Ron Paul Is In!

[NCbuds828]

Anyone voting for ron paul obviously only cares about cannabis laws. come on people.. huge financial crisis, ongoing conflict in the middle east, do you really think this guy is qualified?

in a debate i saw him and he looked ridiculous. dude suggested going back to the gold standard.. I was like WTF is this guy talking about. No viable candidate suggests legalizing prostitution and going back to the gold standard.

No american in the right mind is going to vote for him. the majority of people i see supporting ron paul are strongly for the legalization of cannabis.. do you guys only care about herb laws? U.S has much bigger fish to fry at this point i'm sorry to say..

obama is going to win the next election because all the other candidates are jokes..

 

[mostnonymouse]

Anyone voting for ron paul obviously only cares about cannabis laws. come on people.. huge financial crisis, ongoing conflict in the middle east, do you really think this guy is qualified?

in a debate i saw him and he looked ridiculous. dude suggested going back to the gold standard.. I was like WTF is this guy talking about. No viable candidate suggests legalizing prostitution and going back to the gold standard.

No american in the right mind is going to vote for him. the majority of people i see supporting ron paul are strongly for the legalization of cannabis.. do you guys only care about herb laws? U.S has much bigger fish to fry at this point i'm sorry to say..

obama is going to win the next election because all the other candidates are jokes..

While I agree with his policies, I see your point. He's far too radical for most people (the ones who matter anyway) to stomach.

If you think most of his followers are backing him because of his stance on marijuana, though, you have no idea what you're talking about and you need to pay more attention to the guy. He rarely speaks on this subject and I'd go so far as to say he doesn't even use it to try to gain voters. The guy is as honest and ethical as they come, politician or not, and he believes in freedom and the rights granted to us by the Constitution, the model designed by the forefathers from which we've become so far removed. If the rest of the country would turn off their televisions and open a book and realize how fucked up and powerful our national government has become they'd be on Paul's side too. Can't turn off the tv when you're at home 9-5 sucking on the teet though.

His real downfall is his honesty. Where other candidates prefer to cleverly word and disguise their stances on controversial issues, Paul is just brutally honest. If the voters don't like it, get behind someone else. He holds true to his beliefs and that's that. Regardless of where you stand on an issue, I believe that's a politician everyone should get behind. There is no truth left in government. Only deceit and greed. Just look at the last asshole we elected. He's gone back on practically all of his promises and beliefs...Take a look at Paul's voting record in Congress and tell me he doesn't stand for what he believes in.

 

[bentom187]

Anyone voting for ron paul obviously only cares about cannabis laws. come on people.. huge financial crisis, ongoing conflict in the middle east, do you really think this guy is qualified?

in a debate i saw him and he looked ridiculous. dude suggested going back to the gold standard.. I was like WTF is this guy talking about. No viable candidate suggests legalizing prostitution and going back to the gold standard.

No american in the right mind is going to vote for him. the majority of people i see supporting ron paul are strongly for the legalization of cannabis.. do you guys only care about herb laws? U.S has much bigger fish to fry at this point i'm sorry to say..

obama is going to win the next election because all the other candidates are jokes..

Ron Paul = returning of your constitutional rights and personal freedom
ending the income tax
bring ALL troops home
ending the FED

sounds reasonable and propper to me.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Anyone voting for ron paul obviously only cares about cannabis laws. come on people.. huge financial crisis, ongoing conflict in the middle east, do you really think this guy is qualified?

in a debate i saw him and he looked ridiculous. dude suggested going back to the gold standard.. I was like WTF is this guy talking about. No viable candidate suggests legalizing prostitution and going back to the gold standard.

No american in the right mind is going to vote for him. the majority of people i see supporting ron paul are strongly for the legalization of cannabis.. do you guys only care about herb laws? U.S has much bigger fish to fry at this point i'm sorry to say..

obama is going to win the next election because all the other candidates are jokes..

this shows me you don't know any real info about Ron Paul. you are just parroting what the main stream media is saying in your own interpretation from what you've read here. in actual fact it is precisely because the US is in 4 wars and 5 trillion in debt and in the middle of the biggest financial re organization, read transfer of wealth in history. he is the one who has talked about these problems from the beginning, he's the one that wants to stop the federal reserve profiting twice off every dollar they print at the cost of the people all over the planet that use dollars. it's exactly because we are living in crazy times that we need an honest man, who's above suspicion and will always consider the best interests of his own citizens before any loyalties to globalism and its enslaving systems.

the fact that he believes in individual freedom and the right to seek happiness as you see fit as long as you cause no harm to others. is just his following the oath made to the constitution. he's no drug or cannabis friend. to him it's about natural rights. that just happens to include the right to enjoy natures brain food if you so choose, at your own peril and expense. because with great freedom comes great responsibility. ie your freedom in the libertarian philosophy depends on you not infringing on an others rights or freedoms.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

thats what faux news and pmsnbc have taught you..
you parrot them well.

