Please please please tell me this is not a seed :(

[DankSide]

Tents are great and can still be stealthy.
Its totally possible to run a 600watt tent setup locked away in a bedroom closet. With an inline fan and filter tucked away in the attic, the noise is barely there.
I also like the "layering" effect of a tent in a closet because then you can really stomp out light leaks - the leading cause of stress induced hermaphroditic behavior.

 

[Phaeton]

Watching my grow is like looking through a toilet paper tube, I see a little circle while 90 percent of the world streams past unknown.
My statements concern what has happened with my plants and are not universal truths.

The last strain I grew could take enough light at night to count my fingers holding my arm away. No hermies, but hard to clone and lost the strain.
The plant I'm fighting with now, well, today I'm fixing the power strips so the 'on' LED will have black electric tape over it and face the wall. Learned in another thread that some strains will react that 1/10 watt red light. My strain seems to be one of them, absolutely cannot kill this plant's clones, but I have yet to get a bud without at least a few seeds.

 

[Milhouse]

well you should agree, i dont want to argue either but having light constantly leak in is one thing, but having a dramatic switch is what is the trigger, which is what he did. im not stupid and i know plants in normal outside environments get small amounts of light at night, so in most cases its nothing to worry about but if you say had a grow room which had light leaks, then you attempted to completely darken it for night it would effect the plant and stress does induce a plant given the genetics to be more likely to go hermie, i never said it happens every time i just said its a pretty likely cause to when it does happen. its not rocket science they already have a high chance of going hermie being feminized seeds anyway.

LST isnt that stressful hence the low stress part. im not trying to argue but what have you done that dramatic to stress your plants? i really would like to know.

i know you probably have quite a good amount of experience growing considering you live where its widely accepted, but i think its kind of biased opinion saying just because you have never had it happen, im not just referencing myself as others can clearly agree.

being its not c99 its not really reliable to just say something like that considering he said himself this widow has done this before, its possible that strain is much more sensitive to stress than c99 so its not really a good comparison in my opinion.

Sorry just difference in experiences i guess. I am not saying light leaks have nothing to do with hermie/intersex, I was actually disagreeing with the post that "Any plant will hermie with light stress." I think the genetics have alot to do with it based on my limited experience and i mean limited. Not trying to sound like i am some expert, by no means!!!

As far as stress on my plants goes, I have done it all over the months. I have had temps in the flower cab as high as 93-94, as low as 48-49. I open my cab during dark periods all the time, hell I even keep the cab door cracked open with normal lights on during dark period sometimes when its really hot. I left my plants for 5 days without water, came home and they were bone dry!! They have sat in water for days also. I do some pretty extreme LST, but also topping and supercropping. After all of that abuse, I still have not had a single seed. Trust me, not trying to brag at all, I am inviting hermies with some of my ways, just never had one. If I see a few reports about a strain with possible hermie issues, I will usually stay clear of it. I think alot of hermie issues could be avoided by researching strains to see if people had issues in the past.

In my opinion, your hermie/intersex/seed issue has more to do with genetics and less to do with light leaks.

Depending on the size of the cab, I would say browse craigslist for a few minutes and you should be able to find a cab to suit your needs there. I went the building route my first time and really didnt save much money.

 

[Grass Lands]

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Not to start an argument but I dont agree with the above statement. My setup has never been light tight, close but there are definitely light leaks. I have never had a hermie ever. I am pretty sure you could stress the hell out of C99 and it wont hermie on you!! Trust me, I have tried!!

I was gonna say the same thing Milhouse...If its a true female it will not hermie...all the strains I run can see a little light during the dark cycle and they do not hermie...

 

[Dislexus]

When I get my hands on a new strain I always stress it the fuck out to see if it has a hermie tendancy. It better not or it gets the scissors... THE SCISSORS

 

[Milhouse]

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I feel there should be scary piano music playing at the end of that post!!

 

[Hammerhead]

having seeds does not mean you wont have realy good smoke. There have been Elite cuts grown from these found seeds. Sometime I will get 20 or less seeds from a naner or not catching the male in time.

 

[Dislexus]

Its my opinion that if a plant hermies from some stress, then it is not an Elite cut.

I mean Elite growers wouldn't waste their time with a plant that can't take a little stress.

