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Damned
I found some tiny black dots on the lower leafs of the affected plants
the slime sounds like snails, but i discounted them indoors?
roflmao! check for small dogs on the bottom of the leaves
the black spots sounds like shit from what ever pests you have (small dogs with no owners to pick up after them.)
but seriously check plants top to bottom also under the leaves you really have to identify the source of this problem.
peace
roflmao! check for small dogs on the bottom of the leaves
the black spots sounds like shit from what ever pests you have (small dogs with no owners to pick up after them.)
but seriously check plants top to bottom also under the leaves you really have to identify the source of this problem.
peace
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Damned
I found little clusters of tiny light brown spots didnt move but really looked some sort of bug
Bunch of tiny black dots are a solid indicator of thrips... any shiny streaks near that... kinda like a slug trail...? That silvery trail is also for the thrips.
But, they don't eat leaves like from pic 1... which looks just like a tear/wrip.
Pic 2 looks like a hole from being snagged too.
Pic 3 looks most like micro deformations... certain micros def's will cause the abnormal leaf growth you see... in that one pic atleast.
Except for the black dots you mentioned... don't think you have any bugs...?
But, they don't eat leaves like from pic 1... which looks just like a tear/wrip.
Pic 2 looks like a hole from being snagged too.
Pic 3 looks most like micro deformations... certain micros def's will cause the abnormal leaf growth you see... in that one pic atleast.
Except for the black dots you mentioned... don't think you have any bugs...?
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Damned
I've seen slimy trails
GanjaPharma
Member
wee specks that look like a cluster of soil specks? thin silvery trails?
spinosaid kills thrips quite nicely if you water/drench a few times . once a week, or every few days is fine.
its a very benign treatment too, so you can apply at any point in your cycle. (its a soil bacteria)
and though i have never needed them indoors, iron phosphate will kill slugs. (and wont hurt any pups or kitties in the area)
spinosaid kills thrips quite nicely if you water/drench a few times . once a week, or every few days is fine.
its a very benign treatment too, so you can apply at any point in your cycle. (its a soil bacteria)
and though i have never needed them indoors, iron phosphate will kill slugs. (and wont hurt any pups or kitties in the area)
It's not any type of insect or neighbor kid, Dog,Cat coming in to chew on your leaves..
The cells and tissue are decaying slowly from within...
It's a symptom of a fungus ,bacteria , virus etc....
I've been at this a long time,,
I've just recently within 2 years begun seeing this in many
of my different strains..
Do not panic! this is not reason to worry
But it is a somewhat new and unexplained phenomenon
I've been documenting it behind the scenes for awhile
now.
These are pics of my last grow ,,This was a Afghani Skunk from MNS
I have it on many strains..
It has been documented in both my sealed indoor sterile room
and my brother's...
There quite simply isn't one living organism in these rooms
with regards to insects...
Tissue will slowly show tiny holes ,pinholes...
and within a few days will erode away right before your eyes...
I will get some more pics up of it's progression after the holidays
are over as I'm out the door for alcohol abuse....and live Bands...
Maybe BGT can stop in and tell us both it's our "fuck ups"
The cells and tissue are decaying slowly from within...
It's a symptom of a fungus ,bacteria , virus etc....
I've been at this a long time,,
I've just recently within 2 years begun seeing this in many
of my different strains..
Do not panic! this is not reason to worry
But it is a somewhat new and unexplained phenomenon
I've been documenting it behind the scenes for awhile
now.
These are pics of my last grow ,,This was a Afghani Skunk from MNS
I have it on many strains..
It has been documented in both my sealed indoor sterile room
and my brother's...
There quite simply isn't one living organism in these rooms
with regards to insects...
Tissue will slowly show tiny holes ,pinholes...
and within a few days will erode away right before your eyes...
I will get some more pics up of it's progression after the holidays
are over as I'm out the door for alcohol abuse....and live Bands...
Maybe BGT can stop in and tell us both it's our "fuck ups"
BlueGrassToker
Active member
I suggest you not include my name in your ignorant rants.
The advise you are giving needs to be taken with a BIG grain of salt.
And if you think showing off your plants gives any credence to your ignorant advise, think again.
You "simply" don't know what the hell you are talking about. That is my opinion of course.
lol...I'd give a buck or two to talk to your brother and your buddy to hear about just what we are dealing with here. I know..I know...you keep telling us about your superior growing prowess..but you keep blowing out boneheaded bullshit, so I have to wonder if you really are all that stable.
