i basically want a hydrosylate for teas, and my cheap brix alternative. peaceful valley carries a powdered form and a liquid, the numbers are completely different though. i have seen a product called organic gem touted by others. is maxicrop fish an acceptable alternative? opinions on a good hydrosylate?
confused with all these fish products. help needed
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Organic Gem is good and Neptune. Others may chime in on powders. I think CC2 may have found a US source for Great Pacific Bioproducts which is the best I've tested.
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CascadeFarmer
Pacificgro.com has an absolutely rockin fish hydrolysate. It's cold enzyme processed, whole fish and no centrifuging out some of the critical components. The company is working on some interesting new products also 
man my plants where looking sad then i did a maxicrop fish 5-1-1 and some maxicrop liquid kelp. just one cap full and some earth juice grow and some earth worm castings .
some black strap molasses in 5 gallons of water. drench the roots then with the rest i sprayed the plant down with a sprayer and omg .my plants have grown in just 2 days they are deep green and they started to bush out on me .the stalks are bigger and the nodes are getting closer and more .
I took some time off of growing like 2 years .and i have been doing organic ever since i started growing for medication in 2001 from a busted up body from a 30 ft fall. but now i know why i always grew using organics its so beautiful to watch with your own eyes what mother nature can do . with out all of the environmental killing chemical company's bull selling you stuff they mixed together from synthetic chemicals.
that can do the same thing. but not as good as mother nature.
some black strap molasses in 5 gallons of water. drench the roots then with the rest i sprayed the plant down with a sprayer and omg .my plants have grown in just 2 days they are deep green and they started to bush out on me .the stalks are bigger and the nodes are getting closer and more .
I took some time off of growing like 2 years .and i have been doing organic ever since i started growing for medication in 2001 from a busted up body from a 30 ft fall. but now i know why i always grew using organics its so beautiful to watch with your own eyes what mother nature can do . with out all of the environmental killing chemical company's bull selling you stuff they mixed together from synthetic chemicals.
that can do the same thing. but not as good as mother nature.
i use down to earth fish hydrolysate. i like it
note: it has a bit of phosphoric acid to help preserve it which adds a reasonable dose of soluble P.
note: it has a bit of phosphoric acid to help preserve it which adds a reasonable dose of soluble P.
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CC_2U
Yep!
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CascadeFarmer
Interesting thing is I talked to the Pacificgro peeps today and they said the animal food companies are coming in and buying up the fish scraps/stock. We'll see how that affects the Econutrients peeps.
Mizzafishkilla
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CascadeFarmer, where do you find the PacificGro product? I see they are based in the 360, wondering if they sell in the 503/Portland area...
Thanks!
Thanks!
Good stuff right there....
Manitoid
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Howdy! great place for a question!
From my experience, it is always cheaper, per unit, to get something in powdered form. Liquid form is always heavier to ship, for less product in water.
If you find an acceptable powdered form, it will be cheaper in the long run
Manitoid
Does any one have any information on Drammic brand hydrolysate? They are in the region and their products are very cheap around here (like 5-gallons for $35).
http://www.dramm.com/html/main.isx?sub=69
Pine
http://www.dramm.com/html/main.isx?sub=69
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CascadeFarmer
Just go to their website. They ship from gallons to container trucks up to 4,200 gallons. It's top notch stuff!
Pacifigro is working on making flakes. I understand the less cost thing with a dry product but the less you process something the better IMO and drying actually adds to the product's cost because usually they have to ship the liquid to the drying company, pay for the drying cost, pay to ship it back and the overhead to handle/arrange the shipping, associated paperwork, man hours to process everything, etc.
Depending on the product drying can denature it at least to some extent.
if using flakes... why not just use dehydrated fish?
Manitoid
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ha. wow i had no idea there existed such "drying company." kinda silly.
shipping costs, water weight powder wins... I think companies should set shit out in the sun to dry...
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Eatatjoes
I used bio bizz fish mix for my brix mix alternative, it works very well.
mostnonymouse
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In reference to manitoid's comment, prodcts like earth juice come to mind. Not knocking EJ, but buying the dry amendments that make up their bottled line is MUCH cheaper.
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CC_2U
By contacting the manufacturer they were able to give me the name of a agriculture/grower supply house in Yakima, Washington (apple growing country).
This company buys it in barrels and sell it in whatever amount you want with 5 gallons being the minimum. The price on 5 gallons is a heckuva deal - somewhere around $48.00 or so. It was under $50.00 for sure.
The only problem is you have to buy direct - in person.
When I was looking around for fish hydrolysate I landed at Ingham's EarthFort organization in Corvallis. This was about 3 years back and at the time they were selling Organic Gem so I bought a quart. Turns out the Organic Gem is the only fish hydrolysate product that is manufactured in a pharmacy-level operation. The actual fish is a by product for the parent company which extracts certain oils, enzymes, etc. for the medical, health and other industries. Meaning that the conditions are far in excess of what's required to produce this product so the consumer benefits.
The problem with Organic Gem is their inane distribution system. Best wishes finding it so that it makes any kind of sense. Neptune's Harvest, like Organic Gem, is based in New England (MA is what I recall) meaning that you end up paying quite a bit from the shipping costs.
The product the Darc Mind, CC1 and other use (myself included) is a regional product from the fishing industries in British Columbia, Washington, Oregon & Northern California. It runs $14.00 per gallon and is processed in Northern California.
Is it the best? I have no idea. Is it as good as other products? I have no idea. What I do know is that I've been using it since it showed up about 18 months ago. My vegetable and medical gardens grow big plants, they've healthy, bountiful - etc.
Just my anecdotal experience like many things in the realm of gardening.
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CascadeFarmer
Drying operations are not cheap to setup and are usually specialized. Awhile back looked into one dried fish product and they were using a large company in the more southern central Cali valley to process their product which was really a byproduct after they extracted the fish oils and other more 'valuable' stuff.
Putting stuff out into the sun to dry, like a fish product, would be interesting. For one I'd like to know the surface area required to dry a low solid liquid, the cost to set up such an op, the overhead necessary to run it and the related equipment necessary to process things. Considering these products are manufactured/sourced in the Pacific North West on the coast not very warm, not a lot of sun days so think it would be a difficult task to dry locally like that. One thing does come to mind though is all that nice animal (fish) protein material sitting out in the sun attracting flies then the resulting maggots. Yeah I can see sun drying things like herbs though.
Another problem I see with Organic Gem is they are extracting components from the base material and growers are getting a potentially low quality byproduct of the operation.
Not saying it's the best but Pacificgro uses whole fish scraps and whole fish only with no extraction of anything during processing.