Its basic risk management. Crises are a hassle, so just don't let the crisis happen in the first place.

WTF are Elite cuts is this some more Cali branding bullshit.

This permissive attitude is why all the cheap/free seedpacks I've ever got couldn't take any stress...

 

[pottymcpot]

Thanks for all your replys guys. Man I'm really bummed out by the whole thing.

My white widows are really frosty, and are a lot more developed than my NL plants. I could let them finish flowering and make hash or butter. There is A LOT(!!!) of seeds though, on all 4 of them.

I have thought about getting a tent, but it's just not stealthy enough for me.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80183944

I bought this mainly because it was cheap and it's got room for both a veg and flower chamber, but you get what you pay for I guess.

But what do you recon I should do about the clones of the WW I have in veg? Do you think they are hermies too?

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

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Not to start an argument but I dont agree with the above statement. My setup has never been light tight, close but there are definitely light leaks. I have never had a hermie ever. I am pretty sure you could stress the hell out of C99 and it wont hermie on you!! Trust me, I have tried!!

Well my room had a light leak and the C99 plants near it hermied so it does happen.

 

[Milhouse]

Thanks for the info Major! See I am not always right!! It has always been weird to me how some plants hermie, some dont! Like I said before, I have invited hermies via every environmental deficiency on the planet and still without one.

Dislexus - You would think that but it seems like there are several "elite" clone only strains that everyone raves about that are very sensitive. I think the only thing the elite growers are worrried about is end product. Most the elite growers have "elite" setups and have ability to monitor environment much closer than hobby grower can. I have never grown any of the elite strains but have heard hermie stories on Sour Diesel, Chemdawg, Trainwreck, etc and I would LOVE to smoke any of those.

 

[Milhouse]

Thanks for the info Major! It has always been weird to me how some plants hermie, some dont! Like I said before, I have invited hermies via every environmental deficiency on the planet and still without one.

Dislexus - You would think that but it seems like there are several "elite" clone only strains that everyone raves about that are very sensitive. I think the only thing the elite growers are worrried about is end product. Most the elite growers have "elite" setups and have ability to monitor environment much closer than hobby grower can. I have never grown any of the elite strains but have heard hermie stories on Sour Diesel, Chemdawg, Trainwreck, etc and I would LOVE to smoke any of those.

 

[Milhouse]

Hey Potty, what part of that cab are you having problems lightproofing? It seems most all light leaks can be solved with a little caulk, maybe some weather strippings, and a little creativity. Hell even Duct Tape works fine!

 

[yesum]

I had this happen, it was genetic and tiny bananas were the cause. Intersexed but not full on hermy which have 'balls'. I am guessing you had this too. If you look with a magnifier at the buds, you will likely see 1 or 2 mm long yellow 'bananas'.

 

[Hammerhead]

Its my opinion that if a plant hermies from some stress, then it is not an Elite cut.

I mean Elite growers wouldn't waste their time with a plant that can't take a little stress.

Its basic risk management. Crises are a hassle, so just don't let the crisis happen in the first place.

WTF are Elite cuts is this some more Cali branding bullshit.

This permissive attitude is why all the cheap/free seedpacks I've ever got couldn't take any stress...

People that find seeds in the bag have no clue if it was from a Hermie. I have seen cuts that came from Hermie seeds that where outstanding and never produced any naners or full blow Hermie. As far as breeding goes thats common knowledge not to use them having said that there are strains that could be consider elite that have the Hermie trait Rez is one such case. he has outstanding genetics but there is still the Hermie trait in his gear.

 

[Lazyman]

I'm still trimming my last run, where a light timer (FUCK HYDROFARM TIMERS!) screwed the pooch and hermied half the room. That's 75 plants about 4-5 feet tall at week 7 of flower. I chopped the worst hermies a bit early and hung em to dry, and the rest is being gone through, painstakingly by hand to remove the seeds and occasional pollen sack. The weed looks great, nice and frosty, it just had a fair amount of seeds in it. I also discovered that I can put dried seeded bud into the Trim Reaper and run it for about 20 seconds, and you can hear the seeds being knocked out til it goes quiet, then I can't find more seeds in it. Pain in the ass, but ANYTHING helps when you have 10 pounds of seeded buds! Too much to lose to hash, for me anyway.