Keep including me in your flames, and I will continue to lay it out as it really is.
The advise you are giving needs to be taken with a BIG grain of salt.
And if you think showing off your plants gives any credence to your ignorant advise, think again.
You "simply" don't know what the hell you are talking about. That is my opinion of course.
lol...I'd give a buck or two to talk to your brother and your buddy to hear about just what we are dealing with here. I know..I know...you keep telling us about your superior growing prowess..but you keep blowing out boneheaded bullshit, so I have to wonder if you really are all that stable.
Keep including me in your flames, and I will continue to lay it out as it really is.
chill out guys, this thread is about helping the original poster not what ever issues you have with each other.
hope this isn't some kind of freaking new virus though, that would suck...
hope this isn't some kind of freaking new virus though, that would suck...
I'm dealing with your exact issues right now.
I see the exact same leaf damage, though not lots of it. (perhaps this is why I paid it no attention and assumed it was from FIM, maybe it was?). I do not see slimy silvery trails, but on some leafs it looks as if there is still light water on em. (This simply can not be.) Usually mid level leaves.
I do see the peppery dots as well, although not much at all.
The only thing your leaving out is this:
A tiny, very small bug that at first site I thought was an larvae. yellowish/orange (brighter orange.) That hops/jumps around if touched. Does not fly.
I only started adding the pieces up because of a chance notice of this "larvae" (bug).
I thought it was aphids. (Maybe it is. doubt it.) The bug hangs out on the backside of the leaves, and will attempt to run to the front if you turn the backside to face the light.
thrips or aphids?
no matter they all will be dead soon.
TR
I see the exact same leaf damage, though not lots of it. (perhaps this is why I paid it no attention and assumed it was from FIM, maybe it was?). I do not see slimy silvery trails, but on some leafs it looks as if there is still light water on em. (This simply can not be.) Usually mid level leaves.
I do see the peppery dots as well, although not much at all.
The only thing your leaving out is this:
A tiny, very small bug that at first site I thought was an larvae. yellowish/orange (brighter orange.) That hops/jumps around if touched. Does not fly.
I only started adding the pieces up because of a chance notice of this "larvae" (bug).
I thought it was aphids. (Maybe it is. doubt it.) The bug hangs out on the backside of the leaves, and will attempt to run to the front if you turn the backside to face the light.
thrips or aphids?
no matter they all will be dead soon.
TR
GanjaPharma
Member
dunno why so angry @ cabron...looks like he has the same issue as the op.
i was talking about this post with a local patient who had read it, and he says he has damage like that in his super sterile room. no shit. says his plants are healthy and he has scoped about a hundred fuking leaves with no insects or eggs spotted.
and he don have a dog
I am gonna see about getting him to take a pic.
i was talking about this post with a local patient who had read it, and he says he has damage like that in his super sterile room. no shit. says his plants are healthy and he has scoped about a hundred fuking leaves with no insects or eggs spotted.
and he don have a dog
I am gonna see about getting him to take a pic.
supersmallgiant
Member
I know it doesn't help but picture 3 defiantly looks like a mutation to me. Are you seeing the trails on the leaves or elsewhere in the room? Mice leave urine trails when they walk...
Well... besides a leaf eating bacteriamy favorite... any word from the OP?
well I have to say this thread is easily mutating into the clusterfuk
like my Mosaic Virus sticky....
So MIWay
I'll help you ,,,I'm actually going to do your research for you...
Isn't that nice of me?
When you say there is no leaf eating bacteria in your snide but yet ignorant reply...
Maybe you need to understand what is taking place when the tissue is being dissolved,,,or eaten as you say..
This at a cellular level from within once a fungi,bacteria or virus has taken hold..
But since we are being specific and you are doubting a bacteria...
That is what I will focus on....
Take a look..
http://plant-disease.ippc.orst.edu/ShowDisease.aspx?RecordID=708
[FONT=georgia,arial] Cause: Pseudomonas syringae pv. syringae, the same bacterium that causes bacterial blight of lilac, fruit trees, and many woody ornamentals. It overwinters on infected plant parts or as an epiphyte on healthy tissue. It spreads with windblown rain, insects, and pruning tools. Bacteria enter through wounds or natural openings. Wound infection during budding may interfere with bud-take. Frost damage, high nitrogen fertilization (especially late summer), and heavy rains favor bacterial invasion. Most species except sugar maples are susceptible. Most Japanese maple cultivars such as 'Sango Kaku' and 'Oshi Beni' are highly susceptible. Two common genetic traits increase the bacteria's ability to cause disease. Most produce a powerful plant toxin, syringomycin, which destroys plant tissues as bacteria multiply in a wound. Bacteria also produce a protein that acts as an ice nucleus, increasing frost wounds that bacteria easily colonize and expand.
