Day 17 of flowering. WTH is this?

[vorzh]

First 3 are what look sort of weird to me. They are main Cola's in the middle of the table underneath the lights, only one or two colas per table are doing this.

The last pic is what I assume is a regular looking site.


Variables are basically ideal, Nute mix is tried and proven. Temps are good. All plants seem extremely healthy and happy. I doubt something is wrong. Has anyone ever seen this?

Let me know what you think..

Thanks

 

[vorzh]

They look defoliated, but these girls haven;t been put through a defoliation quite yet. Almost just looks like a stretch, but I wasnt sure so I figured I would ask the experts.

Thanks again

 

[MileHighGuy]

Mine look the same, and not all of them, They are starting to fill in now though, I believe it is just stretching faster due to the location and lighting.

Mine, Just like you said are the main colas under the light, and man, now that they are starting to fill in, they are looking much better.

 

[Weezard]

Bang, bang! (shots in da dark)

Bang, bang! (shots in da dark)

Here's a couple wild guesses.

Some strains/phenos can re-veg at 12:12
Give them an extra hour of darkness and see what happens.

My second guess is low light.
When's the last time you changed the HPS bulb?

And, mmmm, uh, nope.
That's all I got.

Aloha,
Weezard

 

[vorzh]

ha, ya well I just got the nightime cycle dialed in at like 11.75/12.25. That was only about 5 days ago. and Ya i just changed my bulbs and cleaned my glass two days ago well see what happens



Thanks

 

[highonmt]

There ain't a thing wrong with those ladies, is this a mono crop from clones or are these from seed? If they are from seed I'd say those are just phenotypic differences and those are just stretchier phenos. They look like a sour diesel cross I've grown, let em grow they will fill in there is 8 more weeks of flowering. The reveg is not happening those girls have set some nice flowers and they look good...relax.
HM

 

[moritzst]

hi there,
i know this look from own experience and i think its too hot for those buds, as u say they are directly under the light, i have some of this sort actually in my current run, i bent them down a little cause those hot air buds normally stay quite fluffy and doing strange forms of tips and rinkles...
maybe some extra ventilation helps...
greez mo

 

[vorzh]

These are clones, The strain is OG Kush. Pure, 8 year old strain and proven finished product. I just dropped another AC unit into the room so that should help w temps, You may be right about that, those particular buds in their specific locations probably see temps around 90 during the day due to their proximity to the bottom of the hoods, but the rest of the canopy is well below it. Anyway, lets see what happens ILl post new pics in a few days see if anything changed.

Thanks

 

[poo-hand]

its hard to tell from the pics, but to me it looks like even your good plant is showing signs of problems.. notice how veiny the leaves are and the seraded edges are starting to poke up, and are slightly burned.

Whats your tried and true nute regimen? you stated "table" in your post, what medium are you using? If it were me I would give them a nice flush of pure ph'd water, then remix your nutes up maybe drop the bloom formula slightly and add a little grow, or higher nitrogren formula into the mix for a little bit longer.. If you post up a little bit more of the specifics ie: medium and nute regimen, it would be a little easier to help you figure it out.

 

[vorzh]

nutes are mixed by my supervisor, lol, but hes been doing it for 10 years. I am in 4x4 rockwool, I flush once a week with ph'd water, actually every 6 days. basic 3-2-1 with additives like megabud, rhizzo tonic (which is done after this week) dark energy and once other bloom formula that skips my mind, all of those in their recommended dosage, leaving us at a ppm of 1200 with a ph of 5.8(high IK, but proven supposedly with these OG girls we have running).....i know that doesn't make much sense but I don't have a lot of the information that is necessary. Sorry

 

[vorzh]

3-2-1 is Bloom/Micro/Grow, all GH products...sorry

 

[poo-hand]

well your supervisor probably wont approve of my solution, but if it were me I'd cut out the additives this early into flowering especially the megabud. I tried the rizotonic a few years back and it seemed to be good during the veg stage but it seemed like a waiste to me during the flowering stage. I dont use Rhizotonic anymore or much of any additives unless I see the need, but usually I just add some cal/mag if any thing. At day 17 of flower if your counting from the first day of 12/12 is still the transition phase for most strains. I would lower the bloom formula and raise the grow formula and ditch the additives for now. most people who use a lot of additves dont like to hear that, but I bet it would help out.