 

[Lazyman]

Oh, and if you were to pop beans from a hermied plant, I would be nailing them with DM Reverse as soon as they are a foot tall and until I flipped them, would pretty much ensure that none ended up hermies.

 

[ProfGerbik]

Sorry just difference in experiences i guess. I am not saying light leaks have nothing to do with hermie/intersex, I was actually disagreeing with the post that "Any plant will hermie with light stress." I think the genetics have alot to do with it based on my limited experience and i mean limited. Not trying to sound like i am some expert, by no means!!!

As far as stress on my plants goes, I have done it all over the months. I have had temps in the flower cab as high as 93-94, as low as 48-49. I open my cab during dark periods all the time, hell I even keep the cab door cracked open with normal lights on during dark period sometimes when its really hot. I left my plants for 5 days without water, came home and they were bone dry!! They have sat in water for days also. I do some pretty extreme LST, but also topping and supercropping. After all of that abuse, I still have not had a single seed. Trust me, not trying to brag at all, I am inviting hermies with some of my ways, just never had one. If I see a few reports about a strain with possible hermie issues, I will usually stay clear of it. I think alot of hermie issues could be avoided by researching strains to see if people had issues in the past.

In my opinion, your hermie/intersex/seed issue has more to do with genetics and less to do with light leaks.

Depending on the size of the cab, I would say browse craigslist for a few minutes and you should be able to find a cab to suit your needs there. I went the building route my first time and really didnt save much money.

oh my bad sometimes i get a little carried away with what i type, i guess ANY wasnt the right word to use, i shouldve said most. no hard feelings heh.

ah i see the only reason i ask because i have some of the most ridiculous things happen during my grows, for instance my last grow a freaking fire broke out some floors above that completely screwed our electricity for a while, my pumps stopped and my plants werent getting any light at the right times or properly circulation nutrients because they had to fix it constnatly which meant the electricity could be cut on and off at any time. the only reason ive learned some strains are much more sensitive is simply because even with all that stress i still had no major issues, but i have had issues with light leaks causing a plant or two to go hermie on with literally no other explanation and i swear by how good those seeds genetics were.

ive also had people helping me knock my plants over stupidly which also never caused any problems, the only time ive had issue with the same strain sweet tooth and some skunks was when i kept fucking with the holes in my tent trying to figure what was best way i could vent, maybe the lights in my room have a different effect on my plants when they are fucked with like that. i also have 32" monitors all over this room which get really really bright.

since figured out how i want my tent ive honestly have had nothing but females, so i guess that is my experience behind the matter.

weird how it works out.

 

[ProfGerbik]

having seeds does not mean you wont have realy good smoke. There have been Elite cuts grown from these found seeds. Sometime I will get 20 or less seeds from a naner or not catching the male in time.

again i second this notion, as much as i hear people talking about elite genetics will never produce seeds or should never go hermie, i always say some of the best cannabis ive had has had at least a couple seeds in it.

to me the whole elite genetics and elite cuts is just too much for me to worry about. if others have truly figured it out thats great but to me its honestly hard to believe any seed just because i paid out the ass for it is "elite" or superior to others just because a company may say it is.

i know it helps and trust me i love growing good seeds more than bag seed or poorly stored seeds but to me it just seems far fetched to actually know exactly what seeds you have unless you produce them yourself.

soon enough i want to get into that but i havent yet, i really want to get more into botany so i can understand more what actually makes a seed have good genetics other than someone just labeling it that.

just me though, i grew out shwag seeds as a experiment and i know for a fact shwag is extremely hermed.. simply because its packed with seeds, but i didnt get one herm from those 2 seeds and im growing some more out now with some others to see if it will be a 100% female as well. i cant stress enough how horribly kept these seeds were also to add to the whole good seeds and good genetics bit.

anyway i know ill get a lot of shit for that but its just my experience with growing seeds i guess, to me its always been how well its grown and not what the seed was labeled.

 

[Milhouse]

I am sure there are hundreds of strains of "schwag", if not more. I always thought the seeds in the schwag came from unchopped males in the fields. I assume that schwag is grown by the field and from seed. I could very easily be wrong though. Prolly a combo of both.