Maybe the place to ask, honey????

[IwannatokeNbone]

OUt of molasses, can one use honey for a pre flush feed up to say 4 days before chop?, ive heard u can. i was going to try a half teaspoon, you organic guys most of tried this.

thx for any shared wisdom


weres my leech blank, that leech is never late?

 

[blank85]

What you growing? Post some pictures

 

[mostnonymouse]

honey has been used in the medical world for thousands of years for it's antibacterial properties. I highly doubt it would kill your entire herd, but you're probably better off using something else. molasses is dirt cheap.


edit: just pulled this off wikipedia! I guess it's fine unless someone else knows of another reason not to use it.

"Honey is primarily a saturated mixture of two monosaccharides, with a low water activity; most of the water molecules are associated with the sugars and few remain available for microorganisms, so it is a poor environment for their growth. If water is mixed with honey, it loses its low water activity, and therefore no longer possesses this antimicrobial property."

 

[h.h.]

Molasses can be antimicrobial a well, if used in excess.


Having planted next to a compost pile once, I questioned the value of the microherd in flower. The plant stayed dark green. Tried using chlorinated water, thinking I'd slow it down a bit. Didn't phase it. Makes me wonder how bad chlorine really is on a strong herd...back on track...I don't want my soil dying yet I see no benefit in feeding N producers when I'm trying to flush and I want my water as clear as possible.
I know. You don't need to flush organics. I think if you use a lot of tea you do. Otherwise there is nothing to flush that can be flushed. I guess the idea of sugars in flush is to sweeten the final product. It just doesn't seem to work that way and if it did, I wouldn't want to smoke sugar anyway.
I've tried hot water. I was told to use scolding hot water just before pulling. I was using MG soil at the time and everything was tasting like shit so I was gently knocking the soil off and placing them in a 5 gallon bucket of scolding tap water. Damn things were living, so I'd do it for a couple 3 days, replacing tepid water again with hot. Helped a little. Don't know if it was the heat or just getting them out of the soil.

 

[mostnonymouse]

The purpose of sugars is always to feed the microherd. The herd is never "bad" for the plant...it acts in response to the plant's needs, and there's nothing wrong with a mature green plant. I imagine the sweetening idea came from the same folks who tell you to chop all your fan leaves for more buds.

 

[descivii]

hh,
I'm not sure I understood that!? Why were you scalding the plants or roots?

J

 

[mad librettist]

Maybe the place to ask, honey????

The purpose of sugars is always to feed the microherd. The herd is never "bad" for the plant...it acts in response to the plant's needs, and there's nothing wrong with a mature green plant. I imagine the sweetening idea came from the same folks who tell you to chop all your fan leaves for more buds.

I have to remove a good amount of fan leaves, but maybe that is due to scrogging. if I don't make holes, light does not get through very well.

 

[jaykush]

pre flush? pointless.

 

[mostnonymouse]

I have to remove a good amount of fan leaves, but maybe that is due to scrogging. if I don't make holes, light does not get through very well.

I do too occasionally depending on how the LST goes in my micro. I keep as many as I can beneath the buds though. If anything, I'm cutting off secondaries and the buds beneath the canopy.

 

[h.h.]

The purpose of sugars is always to feed the microherd. The herd is never "bad" for the plant...it acts in response to the plant's needs, and there's nothing wrong with a mature green plant. I imagine the sweetening idea came from the same folks who tell you to chop all your fan leaves for more buds.

We like to say that the plant will satisfy it's own needs, yet it will pig out on nitrogen even in flower. Isn't that what we depend on the microherd for, supplying nitrogen? Abundant potassium in the soil will put them to sleep. Potassium is a preservative in many foods.Doesn't matter what the source, be it bone meal. The plant, lacking n, is force to feed on potassium and starts doing what we want it to do...die, and on an empty stomach no less. Heartless bastards we are. We don't always want what is good for the plant.

hh,
I'm not sure I understood that!? Why were you scalding the plants or roots?

J

They were bad...
I no longer practice it. I was told the hot water will create a rush of resin to the tips..blah, blah, blah,Well maybe. I'm not convinced. It did help flush some Miracle Grow I had been using. Still tasted pretty nasty.

 

[mostnonymouse]

We don't always want what is good for the plant.

I do. Most of my plants seem to "autumn" out on their own.

 

[Microbeman]

pre flush? pointless.

pre flush? pointless.

h.h; It appears you may be confused about the microbial nutrient loop or perhaps it's me.

 

[GoneRooty]

All my plants stop eating when they are done growing, even if there is still available N in my soil. Usually around 7 1/2 to 8 weeks of flowering my plants start yellowing on there own, and I know there is still plenty of available nutrients in my soil.

"Pre-flush feed" isn't this just feeding? You're either feeding or flushing

 

[sunnydog]

OUt of molasses, can one use honey for a pre flush feed up to say 4 days before chop?, ive heard u can. i was going to try a half teaspoon, you organic guys most of tried this.

thx for any shared wisdom

Probably best to just leave them alone.

I think you will eventually see concepts such as "flushing, boosting, etc." are really of limited value.
Let things grow, they will be fine.
SD

 

[h.h.]

pre flush? pointless.

h.h; It appears you may be confused about the microbial nutrient loop or perhaps it's me.

I wouldn't think it was you. I have few claims to knowledge of the loop.

I know from using manures and growing near compost , the plants have always stayed greener.

I figure nitrogen was still being taken up at a high rate.
In a pot and in nature, organic material is starting to deplete while the salts remain. N fixing bacteria take a backseat. It's the beginning of the end. Seeds are formed, leaves create compost and it starts again.
While we may supply a little food for the herd, in the end what is the point? Just feed it clear water. You don't have to call it a flush.

 

[CC_2U]

My Favorite Flush

My Favorite Flush

If you need a clean flush to hit 'dankiness' you want to go with what the professionals use............

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

also trim a good deal of fans during flower, makes a huge differance, i guess im going with water, f it, thx guys.

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

Re: Maybe the place to ask, honey????

Flush? No not me, I dont even flush my toilet half the time

 

[mostnonymouse]

also trim a good deal of fans during flower, makes a huge differance, i guess im going with water, f it, thx guys.

you need those.

 

[Lazyman]

I've read somewhere that yes honey can be use in lieu of other carbs, but it's VERY expensive by comparison and therefore unpopular. Just my $.02.