With all due respect, that's no parrot. It has nothing to do with one's individual beliefs. It's practical reality. It's been proven by Ron Paul himself.

Big R republicans comprise ~21% of the electorate. Big L libertarians comprise less than one. Dr. Paul doesn't represent his congressional district as a Libertarian. He represents his district as a republican (even if he's registered as a big L.)

My comment doesn't address any ideology, it addresses historic and real application.

 

[Snook]

rp & me!

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

Anyone voting for ron paul obviously only cares about cannabis laws.

I'll be voting for him to show my disdain for the "two party system". Fuck the status quo.

EDIT - If Ron Paul wanted to be the daddy of my children, I'd find a way to make it happen.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

IMO, we'd all benefit from the understand that special interest lobbies have a way of making government look like the bad guy.

Then we need to understand that as individuals, we all comprise our own, special-interest entity. Government has no living aspects, it's the people we elect that do the good deeds along with the dirty ones.

One doesn't merely need a good understanding of the issues. One has to educate themselves of the entities that influence government.

The special interests that pay to play (pay... because they more-often-than-not disagree with you) is what's necessary to comprehend.

Blaming government for the complexities and pitfalls of a capitalist system is like blaming your skin for contracting pneumonia.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Anyone voting for ron paul obviously only cares about cannabis laws. come on people.. huge financial crisis, ongoing conflict in the middle east, do you really think this guy is qualified?

in a debate i saw him and he looked ridiculous. dude suggested going back to the gold standard.. I was like WTF is this guy talking about. No viable candidate suggests legalizing prostitution and going back to the gold standard.

No american in the right mind is going to vote for him. the majority of people i see supporting ron paul are strongly for the legalization of cannabis.. do you guys only care about herb laws? U.S has much bigger fish to fry at this point i'm sorry to say..

obama is going to win the next election because all the other candidates are jokes..

We would not be in this mess if we never went off the gold standard. What is so bad about basing our national wealth off of reality?

why should prostitution be illegal?

Also Ending the Drug war would benefit the country financially, and morally. Cutting Military spending would as well. these are things he is for.

so you basically think he is crazy because he is logical and he is not ashamed of it.


Also I received some good rep, which was nice, from a guy named forty saying

"i would edit that... people take that kind of talk very seriously"

referring to my previous comment. HELLO! The title of the post said "Dark Humor Alert" so many people on this site are getting really uptight. Dark sense of humor does not translate to crazy. learn what a joke is. How hard is that when it is even titled a joke. what is your reading comprehension level. This is why I posted up a thread on the Khan Academy. lol

There edited to satisfy all the sandy vaginas. this is not aimed at forty, he was just giving me a polite heads up.

 

[gaiusmarius]

IMO, we'd all benefit from the understand that special interest lobbies have a way of making government look like the bad guy.

Then we need to understand that as individuals, we all comprise our own, special-interest entity. Government has no living aspects, it's the people we elect that do the good deeds along with the dirty ones.

One doesn't merely need a good understanding of the issues. One has to educate themselves of the entities that influence government.

The special interests that pay to play (pay... because they more-often-than-not disagree with you) is what's necessary to comprehend.

Blaming government for the complexities and pitfalls of a capitalist system is like blaming your skin for contracting pneumonia.
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don't really agree, government are the bad guys when they go along with corruption and cronyism, going so far to institutionalize many forms of corruption and fraud. blaming this on the capitalist system is too easy. one has to watch the new movie that came out called inside job. then the cartel. then you will see that most of the time these people are braking the law and in the cases where they are not it's only because they have bribed more corrupt individuals to vote for some treasonous law or another to protect them, all at the cost of the citizen tax payers. wasteful projects are given to one district if that governor's vote is needed to pass another massive sell out of the people into law. so to me it's more about people in positions of power not being held to account for their actions that's the problem. this has nothing to do with the capitalist system as such. capitalism would work fine if government wouldn't go out of it's way to create an un even playing field.

so in the end it boils down to blaming government for not doing it's job. they are supposed to protect us from any pitfalls, not go around helping the robber barons of today dig more of them and create laws that we have to fall into them and pay for the digging of such pitfalls.

