Cutting to the chase on forum interests. Tired of bump this thread?

[Shred42O]

i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to share, he likes his secrets

 

[BudGood]

Haha, good thread. The troll thread was torpedoed, thank goodness. Nothing worse than a troll being encouraged. (doing nothing is encouragement to their type)

Thank you, to whichever mod shitcanned that thread!

Yeah, like I said, not all strains will make FMCD. Some will make nice bubble, but it won't always be FMCD, some might CD (clear dome) or FM, but not necessarily both.

I've noticed "greasy" strains seem to make superior bubble and oil. I wonder why that is?

 

[Psuper]

fmcd bubble is hard for me to make even when i do hand mix very slow with lots of ice. perhaps more info on fmcd?

Iam adding a siphoning step after the 160μ-220μ range filters and before collecting the hash on a finer sized bag/mesh.

The pic below shows some contaminants i filtered out of the siphoned water by running it through a 27μ micron polyester mesh sheet on its' way down the drain:

And the pic below is some of the full melt domeness that resulted after collecting the hash on a different sized screen. Idea here is to suck contaminants out before collecting the hash on a screen that will allow you to rinse any remaining contaminants through:

I really appreciate what this thread is about GW, being OCD I really love any kind of list (my favorites being the volumes produced by medieval Jain scholars). Iam interested to see how detailed you get this. Good stuff.

 

[guest8905]

very nice idea

 

[Psuper]

One interesting read on charras (charas) is A Pharmaceutical Study of Cannabis Sativa which was published around 1910 in Great Britain:

http://www.the-equinox.org/vol1/no1/eqi01015.html#part1

I actually have a hardback copy of The Equinox which the above article appears in, but the publisher put it on the internet a couple years ago.

.....And here's another article circa 1884:

THE ACTIVE PRINCIPLE OF INDIAN HEMP.
BY SURGEONS WARDEN AND WADDELL.
Bengal Medical Service.
One of the most serious drawbacks to the medicinal use of this powerful drug (Cannabis Indica) is that we cannot depend upon its preparations being possessed of activity; moreover, the large amount of resin in each dose is often productive of gastric disturbance. These objections would at once be overcome were we able to extract from the resin its active principle.

Since 1839, when Sir W. O'Shaughnessy of Calcutta brought the peculiar properties of Indian Hemp prominently to the notice of the medical world, several attempts have been made to isolate the active principle of the plant with remarkably conflicting results.

In 1846 Smith separated a resin which he called 'Cannabin', and which he believed to be the active principle; and said that it possessed much narcotic activity. No subsequent observers, however, have been able to obtain, by the process employed by Smith, any body which fully answers to the description of Smith's 'Cannabin.

In 1857 Personne resolved the volatile oil, obtained by distillation of the plant, with water, into Cannabene (C18H20) a light hydrocarbon, and a Solid crystalline hydride of cannabene (C18H22). He states that inhalation of the vapour of cannabene produces a powerful physiological effect, and he claims it as being the sole active principle of Indian hemp.

In 1876 Preobraschensky, operating on 'hashish' got from Turkestan, asserted that the active principle was not a resin, but an alkaloidal body, which he recognised as Nicotine, the volatile liquid alkaloid of tobacco. It has been suggested that the presence of nicotine might be due to the hemp having been mixed, as it sometimes is in the bazaars, with tobacco, but Preobraschensky states that he obtained this nicotine from the flowering tops of the plants as well as from the commercial resin.

Merck of Darmstadt applies the term Cannabin tannin to a glucoside contained in Indian hemp which he has combined with tannin. This preparation is not possessed of powerful activity, and frequently is inactive. By treating this tannin compound with zinc oxide, Herr Bombelon obtained a substance which he named Cannabinum, as a greenish brown powder not agglutinating upon exposure to the air and volatilizing without residence on platinum foil.

In 1881 Siebold and Bradbury reported to the British Pharmaceutical Conference that Indian hemp does contain a volatile alkaloid which, however, does not possess the characters of nicotine. They called it Cannabinine, and obtained only 2 grains from 10 pounds of hemp. They do not appear to have tested its action physiologically, and so have left it undetermined whether this volatile alkaloid be really the narcotic principle of hemp.

