[kmart]

will a tree grow with a 1800w light column work better than having spaced out 1k's? I could have like a 6k flip flop and grow big trees, or even something like "https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=185081"

I know its something i probably need to figure out what works for me, but im just trying to get opinions on how to get the most yield possible with those number and space restrictions.

Wouldn't 1k's be the way to go in this situation?

 

[Grizz]

now you're getting somewhere... see, how are we supposed to know how many plants you plan on putting in the room?

Why not grow some trees in 20gal SP's circled around an 1800w light column? Flip/flopped between 2 rooms... blumats... air exchange 2x a minute... The only thing that changes from my pods is you don't need racks.

Environmental control is more important than light alone... and 1800w is real easy to control.

yep, when i think vertical its a stadium or equilivent, high plant numbers, with all the space you have and low plant numbers something like bobble describes would be your best bet but opinions are like ass holes, we all have one, also if you dont want a ac a sealed room is out of the question, one other option would be a scrogg set up with horizantal hoods, yields are BIG

 

[kmart]

so i've narrowed it down to just a few different paths and was wondering if anyone knew which would probably give me more yield in the long run when things get dialed in.

Plan 1:

2 rooms, 5 600w on a flip flop, setup similar to heaths however i would be using 20g sp and coco coir. Also considering 4 plants instead of 2 in it. (only problem is max 4-8 plants flowering, but I could veg the ones to be flowered for a very long time)

Plan 2: 3 rooms with 1800w light columns and trees around it. 2 rooms will be on flip flop and the third used as a veg/over flow flower. I could also just veg under like 1 horizontal 600 but would vegging in a column be better?

Plan 3: 2 rooms with 3kw stadium flip flop and 1 veg

plan 4: 2 rooms, 5kw-flip flop tree style grow.

A lot of options... lol

 

[HushemFlupskluk]

Yep But.. You decide.

Personally I like option 2. And I think 1 bulb per Grow unit would eventually yield more then more bulbs.

 

[bobblehead]

multiple 1800w pods... dial in one strain per a room. That's what I'm doing from now on....

 

[250wscrogger]

I'm running two 8x8 stadiums side by side (2k each, flip flop)...I built a 12x20x7, and then built the flip rooms in the middle of that... 10'' max (1020cfm) for exhaust in each room...lung room/hallway 3 sides of the flip rooms. 4x20 in front of the rooms, and 2x12 on each end of the lung for exhausts to dump into. The two rooms exchange perfect air 24/7 through the lung.

Separate veg room with a 1k hps for veg and 216w t5 for moms/clones.

16 plants per room in 5 gallon pots...stadium/scrog style... I copied Selfhemployed's design exactly but with 2 rooms on a flip and monocrop.

Shooting for 3lb+ per bulb... more when fully dialed with c02

Climate is perfect due to air exchange in/out of the lung room @ 2x per minute.
72-74f lights off 78-80 lights on
45% RH

Getting a cap gen2e c02 burner and santa fe maxdry dual xt dehuey for the lung after this crop...

If you need to keep the numbers down I would suggest two rooms 10x10 each with 5k bare bulbs in an X patten and 4 huge trees in 30 gallon smartpots in a diamond pattern...
You will need a separate veg room because they will need about 7-10 weeks veg depending on how much your strain stretches once flipped....

X= light
0= plant

X0X
0X0
X0X

 

[kmart]

I'm running two 8x8 stadiums side by side (2k each, flip flop)...I built a 12x20x7, and then built the flip rooms in the middle of that... 10'' max (1020cfm) for exhaust in each room...lung room/hallway 3 sides of the flip rooms. 4x20 in front of the rooms, and 2x12 on each end of the lung for exhausts to dump into. The two rooms exchange perfect air 24/7 through the lung.

Separate veg room with a 1k hps for veg and 216w t5 for moms/clones.

16 plants per room in 5 gallon pots...stadium/scrog style... I copied Selfhemployed's design exactly but with 2 rooms on a flip and monocrop.

Shooting for 3lb+ per bulb... more when fully dialed with c02

Climate is perfect due to air exchange in/out of the lung room @ 2x per minute.
72-74f lights off 78-80 lights on
45% RH

Getting a cap gen2e c02 burner and santa fe maxdry dual xt dehuey for the lung after this crop...

If you need to keep the numbers down I would suggest two rooms 10x10 each with 5k bare bulbs in an X patten and 4 huge trees in 30 gallon smartpots in a diamond pattern...
You will need a separate veg room because they will need about 7-10 weeks veg depending on how much your strain stretches once flipped....

X= light
0= plant

X0X
0X0
X0X

Those are going to be some hot as shit 10x10 rooms lol

Do you scrub the air in each room or do you scrub it on your exhaust area?

I like the four plants, five light idea but I think it will be insanely too hot.

The vertical columns are looking like they might be the best option. Now that things are being framed, the more exact measurements of my rooms are 10x7.5.

Maybe 5 600w's would be better than 5 1k's. The 1k's would probably just get too hot and I don't have the money to drop on two ac's right away.

 

[250wscrogger]

10x7.5 rooms are PERFECT for 3k stadiums....

You could easily cool two 3k rooms on a flip with a 1 ton A/C in the lung room... I don't even need an A/C for 2x 2k rooms.............

I space my bulbs 4ft apart on center but for 3k in a 10ft room I'd go 36'' on center so the bulbs would be 2ft away from the end walls...

I use a 10x39'' phresh filter in each room... I'd suggest the same thing for 3k rooms... try to keep your intake air around 70f.