[/FONT] [FONT=georgia,arial] Symptoms: Symptoms include leaf spots, vein blackening, and tip dieback of Japanese, Norway, and red maples. Leaf spots vary from pinpoint size to 0.25 inch in diameter. Most leaf spots begin as a water-soaked area and may show a chlorotic halo. Spots may coalesce, destroying leaves or young seedlings. [/FONT]
pay attention to this statement..
[FONT=georgia,arial]Two common genetic traits increase the bacteria's ability to cause disease. Most produce a powerful plant toxin, syringomycin, which destroys plant tissues as bacteria multiply in a wound. Bacteria also produce a protein that acts as an ice nucleus, increasing frost wounds that bacteria easily colonize and expand. [/FONT]
Pay attention to this toxic product and what it does to tissue...This is secreted by the bacteria
which has invaded the walls of the plant.
[FONT=georgia,arial]syringomycin
described as a Plant toxin that destroys plant tissue as the bacteria multiplies ..
Well that is an accurate assessment of what I am documenting.
Have you ever seen a toxic spider bite from a brown recluse ?
same thing happens the toxin spreads and eats flesh ...
This is eating the flesh or tissue of my foliage in localized areas..
It spreads and eats away the tissue in particular spots of infection quite quickly...
sometimes even in 24 hours..
I document this with pics...in timed logged sequence as I'm a photography nut...
But I'm not going to enter these pics into this thread ...
I'd rather start my own as this demands some attention in documented
and detailed fashion w/o the bickering ...
[/FONT]Symptoms from bacterial infections ,or viral or fungal may all express themselves
differently in different species of plants ..
and since cannabis hasn't exactly been covered with any degree of technical
detail by universities as have mains staples such as corn ,wheat etc...
due to it's legal ramifications and nature...
It leaves many unanswered questions to this very day....
My question to any implying this is a mutation...
How can a plant grow a leaf to a healthy perfect form
and then have it break down as it is dissolved and be called
a mutation? apparently you don't know what a mutation is.
A mutation interferes with the growth initially and causes
the resulting growth to be malformed from the onset as the
dna messenger is damaged permanently.
This is not the case here at all...
These are instances of attack on healthy plant tissue already
fully grown and formed....NOT a mutation...
There are so many here that want to chime in with comments
and theories based on absolutely off the wall principals....
I guess my theory isn't as exciting as Mice that leave piss trails
or a hungry cat that makes it's way into sealed grows all across
the globe,,,,or mutations that take effect magically after the plant
has grown the leaf w/o defect ,,,completely...
I'll leave that up to others...
Yano experts like BGT who can't even provide links or data to back his garbage claims..
LOL!!!
Well I reckon then that you know you are looking for a snail or slug.
well I have to say this thread is easily mutating into the clusterfuk
like my Mosaic Virus sticky....
So MIWay
I'll help you ,,,I'm actually going to do your research for you...
Isn't that nice of me?
When you say there is no leaf eating bacteria in your snide but yet ignorant reply...
Maybe you need to understand what is taking place when the tissue is being dissolved,,,or eaten as you say..
This at a cellular level from within once a fungi,bacteria or virus has taken hold..
These are instances of attack on healthy plant tissue already
fully grown and formed....NOT a mutation...
There are so many here that want to chime in with comments
and theories based on absolutely off the wall principals....
I guess my theoryActually bro... glad you mentioned TMV... cuz that's exactly how I thought of your post... a definitive statement of this is what the OP has... yet you yourself, now, are stating this is but just one theory of which there is no study, no documentation... no evidence.
So, yeah... I put your first posts in the laughable column along with TMV... the past boogaboo of all the growing woes.
Here comes the newest... flesh eating bacteria mutated to eat our marijuana plants. All those tears, rips & bugs... guess what, not it, flesh eating bacteria yo!
It seems, to me, a rather far reaching explanation for what would otherwise be some simple explanations.
Haven't you ever ripped plant tissue to only discover it the next day? Ooops... or was it a bacteria...???
Did you ever have micro issues... pH or otherwise caused... to have deformed new growth on otherwise healthy looking plants??? Ooops... it was actually a bacteria!