 

[Fecundity]

I mean is anyone else even suggesting getting rid of the Fed like this guy is? Is it even a question at that point LOL?

The fed is responsible for just about ALL of our problems on our planet right? All the stealing, killing, degradation of our species and our home and ohhhh idkkkk maybe the enslavement of humans?!?! HELLO?!? Granted everyone has to take some of the responsibility.

Is it not him or a revolution? there has to be a tipping point.

I don't know about that rest of you but i'd love nothing more than to watch these people get devoured by a pack of ravenous hyenas.

Correct me if im wrong though, i don't see anyone else trying to solve the REAL problem at hand THE FEDERAL RESERVE.... YOUR ENSLAVEMENT....THE FEDERAL RESERVE.....YOUR ENSLAVEMENT.... heres your target if you haven't figured it out yet-->>>FEDERAL RESERVE<<---- Unless you prefer to eat the shit sandwich they are beating each other off to the thought of feeding us. This isn't any other shit sandwich either this mofo coming down the pipe is a 4x4 extra cheese, extra spread 2 orders of fries fat fucking neopolitan shake animal style.

The answer is so beyond clear that if you chose otherwise it could be argued that you're literally retarded. No offense intended but come on...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

With the old gold standard, one cannot generate commerce past the gold they possess. Therefore we have a monetary system that applies to GDP to theoretically keep financing in check.

It ain't the ending of the gold standard that causes our economic ills. It's the compromised application that given the same circumstances would wreck economies with the gold standard.

A shiny, yellow piece of metal means nothing with a compromised system that takes advantage of it, you and me.

"The gold standard" as a euphemism means the best that money can buy.

"The gold standard" as a monetary system would limit commerce, not to mention progress to pre-WWII levels. We'd be invading countries for their gold to advance our interests.

We didn't see GDP-based monetary systems crash until corporate interests (along with their elected enablers) lobbied to alter tax receipts.

A gold standard would crash given the same circumstances we have today. The gold wouldn't evaporate. Humans would rig the system to get it in their respective pockets, rather than back investment and financing.

Fort Knox didn't alone comprise America's worth prior to reform. It was a total estimation of the gold in the private sector, with individuals and in reserves.

We have a plethora of issues that are blamed for our ills. They're more often than not a minute fraction of the comprehensive understanding that comprises economics and finance. They're often blamed for what ails us when what actually ails us are the policies these folks help enact. That is, the folks that point to oversimplification to keep us from seeing their guy behind the special-interest curtain.

Doesn't matter if it's gold, silver or any form of monetary system. It's the human element that will exploit whatever we're doing. How well we regulate and prosecute fraud is how well any monetary system works.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

don't really agree, government are the bad guys when they go along with corruption and cronyism, going so far to institutionalize many forms of corruption and fraud. blaming this on the capitalist system is too easy. one has to watch the new movie that came out called inside job. then the cartel. then you will see that most of the time these people are braking the law and in the cases where they are not it's only because they have bribed more corrupt individuals to vote for some treasonous law or another to protect them, all at the cost of the citizen tax payers. wasteful projects are given to one district if that governor's vote is needed to pass another massive sell out of the people into law. so to me it's more about people in positions of power not being held to account for their actions that's the problem. this has nothing to do with the capitalist system as such. capitalism would work fine if government wouldn't go out of it's way to create an un even playing field.

so in the end it boils down to blaming government for not doing it's job. they are supposed to protect us from any pitfalls, not go around helping the robber barons of today dig more of them and create laws that we have to fall into them and pay for the digging of such pitfalls.

Exactly. The government is bad now. The only good done since the civil war was freeing slaves, civil rights laws, and destroying blue laws. Every other addition to law since then has been damaging to the government and economy. When Wachovia, and Bank of America were caught laundering Billions for laundering money for mexican drug cartels 3 times nobody even went to jail; but if they caught an average citizen laundering 1,000 bucks of weed money they would lock him up. when Government is corrupted by money so bad that wall street can break the law unhindered, and the average citizen has to go to jail for made up fake crimes like money laundering.

Yes government is bad, but despite my dark humor earlier I still believe the only way to fix the government is educating people in history, math, science, art, and even physical education. They are all important to healthy brain function. Smart people will see through the corruption and lies, and simply fix it through smart voting. If people were smart the republicans, the democrats, and the tea baggers would all be hopeless.

With the old gold standard, one cannot generate commerce past the gold they possess. Therefore we have a monetary system that applies to GDP to theoretically keep financing in check.

It ain't the ending of the gold standard that causes our economic ills. It's the compromised application that given the same circumstances would wreck economies with the gold standard.

