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Organics is like set it and forget it for your herbs.

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If you have enough money you can get anything 'certified' by OMRI - it's a whore's business down there in the People's Republic of Eugene, Oregon.

Something in the water from the Willamette River............

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Microbeman

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CC_2U said:
If you have enough money you can get anything 'certified' by OMRI - it's a whore's business down there in the People's Republic of Eugene, Oregon.

Something in the water from the Willamette River............

CC
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I know! What is up with that area? Entrepreneurs on steroids. Don't care what a product is like just as long as they get $$$$. Too bad.
Corvalis too...and such a pretty town.
 
descivii

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Better off with common sense than a certification......rocks never had organs and therefore not organic but we all know the rocks were here before the organs.

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Bennyweed1

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damn i had no idea this was such a hot topic, lol we got dudes talking about erections on the other pages. lol wtf?
 
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Better bring in a couple of experts on this subject - Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael.
 
GoneRooty

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I think they majored in the science of marketing. Say something that sounds good, put on a fancy label and bingo, you're rich bitch!!! That's how big Mike did it right?
 
stinkyigloo

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Hilarious thread. I havent down a grow in over a year now. Im in Ireland and organics hasn't taken off here at all yet. I was chatting to the owner of a grow shop one time and he was clueless to it.

The best stunt I've fell victim off when buying nutes was pulled by Canna. I bought a gallon of canna boost accelerator for around €250. It comes with this retarded cap on it that u need a Canna Spanner to open, which they charge a further 10 euro for...fuck that shit. Cut a hole in the carton and poured it onto other containers
 
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- No, it is not. I can entirely disagree with the thread title. You cannot set it and forget it.

- You must add nutrients/fertilizer to your organic medium, or your plants will suffer from nutrient deficiencies over time and eventually die.

- Organic vs Inorganic is (to me simply broken down in terms of horticulture, as opposed to in terms of organic chemistry) merely a difference in method of nutrient delivery (probably not the right phrase I want to use, but can’t think of something better).
 
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Cannabologist said:
- No, it is not. I can entirely disagree with the thread title. You cannot set it and forget it.

- You must add nutrients/fertilizer to your organic medium, or your plants will suffer from nutrient deficiencies over time and eventually die.

- Organic vs Inorganic is (to me simply broken down in terms of horticulture, as opposed to in terms of organic chemistry) merely a difference in method of nutrient delivery (probably not the right phrase I want to use, but can’t think of something better).
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that's only partially true. You can pre amend the soil or soiless mix with nutes so that you only have to water your plants
 
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Dudesome said:
that's only partially true. You can pre amend the soil or soiless mix with nutes so that you only have to water your plants
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- Hehe, well, to be more clear, I would say your statement as well is only partially true. I am well aware one can amend their soil so nutrients do not run out... I have in fact been testing many various mixes based off of the LC mix to see what can work for a longer period of time, without running out of nutrients too quickly. But the basic LC mix in the organics for beginners is, to me, lacking. It is a good mix to start with, but loses gas much too soon. This is why I am doing investigations to retool it. I have been working with some hot mixes to see what happens, trying to find something that will not be so apt to run out of nutrients after a short time.

- Realistically, I feel my statement holds merit for many reasons. If you are doing a short veg into flowering grow, yes a pre amended soil will probably have enough nutrients for those few (2 to 3) months. But this is not true if keeping clone mother plants indefinitely, which I have found a hassle to keep up steady nutrients, or for a veg period of about a month with 2 months flowering.. Most basic mixes are not enough, and need supplemental liquid fertilizers and ACT tea.

- Also, I have worked a lot with the LC soil mix with the blood + bone amendments, and found it strongly lacking after a short amount of time. Yes you can just water your plants, for perhaps 3 to 4 weeks, after which you will suffer from nitrogen and calcium deficiencies with the mix, as it has at this point run out of gas. You may make it through from planted clone 12/12 right off the bat in the LC 1 soil with blood and bone as the recipe is, but any veg time and you will likely run out of N and Ca very quickly without supplementing nutrients. (I feel the LC mix should at least up the powdered lime to 4 tbs per gallon soil, 3-4 tbs of blood meal, 3 of bone, and 2 to 3 tbs kelp, and 2 tbs greensand. I would also add 2 tbs gypsum to the recipe).

- I would like to find a standardized soil mix, with a top dressing regimen that can be used instead of any other added nutrient program, especially for mother-clone plants, as these are the hardest to deal with, due to issues of rootbinding, running out of nutrients, having to transplant into larger pots, etc. I would like not to have to transplant, and have pot sizes for mothers that are reasonable to keep and maintain (ie not over 3 to 5 gallons ideally), which is quite a small pot size for a cannabis plant honestly.
 
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What your talking about could be taken care of with compost tea, and the soil food loop. In some of your other posts you talk about not wanting to make teas, yet now your talking about possible problems that teas, and a microbe rich environment could help with. This living soil thing is not a myth, but it might take a little work. For one you seem to think of the LC mix nutrients as a substitute for chems, I try to think in terms of microbes. So I'd much rather have a high quality compost or ewc than a certain feed meal. Just give them a diverse diet, keep them happy with mulch, teas and top dress for any needs that might arise. Then like magic everything just clicks along......scrappy
 
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