Did you ever have bugs, not to ever notice them, until the damage comes about???
No, surely not... it is the plant eating bacteria that you've been quietly & secretly studying the past two years.
And here you are to definitively say... this is what the OP has... and nothing else... you are all fools.
Okay bro
well Miway
I have a sealed and controlled environment
in this environment I have multiple strains that
exhibit this deterioration .
I photograph it as it initially shows and then progresses
fully and the material (cells , tissue,chlorophyll etc) all
literally wither away before the camera lens...in a few days
At this point ,yes I can say this is my theory with a pretty
damned high degree of certainty...
It is a virus,bacteria or fungi symptom...
at least mine is where I'm at....
Ya see I have nobody roaming around in my grow room but me
there are no tears ,,,there are no insects,,no cats ,no dogs...
Yep I've been watching this and photographing it for 2 years
Is there some kind of problem with that?
I have pics and records of it,,what do you have ?
what do you bring to this discussion as proof of anything...?
You've already been made to look a fool as you don't even know
about tissue destroying bacterias,,but yet you try and make humor of the fact that I think that may indeed be an antagonist...
You've been shown the facts there now haven't you?
Are you still in denial ?
well fuk it! I don't care to entertain an idiot any further...
ohh and show me pics of a micro nutrient deficiency that eats away plant tissue on
absolutely pristine healthy plants...
Look at my pics I provided,,,do those leaves look deficient to you ,genius ?
one liner from dimwit!
"Here comes the newest... flesh eating bacteria mutated to eat our marijuana plants. All those tears, rips & bugs... guess what, not it, flesh eating bacteria yo!"
News Flash!!!
Bacteria that destroys plant tissue has been here since the beginning of time! Fool!
It's not anything New! Nor was it ever stated to have mutated dumb ass!
This paragraph from you has me baffled..
"Actually bro... glad you mentioned TMV... cuz that's exactly how I thought of your post... a definitive statement of this is what the OP has... yet you yourself, now, are stating this is but just one theory of which there is no study, no documentation... no evidence."
I've read this forward and backward and to be truthful,,it makes not one bit of sense...
Looks like a bunch of words you put together with no direction or focus...
Try getting back on your meds bro....and don't attempt to use vocabulary
you quite obviously can't comprehend...
and don't jump into a thread being a smart ass while being a Dumb Ass!
I have a sealed and controlled environment
in this environment I have multiple strains that
exhibit this deterioration .
I photograph it as it initially shows and then progresses
fully and the material (cells , tissue,chlorophyll etc) all
literally wither away before the camera lens...in a few days
At this point ,yes I can say this is my theory with a pretty
damned high degree of certainty...
It is a virus,bacteria or fungi symptom...
at least mine is where I'm at....
Ya see I have nobody roaming around in my grow room but me
there are no tears ,,,there are no insects,,no cats ,no dogs...
Yep I've been watching this and photographing it for 2 years
Is there some kind of problem with that?
I have pics and records of it,,what do you have ?
what do you bring to this discussion as proof of anything...?
You've already been made to look a fool as you don't even know
about tissue destroying bacterias,,but yet you try and make humor of the fact that I think that may indeed be an antagonist...
You've been shown the facts there now haven't you?
Are you still in denial ?
well fuk it! I don't care to entertain an idiot any further...
ohh and show me pics of a micro nutrient deficiency that eats away plant tissue on
absolutely pristine healthy plants...
Look at my pics I provided,,,do those leaves look deficient to you ,genius ?
one liner from dimwit!
"Here comes the newest... flesh eating bacteria mutated to eat our marijuana plants. All those tears, rips & bugs... guess what, not it, flesh eating bacteria yo!"
News Flash!!!
Bacteria that destroys plant tissue has been here since the beginning of time! Fool!
It's not anything New! Nor was it ever stated to have mutated dumb ass!
This paragraph from you has me baffled..
"Actually bro... glad you mentioned TMV... cuz that's exactly how I thought of your post... a definitive statement of this is what the OP has... yet you yourself, now, are stating this is but just one theory of which there is no study, no documentation... no evidence."
I've read this forward and backward and to be truthful,,it makes not one bit of sense...
Looks like a bunch of words you put together with no direction or focus...
Try getting back on your meds bro....and don't attempt to use vocabulary
you quite obviously can't comprehend...
and don't jump into a thread being a smart ass while being a Dumb Ass!
