I have been reading a lot lately about strain's "ceilings"... a lot of people out there seem to only keep and grow plants that don't have a ceiling. By that i mean that regardless to how strong each hit is, you keep getting that much higher every hit...never hitting a "ceiling" where you level off and stop getting higher or even start to get less high as you smoke more. eventually if you keep smoking a strain without a ceiling you will end up drooling all over your shirt, completely unable to do anything except laugh like you are mentally challenged...
don't get me wrong, i have had this a few times in my life, a few weeds out there where i could just keep smoking more and more till i literally couldn't walk, granted it's not something i would want to do everyday, but i have only had access to weeds like that a few time in my life, and all were long ago, in my first 5 years of smoking.
what really got me wondering was a thread i stumbled onto yesterday about the strain blue dream. people were saying yeah it's pretty strong and yields well, but it has a ceiling...and that was apparently a really bad thing, it was suggested to cross it with chemdog to get rid of the ceiling. now here i am going WTF?!?! it's as simple as that? people in cali just don't smoke strains with ceilings? and chemdog has no ceiling?! another suggested was og kush to do the same thing. now i have both strains in my garden, although the chemdog is rez's ibl and the og kush is an s1 from reserva prevada. i grew out every seed and took them all to 80+ days, with samples taken occasionally as it progressed and as i smoke it right now it's been jar curing for around a month.
to the breeders credit these weeds are beyond anything available on the street around here, i have heard back from several friends and coworkers that it's the best weed they have ever smoked. however i have smoked ridiculous amounts of weed, iso, keif, and honey oil that i made from these strains in an effort to break that ceiling and get completely inebriated...just yesterday me and two freinds put down 8 very large joints in a row over a 2-4 hour period and while we did get good and baked there is no doubt in my mind that there is a ceiling on every plant in my garden, regardless to the fact that i spent over 400 bucks on the best genetics i could find and ran 6 strains(freebies included).
are these elite cuts that Californians talk about like chem d and alien og specially selected because they possess some rare lack of a "ceiling" or are maybe ceiling is a subjective word, and if your tolerance is high enough, you will experience a ceiling on almost anything you smoke...(now you don't have to tell me about moderation, i know that weed is a powerful drug and shouldn't be abused, besides the fact that spending a life high in a dark basement is no life to live, if you know when to say no, and can keep your tolerance low, the highs are so exponentially better that you would kick yourself for ever letting your tolerance go up in the first place.)
or could it be that my versions of these elite cuts are no where near the potency's of the originals? since i have never seen the originals i have no way to know. i can tell you that a few grams in a plastic zip-lock bag of my chemdog will stink up an entire house no problem. and after being around these strains for as long as i have i have gotten a bit immune to the smell but i do recognise that as strong as it smells, other peoples descriptions of chem d clone make it seem to stink much more, and reputes of it not having a ceiling...well yeah, there is that too...
how rare is this trait and is it one that supercedes tolerance or will your tolerance put a cap on any strain, be it a 20 week pure thai plant or honey oil from from the sleapiest lui? if i had let my tolerance go down significantly before smoking these weeds could i have experienced a no ceiling strain in my garden? to me this an important question because i am strain shopping once again and if the answer is that "yes, a no ceiling trait is very rare and you must first find a strain that is known to exhibit this and then weed out the right pheno to get it" well then i can start my search in that direction. if the answer is basically "stop smoking so much weed stupid! lots of strains have no ceiling if you don't smoke multiple times a day!" well then i'll probably lean toward strains made for exceptional taste over incredible high and just cut back on my smoking, "which, incidentally, i am actually doing regardless, as my jars will be empty by the end of this week and next harvest is close to 4 months away.
don't get me wrong, i have had this a few times in my life, a few weeds out there where i could just keep smoking more and more till i literally couldn't walk, granted it's not something i would want to do everyday, but i have only had access to weeds like that a few time in my life, and all were long ago, in my first 5 years of smoking.
what really got me wondering was a thread i stumbled onto yesterday about the strain blue dream. people were saying yeah it's pretty strong and yields well, but it has a ceiling...and that was apparently a really bad thing, it was suggested to cross it with chemdog to get rid of the ceiling. now here i am going WTF?!?! it's as simple as that? people in cali just don't smoke strains with ceilings? and chemdog has no ceiling?! another suggested was og kush to do the same thing. now i have both strains in my garden, although the chemdog is rez's ibl and the og kush is an s1 from reserva prevada. i grew out every seed and took them all to 80+ days, with samples taken occasionally as it progressed and as i smoke it right now it's been jar curing for around a month.
to the breeders credit these weeds are beyond anything available on the street around here, i have heard back from several friends and coworkers that it's the best weed they have ever smoked. however i have smoked ridiculous amounts of weed, iso, keif, and honey oil that i made from these strains in an effort to break that ceiling and get completely inebriated...just yesterday me and two freinds put down 8 very large joints in a row over a 2-4 hour period and while we did get good and baked there is no doubt in my mind that there is a ceiling on every plant in my garden, regardless to the fact that i spent over 400 bucks on the best genetics i could find and ran 6 strains(freebies included).
are these elite cuts that Californians talk about like chem d and alien og specially selected because they possess some rare lack of a "ceiling" or are maybe ceiling is a subjective word, and if your tolerance is high enough, you will experience a ceiling on almost anything you smoke...(now you don't have to tell me about moderation, i know that weed is a powerful drug and shouldn't be abused, besides the fact that spending a life high in a dark basement is no life to live, if you know when to say no, and can keep your tolerance low, the highs are so exponentially better that you would kick yourself for ever letting your tolerance go up in the first place.)
or could it be that my versions of these elite cuts are no where near the potency's of the originals? since i have never seen the originals i have no way to know. i can tell you that a few grams in a plastic zip-lock bag of my chemdog will stink up an entire house no problem. and after being around these strains for as long as i have i have gotten a bit immune to the smell but i do recognise that as strong as it smells, other peoples descriptions of chem d clone make it seem to stink much more, and reputes of it not having a ceiling...well yeah, there is that too...
how rare is this trait and is it one that supercedes tolerance or will your tolerance put a cap on any strain, be it a 20 week pure thai plant or honey oil from from the sleapiest lui? if i had let my tolerance go down significantly before smoking these weeds could i have experienced a no ceiling strain in my garden? to me this an important question because i am strain shopping once again and if the answer is that "yes, a no ceiling trait is very rare and you must first find a strain that is known to exhibit this and then weed out the right pheno to get it" well then i can start my search in that direction. if the answer is basically "stop smoking so much weed stupid! lots of strains have no ceiling if you don't smoke multiple times a day!" well then i'll probably lean toward strains made for exceptional taste over incredible high and just cut back on my smoking, "which, incidentally, i am actually doing regardless, as my jars will be empty by the end of this week and next harvest is close to 4 months away.
