hermie from feminised seeds

[alpinegrower]

Hi !
is the pollen produced from a plant which was grown from feminised seed and turned into hermie fertile ?

 

[DeoXy]

Hey Alpine.. it CAN be fertile... but not always.. guess it depends on certain conditions? that's atleast my understanding.. usually with fem. seed plants that have hermied on me in the past(usually from long flowering periods) they tended to more self polinate them selves but produced false seed pods.. might find a hollow white seed here or there...nothing usable tho.

 

[GoneRooty]

Even if the seeds are viable, they will most likely end up herming as well. That's the problem with feminized seeds.

 

[BlazingSaddles]

Hey Alpine.. it CAN be fertile... but not always.. guess it depends on certain conditions? that's atleast my understanding.. usually with fem. seed plants that have hermied on me in the past(usually from long flowering periods) they tended to more self polinate them selves but produced false seed pods.. might find a hollow white seed here or there.

Lets discuss this!
This is something im very interested in.. but know little about. From my recent pack of 10 feminized seeds i got one self pollenator. It did exactly what u just mentioned DeoXy it produced false seed pods with some hollow beginnings of seeds here and there. I barely even noticed this until i looked real closely and saw this happening in about week 8 of flower.. then i kinda panicked a bit and insta-harvested it to protect my room from any pollen not knowing any better.

To add further complexity to this issue, the weed from this plant was the best from any of the 10 seeds i harvested. I have a clone from it vegging now that is around 2 foot currently.

My question is, will this clone of the self-pollenator do the same thing as the mother it came from? (im guessing yes). I would dearly like to keep this pheno its skunk#1 and i really like the smoke it produced very tasty and enjoyable etc..

Should i just ditch it and move on or is there hope to keep this strain / pheno for future generations of clones.

Would love to hear some answers from peeps with experience in these matters. This is the first time ive ever seen this happen.


Many thanks in advance
BlazingSaddles

 

[GoneRooty]

If you have clones of it, they will be genetically identical to the mother plant. Not sure why you want it to self pollinate, if you want to keep the strain, either grow one into a mother and take clones, or just take clones of it every time before you flip to 12/12.

 

[BlazingSaddles]

If you have clones of it, they will be genetically identical to the mother plant. Not sure why you want it to self pollinate, if you want to keep the strain, either grow one into a mother and take clones, or just take clones of it every time before you flip to 12/12.

Dude re read my post obviously i dont want it to self pollinate.. I wanted to continue growing the strain because it produces very nice smoke. I was asking if this was going to be possible seeing as it has self pollination issues. One clear concern is if this plant is in the flower room and it self pollinates will this endanger my other girls in there with it?

BlazingSaddles

 

[DeoXy]

Lets discuss this!
This is something im very interested in.. but know little about. From my recent pack of 10 feminized seeds i got one self pollenator. It did exactly what u just mentioned DeoXy it produced false seed pods with some hollow beginnings of seeds here and there. I barely even noticed this until i looked real closely and saw this happening in about week 8 of flower.. then i kinda panicked a bit and insta-harvested it to protect my room from any pollen not knowing any better.

To add further complexity to this issue, the weed from this plant was the best from any of the 10 seeds i harvested. I have a clone from it vegging now that is around 2 foot currently.

My question is, will this clone of the self-pollenator do the same thing as the mother it came from? (im guessing yes). I would dearly like to keep this pheno its skunk#1 and i really like the smoke it produced very tasty and enjoyable etc..

Should i just ditch it and move on or is there hope to keep this strain / pheno for future generations of clones.

Would love to hear some answers from peeps with experience in these matters. This is the first time ive ever seen this happen.


Many thanks in advance
BlazingSaddles

Sorry not to thread jack.. just answering this : My GHS Trainwreck Fem. seed plant from my prev. grow did this at about the 8th going into 9th week... I didn't chop it/seperate it and NONE of the surrounding plants got effected.. might not want to risk it tho.. I can imagine it still would be possible if the pollen by chance happens to be fertile... Doesn't mean it will ALWAYS happen.. hermies tend to be stress/envior. related, and I've had plenty of fem. seed plants that didn't hermie at all, could also be genetic related...

 

[GoneRooty]

Dude re read my post obviously i dont want it to self pollinate.. I wanted to continue growing the strain because it produces very nice smoke. I was asking if this was going to be possible seeing as it has self pollination issues. One clear concern is if this plant is in the flower room and it self pollinates will this endanger my other girls in there with it?