A shiny, yellow piece of metal means nothing with a compromised system that takes advantage of it, you and me.

"The gold standard" as a euphemism means the best that money can buy.

"The gold standard" as a monetary system would limit commerce, not to mention progress to pre-WWII levels. We'd be invading countries for their gold to advance our interests.

We didn't see GDP-based monetary systems crash until corporate interests (along with their elected enablers) lobbied to alter tax receipts.

A gold standard would crash given the same circumstances we have today. The gold wouldn't evaporate. Humans would rig the system to get it in their respective pockets, rather than back investment and financing.

Fort Knox didn't alone comprise America's worth prior to reform. It was a total estimation of the gold in the private sector, with individuals and in reserves.

We have a plethora of issues that are blamed for our ills. They're more often than not a minute fraction of the comprehensive understanding that comprises economics and finance. They're often blamed for what ails us when what actually ails us are the policies these folks help enact. That is, the folks that point to oversimplification to keep us from seeing their guy behind the special-interest curtain.

Doesn't matter if it's gold, silver or any form of monetary system. It's the human element that will exploit whatever we're doing. How well we regulate and prosecute fraud is how well any monetary system works.

This is a good point. we would have to base it off of other things as well, but what we have now is very bad as well. maybe there is some sort of middle ground. Think about it. No politician gets exactly what they want. except bush jr and nixon because they were ruthless criminals. Obama couldn't even get real health care reform passed. it ended up just being a pay check to insurance companies and an unconstitutional law forcing people to buy health insurance or suffer a tax penalty or go to prison. They can kiss my ass. I am not even against health care reform but I am against forcing people to pay thousands of dollars for something against there will and then imprisoning them for not complying. that is fascist.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

don't really agree, government are the bad guys when they go along with corruption and cronyism, going so far to institutionalize many forms of corruption and fraud. blaming this on the capitalist system is too easy. one has to watch the new movie that came out called inside job. then the cartel. then you will see that most of the time these people are braking the law and in the cases where they are not it's only because they have bribed more corrupt individuals to vote for some treasonous law or another to protect them, all at the cost of the citizen tax payers. wasteful projects are given to one district if that governor's vote is needed to pass another massive sell out of the people into law. so to me it's more about people in positions of power not being held to account for their actions that's the problem. this has nothing to do with the capitalist system as such. capitalism would work fine if government wouldn't go out of it's way to create an un even playing field.

so in the end it boils down to blaming government for not doing it's job. they are supposed to protect us from any pitfalls, not go around helping the robber barons of today dig more of them and create laws that we have to fall into them and pay for the digging of such pitfalls.

Thanks for your insight. IMO, we're the bad guys for electing the wrong guys.

Seriously, special interests turn good systems into targeted outcomes. It's not just interests for monetary gain, it's all of us. We're all geared to work toward what we see as best in our general, individual interests. Some us also want this to apply to the collective. Unfortunately, insatiable greed pushes any scale out of balance. Balance is what's best for everyone for the long term and stability we need to avoid get-rich-quick schemes.

I don't look for the easy explanation and far-and-away our corporations play by the rules. It's the top one-tenth of 1% that statistically shows the balance out of kilter. 68% of US business pays no federal income tax. There is no indicator that tax cuts equals jobs. That's romance for lack of a more appropriate term.

Positions of power comprise more than elected officials. The top 1% dwarfs Washington. There are multiple lobbyists for every lawmaker and every issue. Corporations are treated as people and IMO, that's absurd. They already comprise the money and power to buy what they can't logically reason is best for us all.

The old phenomenon was Washington to the corporate sector. We used to moan when good lawmakers sold out and went for the bucks. This opened up space for monied interests to crony their interests with a revolving door of multi-millionaire lawmakers turned investment bankers turned cabinet appointments turned CEOs who enrich themselves at the expense of others.

I blame no entity alone except human nature aka greed.

This isn't a pot shot at people in general. We ain't perfect. In the old days, a few got in and out (and made their fortunes) w/o wrecking the system. Now this few are larger and greedier.

Of course this is all (what I consider) objective opinion and I appreciate you sharing yours.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Exactly. The government is bad now. The only good done since the civil war was freeing slaves, civil rights laws, and destroying blue laws. Every other addition to law since then has been damaging to the government and economy. When Wachovia, and Bank of America were caught laundering Billions for laundering money for mexican drug cartels 3 times nobody even went to jail; but if they caught an average citizen laundering 1,000 bucks of weed money they would lock him up. when Government is corrupted by money so bad that wall street can break the law unhindered, and the average citizen has to go to jail for made up fake crimes like money laundering.