The above chemists thus obtained widely different bodies, yet each individually believed that the substance which he isolated represented the active principle of the drug. With the subject thus involved, and having at hand a supply of fresh and active hemp, we undertook an examination of the plant in the endeavour to isolate its active principle. Since commencing our observations. Dr. Matthew Hay his reported that he has isolated an alkaloid in the form of colorless needlelike crystals, which, however, did not possess the narcotic properties of the plant, but produced tetanus in frogs in exactly the same manner as strychnine---though not chemically identical with it. Dr. Hay therefore called this alkaloid tetano-cannabin. It must exist in the plant in exceedingly minute traces, for only a few grains were obtained from 1 kilogramme of hemp. He considers it a secondary alkaloid of the plant, and not the chief active principle. We have specially investigated this point as to whether the plant contains an alkaloid with tetanizing properties. . . ---THE INDIAN MEDICAL GAZETTE - Sept. 1884 pp 259

above is from this website:

http://antiquecannabisbook.com/chap25/Odd+End.htm

 

[Gray Wolf]

Good stuff, thanks!

 

[meltybubble]

fmcd bubble is hard for me to make even when i do hand mix very slow with lots of ice. perhaps more info on fmcd?

Mix quick with lots of ice,aggitation,pull bags after a 10 min mix,the best will be there in a fair amount,then run again.
I think to many people mix too long too slow.
peace.

 

[Gray Wolf]

1.0 Charas hand rubbed

2.0 Kif dry sieve extraction
2.1 Kif, dry ice extraction
2.2 Kif refinement

3.0 Ice water extraction
3.1 Full melt refinement.

4.0 Alkane extraction:

4.1 BHO (Butane)
4.2 Hexane
4.3 Other
4.4 Alkane refinement
4.4.1 BHO/BHC (Butane Hash Oleoresin/Concrete ) + 5.7 Alcohol (EtOH)
5.0 Alcohol extraction:

5.1 QWISO Isopropyl
5.2 QWET Ethanol
5.3 QWME Methanol
5.4 QWDE Denatured
5.5 Alcohol soxhlet and refluxing.
5.6 Other
5.7 Alcohol refinement

6.0 Other organic solvent extractions:

6.1 QWAT Acetone
6.2 Glycerin
6.3 Oils and fats
6.4 Other
6.5 Refinement

7.0 CO2 extraction
7.1 Refinement

8.0 Steam extraction
8.1 Refinement

9.0 Fractional extraction and distillation using vaporization

10.0 Other

I stumbled across a couple of enlightening threads on dry sieve and bubble, which I bumped for ya'll's joy and amazement.

If any of ya'll more gifted with the forum search engine knows of any others, how about bumping them too?

 

[meltybubble]

Heads sore from the bumpin Gray,or maybe its the import I had earlier..

 

[Gray Wolf]

Heads sore from the bumpin Gray,or maybe its the import I had earlier..

I'm thinking that it is the thought and execution that make the difference, usually influenced by the personal agenda and motives of the author.

Sometimes bumping makes the point better than trying to improve on the message!

 

[meltybubble]

Not everyone has an agenda when it comes to mj theres alot of selfless people on this site,as you know.
I will contribute with pics next run,I make small batches as I go.
peace.

 

[Gray Wolf]

i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to share, he likes his secrets

Perhaps, but hee, hee, hee, maybe ya'll just have to directly ask questions of him, besides just the other members!

For what its worth, he openly responded to my direct questions via PM.

To help ya'll get up to speed before doing so, I previously bumped two of his posts on the subject, so as to save everyone time searching and note that he has a web site dedicated to it at FullMeltBubble.com, where there are even videos.

One of the enlightening things I learned there for instance, was what strains make the best full melt.

I most certainly have not personally perfected any of my extraction skills, period. I did learn a lot myself about full melt extraction from checking out all three of those sources.

Alas, our local skill set ranges from our ex-ski bunnies gifted wooden spoon and a bucket of snow, to a Chinese counter top washing machine with bags, but our primary focus has not been on developing pristine bubble, because there are already a panoply of experts.

We don't do anything remarkably different than the information already posted on the subject by the experts, whose procedures we more or less follow, so until I discover anything new and worthwhile to offer, I will defer to the pros!

You can make full melt with dry sieve, and we do have a slick fast dry sieve device of our own design and manufacture, that we call the Grinning Reaper, that is worth checking out and building one for your very own yourself.

I will bump the thread, along with anything else that I find in my search for it, such as building your own dry sieve refinement screens.