 

[Philosophelon]

hi there,
i know this look from own experience and i think its too hot for those buds, as u say they are directly under the light

I agree that this is the most likely. Too much heat and/or too intense light 'cause they're in the hot-spot.

 

[Phaeton]

The budroom I use is 7' across with 7 HID's. Thirty six plants underneath. Some end up with pointy buds, some are nicely rounded. Some have tight nodes, some look like the above pictures. Bagseed, smells like diesel.

But anyway, most of the variance turned out due to airflow. A third of the plants are taken out every 3 weeks and new plants put it. Moving the budding plants around during the change-up changes the growth patterns. Pointy buds will fill out in the new cooler areas, while the nice full buds now pop a boinger out the top or side in the hot areas. New trays in hotter areas have more with stretch than trays closer to vents. This seems to happen more near the CMH's also, but as much overlap as possible was designed into the light pattern, so this is still maybe, the airflow is for sure a problem.

Just for note I use GH 1-2-3, 2-2-2, 3-2-1, with no additives at all. :kitty:

 

[Neo 420]

its hard to tell from the pics, but to me it looks like even your good plant is showing signs of problems.. notice how veiny the leaves are and the seraded edges are starting to poke up, and are slightly burned.

Bingo...But I think its heat stress...

 

[Oldmans_Herbs]

i dunno man, for 17 days in they look good to me. lol but i am in no way an expert.. maybe i like em all.. lmao grow it baby.. 73's Herb..

 

[305guy]

The budroom I use is 7' across with 7 HID's. Thirty six plants underneath. Some end up with pointy buds, some are nicely rounded. Some have tight nodes, some look like the above pictures. Bagseed, smells like diesel.

But anyway, most of the variance turned out due to airflow. A third of the plants are taken out every 3 weeks and new plants put it. Moving the budding plants around during the change-up changes the growth patterns. Pointy buds will fill out in the new cooler areas, while the nice full buds now pop a boinger out the top or side in the hot areas. New trays in hotter areas have more with stretch than trays closer to vents. This seems to happen more near the CMH's also, but as much overlap as possible was designed into the light pattern, so this is still maybe, the airflow is for sure a problem.

Just for note I use GH 1-2-3, 2-2-2, 3-2-1, with no additives at all. :kitty:

So i need better circulation? There are def hot and cold spots. I cannot move the girls, they are attached, through rockwool, to cocomats. Looks like ill have to add some CFM for next round. Anyway, those buds are looking chunky, Ill be taking pics soon, once a week, so 6/23 il have new ones. Ill post and update.

Thanks for all the help guys.

 

[vorzh]

So i need better circulation? There are def hot and cold spots. I cannot move the girls, they are attached, through rockwool, to cocomats. Looks like ill have to add some CFM for next round. Anyway, those buds are looking chunky, Ill be taking pics soon, once a week, so 6/23 il have new ones. Ill post and update.

Thanks for all the help guys.

CFM isn't gonna do it, as we are in a sealed room my friend! A couple things i might say it is: Lack of CO2 DUE TO lack of airflow in certain spots, althogh switching on our new hydrogen pro last night should solve this problem.

If it WAS heat, which i do believe it could have been, we should be cool on that too with the addition of the new portable a/c unit... man i can't fucking wait to get the 5ton set up pa la pingaaaaaaaa.

The defoliated bitches in soil/scrog are killing it. Wasn't able to control the stretch as much as we would have liked, so canopy a bit uneven, but light intensity is fine on lowest canopy level.

 

[poo-hand]

you have a lot of votes for heat stress, but in my experience heat stress from being to close to your lights would cause way more discoloration at the top of the plants than what you have. seriously you probably have a combo of problems and what you see is the out come of all the problems combined. I'd still be willing to bet that if you took out the additives and gave your plants some more nitrogen a lot of what you will see will clear up. do it quick though because lack of nitrogen will make a huge effect on the final yield and product.

 

[vorzh]

you have a lot of votes for heat stress, but in my experience heat stress from being to close to your lights would cause way more discoloration at the top of the plants than what you have. seriously you probably have a combo of problems and what you see is the out come of all the problems combined. I'd still be willing to bet that if you took out the additives and gave your plants some more nitrogen a lot of what you will see will clear up. do it quick though because lack of nitrogen will make a huge effect on the final yield and product.

Can anyone corroborate this scientifically or speculatively? I'm extremely hesitant to add nitrogen heavy ferts this late into flowering. Not to discredit your advice, of course. Just trying to be safe.