Yes government is bad, but despite my dark humor earlier I still believe the only way to fix the government is educating people in history, math, science, art, and even physical education. They are all important to healthy brain function. Smart people will see through the corruption and lies, and simply fix it through smart voting. If people were smart the republicans, the democrats, and the tea baggers would all be hopeless.



This is a good point. we would have to base it off of other things as well, but what we have now is very bad as well. maybe there is some sort of middle ground. Think about it. No politician gets exactly what they want. except bush jr and nixon because they were ruthless criminals. Obama couldn't even get real health care reform passed. it ended up just being a pay check to insurance companies and an unconstitutional law forcing people to buy health insurance or suffer a tax penalty or go to prison. They can kiss my ass. I am not even against health care reform but I am against forcing people to pay thousands of dollars for something against there will and then imprisoning them for not complying. that is fascist.

I agree with far more of what you suggest than an alternative. IMO, we could have gone a different way with heath care reform but it messed with free-market romance.

So we got a hybrid system that tries to aid individuals while allowing profit to flow. But instead of creating economic flow, it get aggregated to the top. I don't have the answers but I'd like to see a system where vital public interests aren't squeezed with executive compensation through the roof, not to mention less efficient corporate administrating.

Sorry to be a stick-in-the-mud but I still love yous guys.

IMO, here's the first step to a better economy.

Structure the tax code so that the capital gains rate is higher than the income tax rate for respective wealth. IN other words, I don't want your CG rate to rival the top. In my system, we'd pay lower than 15% because the money we tie up in investments, even long-term investments doesn't stifle trade and investment.

It's the people that stash away the lions share of our collective wealth because they pay less taxes to invest than they do to create jobs and more commerce.

The top stashes so much capital it stifles cash flow. Restructuring the tax code closer to my idea would actually generate commerce.

For example, I'm a billionaire corporate executive who like 68% of my rich brethren pay zero federal income tax. I don't have to hire because I can make more in investments, then hide my capital gains in off-shore shelters. Even if I get caught with big capital gains on my returns, I don't have to pay 35%, I only have to pay 15%.

In the current economic sense, it's unreasonable to hire peeps when my money makes more money than hiring employees and making a product or beneficial service.

I say make my capital gains rate higher than my income rate. That way I can either rest on my rich laurels or I have to actually contribute to the overall economy to get richer.

That's why rich income tax rates were so high prior to trickle up economics. I had enough money to wreck the show but paying so much in taxes kept the economy sound enough to make that money back (and more.) I just had to hire people and manufacture products or economically beneficial services to get there.

 

[gaiusmarius]

you are well informed and seem to have a good grasp of the subject matter. at least you are mentioning stuff i've read before, lol.

one point to make though about electing better people, apart from what you said about the many unelected people who have built up immense influence etc. but even the elected ones are allowed to lie and promise anything during campaigns and are never held to their promises once they win. i mean Obama was the classic constitutional, anti war, good guy, democrat during the campaign. i mean he had me fooled for quite some time. so how can you fix things with elections, if they are honest elections in the first place, when the candidates are just crooks who's word means less then dirt? even Bush junior ran with a lot of sensible foreign policy promises, about not being the police man of the world. so i'm not saying it's one sided issue, both parties are doing it

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Good point, one needs to ascertain the truth to qualify as a (not necessarily the) solution.

I'm but a sidewalk stone-thrower, trying not to figuratively hit my friends I admire and respect. Would also help if I knew better what I'm talking about to be so freaking opinionated.

My pops and crew eat breakfast at McD's and solve the worlds problems, lo. How nice it would be to commiserate with you guys, then we'd all go blaze after a beerskit.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

That's another good point about folks running for president and campaigning alternatively to their actions once elected.

I recon at least some of these aspects are less than honest. But if one has never been POTUS, they probably don't know the significance of the man behind the curtain (for lack of a better euphemism) and or their own insignificance within.

Then we have to compromise to get what we want the most and that in itself waters down or even changes our plans.

As far as O campaigning to advance reform, I've read some pretty good info that suggests O didn't wave the reform flag like the interests of profit imagined. If anybody would like a link I'll see if I can get it.

 

[stonedstoner]

if ron paul is so cool...then why is his son such a douchbag? rand paul is crazy tea partier

 

[stonedstoner]

also, anyone remember those ron paul newsletters from the 90s with all the racist shit in it? he says he didn't write it, but for me, it's hard to support someone when a lot of his supporters are white racists.