BlazingSaddles

My mistake, I misread. Yes, most likely the clones with have the same tendency to herm, and if they do produce viable pollen, it could very well pollinate everything in your room. The best advice I could give, if you're willing to risk it, is watch them very closely at the end of the flowering cycle (this is when they will most likely herm) and cut them as soon as you see any male flowers. The only thing to worry about with this is that they could still herm sooner if they are stressed.

 

[BlazingSaddles]

Lol yeah sorry OP i dont mean to thread hijack either.. but this is related i guess.

Thanks Deoxy and Gonerooty i appreciate the insights. Like i said i do have one clone of this "self pollinator" its currently vegging its growing into quite a monster bush. Im definitely going to flower it soon and just keep a real close eye on it. Im pretty sure the original from seed didnt spread any pollen in my room.

It will be very interesting to see what the clone does this time round..

thanks guys
blazingsaddles

 

[BlazingSaddles]

Sorry not to thread jack.. just answering this : My GHS Trainwreck Fem. seed plant from my prev. grow did this at about the 8th going into 9th week... I didn't chop it/seperate it and NONE of the surrounding plants got effected.. might not want to risk it tho.. I can imagine it still would be possible if the pollen by chance happens to be fertile... Doesn't mean it will ALWAYS happen.. hermies tend to be stress/envior. related, and I've had plenty of fem. seed plants that didn't hermie at all, could also be genetic related...

Deoxy week 8 was exactly when i noticed my female grown from seed do this. Did you clone your GHS trainwreck mother?? If so how did the clones behave when they went to flower? This is what i wanted to try and find out...

thanks
Blazing

 

[dramamine]

Many plants produce some amount of the hollow pods you're talking about. There must be male flowers in order for pollen to be produced. I've been momentarily horrified many times by things that look like seeds, but it's calyxes, etc.

At least, it seems worthwhile to grow out the clone and keep a close eye on her around week 8 or so. If the smoke is good and you watch carefully, seems like you should be in the clear.
Hoping for the best for you...peace

 

[BlazingSaddles]

Many plants produce some amount of the hollow pods you're talking about. There must be male flowers in order for pollen to be produced. I've been momentarily horrified many times by things that look like seeds, but it's calyxes, etc.

At least, it seems worthwhile to grow out the clone and keep a close eye on her around week 8 or so. If the smoke is good and you watch carefully, seems like you should be in the clear.
Hoping for the best for you...peace

Thanks Dramamine for the very kind words! So is there a difference between hollow pods and having male flowers? Or put another way.. does a plant have to have male flowers to produce these hollow pods? Sorry if thats a dumb question i just really want to understand all of this. Do the hollow pods mean that there were male flowers on this plant producing non viable pollen? (hence the hollow pods)

BlazingSaddles

 

[dramamine]

No, it doesn't mean male flowers. I've got a cut of NYCD that has those under nearly every node...it's just genetics and all plants are different. There's lots to learn by studying these plants. Just keep your eye out.

 

[BlazingSaddles]

No, it doesn't mean male flowers. I've got a cut of NYCD that has those under nearly every node...it's just genetics and all plants are different. There's lots to learn by studying these plants. Just keep your eye out.

Oh wow thats potentially excellent news... muuahaha!!

Il keep a close eye on this girl see what happens. I just loaded a bong of this same smoke from the original seed plant which i harvested 3 weeks ago. Hit it literally less than a min ago. It tastes kinda like raspberries and hits you quite hard inside the head.. definitely the keeper from this round.

take care drama

blazing

 

[dramamine]

You too, man...good luck and maybe post up here how the second run goes, if you can. Peace!

 

[BlueGrassToker]

Blazing...
You can always backcross to obtain seed that is going to be very similar to your plant.
I takes some time and keen selecting, but it can provide you with a much more stable line than selfs from hermies can.

Your idea of using a SK1 is a good one. You want to use a donor male that is stable.
Breed YP(your plant) x SK1 male. (F1)
Select a male from the F1's and back cross it to YP (BX1)
Select a male and a female from the BX1 population, breed them and create an F2 (BX1 F2)
Select a male from the BX1 F2 generation and back cross him to YP (BX2)
Select a male and a female from the BX2 population, breed them and create an F2 (BX2 F2)
Select a male from the BX2 F2 generation and back cross him to YP (BX3)
Select a male and a female from the BX3 population, breed them and create BX3 F2, which will contain ~93.7% of the original mothers(YP) genes, and only 6.3% of the donor skunk.
The seeds you then would have will be much more stable than the selfs of the original plant, and they will all be like the mother...providing you selected for her traits throughout the process.