10,000 hours to Mastery

[Dojo]

Do you guys think this theroy has a ring of truth? Could a person be a master after 10,000 hours of somthing?


A year is 8760 hours... A typical human sleeps 8 hours a day so that leaves 5840 hours of be awake within a year... so 2 years of pure dedication one could master anything according to theroy

I read this and hear about 10k hours in Outliners and some other places...so what you guys think?

 

[Iron_Lion]

I think it was in an episode of Nova where they said practice is the best thing you can do to push your brain to its maximum potential. Doesn't matter what it is so long as you do it often and every time you do it you try to improve over the last time, so I believe it.

I think if you studied and physically practiced enough anything is possible, whether or not you'd be a master in just 10,000 hours in questionable but I'd say you'd at least reach journeyman status.

 

[krunchbubble]

i mastered the art of bating way before 10,000 hours......

as a "master" "bater", my role is to go around the country and teach people the relevance of "bating" and what role it had in our society and what may become of it in the future when the new discoveries are announced!

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

The book is called "Outliers," and was written by Malcolm Gladwell. He's written a few others, all are excellent, totally recommend reading them. They all revolve around the nature of society/humanity , what makes us and our world tick, very fascinating stuff.

He also refers to the time required to master a task as 10 years, because most folks typically will devote about 1000 hours a year to practicing a task.

 

[Dojo]

Im assuming most males has mastered the art of bating by the age of 18....

Anyways....10 years is normal for people with kids , jobs and wife...but a person who has none of this baggage (nothing wrong with those things) could technicaly surpass those who been doing it longer...correct? Anyone know any examples?

Then what about those who are "naturals" at somthing....and what about those who are quick learners? Do you think that cuts down on the time needed to attain mastery?

Like for instance in football some players never played football in highschool or college and yet became all pros and hallfamers...

 

[paladin420]

i mastered the art of bating way before 10,000 hours......

as a "master" "bater", my role is to go around the country and teach people the relevance of "bating" and what role it had in our society and what may become of it in the future when the new discoveries are announced!

Bein a master precludes you from bein the pivet man.

 

[paladin420]

Yes. And if the 10,000 hours is to hard?try consentrating on just one thing for a minute.Then you can master the world,so I hear..

 

[qwerty]

Reflecting on things I've mastered, I believe the theory is accurate.

 

[bentom187]

there is a saying from the dao , "pay as much attention in the end as you did in the begining and their can't be failure".

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The younger one starts practicing, the better they perform. The "formative" years are largely formative for reasoning and social aspects. Ballet artists often start at the age of 3, even younger. Some of the best musicians get a head start when a parent or personal interest puts an instrument in hands within the formative years.

"Personal interest" often chooses the phallic instrument.

Of course, Joe Walsh started playing guitar in his freshman year of college. He also grew fond of heroin in and around that time and practiced quite frequently.

 

[Dojo]

Of course, Joe Walsh started playing guitar in his freshman year of college. He also grew fond of heroin in and around that time and practiced quite frequently.

Hmm interesting so it seems it doesnt matter when you start as long as you keep it fresh and work at it hard and long you can master a skill...

Mentioning ballerinas and stuff i looked and found this

"Xenia Wiest from Staatsballett Berlin started around 13. BUT she worked her butt off, had natural talent and a good body for ballet. She´s in Corps de Ballet.
Michael Banzhaf, soloist at Staatsballett Berlin, was also a late starter. But he also worked his butt off. I don´t know exact age for him.


Late starters going pro is rare, very rare (keep in mind that even early starters often don´t make it!!!!). The later you start, the more less likely it is to make it."

So it seems it possible even in a demanding craft as ballet where most have started at the age of 3 having reached 10k hours by the age of 13-15... but still as i know nothing about ballet but from what i gaither prima ballirinas are the top of crop and thier are none that started late it seems....


Edit: There seems to be top prima ballet peeps who started at 13-17 but they are rare and i picked this up also....

Natalia Makarova is a name to know for any ballet dancer, as she is one of the most famous of all time. Her's is an interesting story. She was born in Russia, where the usual age for entering formal ballet school is 10. No sooner, no later-- too bad 11 year old, you've missed your chance! But luckily for Natalia (or for her school) the Vaganova School of ballet tried out a new program-- Natalia was placed in a very unique class at 13 years old that condensed the 9 years of ballet training into 6.

Hmmm INTERESTING

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Eddie and Edward VH both took piano lessons at a young age. I don't know how much of all this is true but as kids, Alex got a guitar and Eddie got a set of drums. Eddie played drums like a fiend until becoming annoyed that his brother played Wipe Out better.

Eddie picked up a guitar and never went back.

There's something to be said for starting uber young however personal interest obviously plays a roll as well.

I find it a bit strange that Eddie ranks but 70th on the list of 100 greatest guitarists.

 

[mountain_goat]

i don't think that philosophy can hold tru w/ everything....

i'm a pro-level freestyle bmx flatland rider...i've ridden over 25 years...... (many years over 8 hrs a day 7 days a week solid)

altho i'm damn good i'd never prolly be considered a "master"....

....i think that more often then not to be a "true master" requires alot of "natural ability"

here is an example of someone who is a "master" flatlander:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUW467DglsY

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Philosophy neither proves nor disproves. It's the application of that determines whether respective philosophy has merit.

 

[SOTF420]

I came into this thread to make a master-bation joke and Krunchy beat me to it!

Wack it till it hurts!

 

[supersmallgiant]

Im assuming most humans have mastered the art of bating by the age of 18....

Fixed it for you.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

A hooker tried to do that to me and I said, "No, I already know how to do that better than you do, utilize sumpin' else.

 

[Weird]

10th level Master Slacker

 

[Dojo]

Yes the art of masterbating....one is not a true master till he or she (god i love it when women play with themselves) can bust in under 30 seconds....

I dont know yall.... i am interested in parkour and i saw david belle (sp?) on you tube and hes 30 somthing and fucking rocking it but he started mad young....

I learned by myself how to back flip when i was 12 or 13 ....after that i practiced and stepped up the flips to front flips, round off flips, flips off high things, and eventually running and flipping of a wall mortal combat style...i was trying to debate if i should pick up parkour or not.... i most likely will

 

[Weird]

Yes the art of masterbating....one is not a true master till he or she (god i love it when women play with themselves) can bust in under 30 seconds....

when it comes to furious masturbation I am like Yoda in my level of mastery ....

or a squirrel monkey, take your pick