Maybe the place to ask, honey????

[Microbeman]

I tried the trim the fan leaves thing in the 80s I think based on one of the grow book guru guys advice. In my opinion, it is right up there with cool aid flavored buds from pouring coolaid on the soil. The light is collected by the fan leaves and not the flowers nor the bract leaflets. Hey, I could be wrong.

 

[mad librettist]

The light is collected by the fan leaves and not the flowers nor the bract leaflets. Hey, I could be wrong. [/QUOTE

both?

you try this without removing some fan leaves:

ok, so I am thinking of ditching scrog so that light reaches the soil better...

 

[Microbeman]

The only sense would be to remove fan leaves so other 'more important' fan leaves get the light. I grew clustered like that and very informally thought it made no difference when fan leaves were removed. I started whipping any staff caught practicing this <GRIN>

 

[Scrappy4]

I only remove the bottom light starved leaves that are dying anyway. I trim small shoots that will never reach the top as well. On top I usually tuck fan leaves in or cut a portion off to get light to bud sites. In an ideal grow, I want solid green canopy, only interrupted by bud sites.....scrappy

 

[mad librettist]

there is also airflow to consider, and I also take into consideration the position under the light.

I let the edges grow taller and more dense, and that seems to keep thing even.

I also find myself carving leaves, rather than removing them. I cant decide between bud x and bud y, so I cut half off each leaf.

 

[mostnonymouse]

not to change the subject, but why aren't you growing vert mad?

 

[heady blunts]

In a pot and in nature, organic material is starting to deplete while the salts remain. N fixing bacteria take a backseat. It's the beginning of the end. Seeds are formed, leaves create compost and it starts again.

hmm........

 

[h.h.]

Tell me this...What does cold weather do to nitrogen fixing bacteria? Is this not part of the natural cycle? All things playing a role.

 

[mad librettist]

not to change the subject, but why aren't you growing vert mad?

well for one thing I like to have 4 different strains going at once...


I also enjoy a long veg for some reason.

 

[jaykush]

i wait until they fall off when you touch them, then they become mulch.

 

[mostnonymouse]

well for one thing I like to have 4 different strains going at once...


I also enjoy a long veg for some reason.

you pull that off with a single scrog?

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

you need those.

take of ten fans, lay them on the ground and look at the 2ft of sqaure light u just libberated to your canopy, without light stuff dont grow, cannabis has more then enough fans even on the buds, want bigger buds take of fans. i actually will pic of just one finger of a leaf to free up available light to just one bud site, my room has every inch as manicured as need be and its night n day in my results.

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

The light is collected by the fan leaves and not the flowers nor the bract leaflets. Hey, I could be wrong. [/QUOTE

both?

you try this without removing some fan leaves:

ok, so I am thinking of ditching scrog so that light reaches the soil better...

u gotta remove fans, only way to yeild your max, plants dont grow in the dark. great grow

 

[guest2012y]

I only trim the fan leaves that block developing flower sites....and the lower canopy leaves that block the understory air movement. A shaded bud won't develop as good as it would in full light.
No point in removing the solar panels if they don't block flowers.

 

[mad librettist]

Maybe the place to ask, honey????

you pull that off with a single scrog?

mod scrog - but with cruel rules. if a plant looks tasty I will train it right into the neighboring screen.

vg does the same with a smaller cab.

you can pm me if you need help finding the journal. it's not at my place, not my garden. I am just in charge of telling the guy how to run it.

the basic setup is a 4x4 tent, a 2x2 closet and a 2x2 tent.

 

[Microbeman]

One point is that if you remove a lower fan leaf to provide light to a lower flower, you are detracting from the energy which feeds the whole of the plant in general but likely your main cola/bunch of flowers. To the best of my knowledge flowers or buds as they are mistakenly labelled do not photosynthesize.

 

[mad librettist]

Maybe the place to ask, honey????

One point is that if you remove a lower fan leaf to provide light to a lower flower, you are detracting from the energy which feeds the whole of the plant in general but likely your main cola/bunch of flowers. To the best of my knowledge flowers or buds as they are mistakenly labelled do not photosynthesize.

in my admittedly limited experience, chlorophyll happens because photosynthesis is happening. if you deprive even lettuce of light it will blanch.

cannabis flowers are a small part flower and a large part leaf.


and btw, in a scrog there is no light available to the lower reaches. those leaves tend to wither anyway. by removing more top growth, I wonderif I could keep more leaves overall...

 

[Microbeman]

I would suppose the fan leaves getting the most light are of the greatest value(?)

 

[mad librettist]

I would suppose the fan leaves getting the most light are of the greatest value(?)

I always figured the farther you are from the light, the less your "profit" from each bit of leaf. So less leaves up top and more below might process more carbon than the lollipops I currently produce? This might help explain why apical dominance and the traditional christmas tree shape evolved? nah i guess not that has to do with the big hps moving around.

there is also the living mulch to consider. I am getting close to self contained systems that make their own castings, deposited on top. but I could use some light down below. My plants are bare until you get 2/3 of the way up. Then it is a solid 4x4 foot carpet, about 12 inches thick, maybe a bit more. under the canopy nothing grows.

not sure. where is spurr when you need him?

 

[Microbeman]

Poor Spurr. I think I'd stay away too if I had all that obligatory catch up to do. Hey brother Spurr, by the powers vested in me as a microcosmic god, I hereby give you a clean slate. No obligation to address every Tom, Dick and Mary.