Life without Gravity.

[mad librettist]

Life without Gravity.

Thus I asked if you had a comment. You're too smart to act stupid.
The tea with yucca does not spoil as quickly as without the yucca. Now with all your expertise you can tear that fact apart.

I've looked at many teas Very carefully under a microscope.

there is no such thing as a stable tea.

 

[vonforne]

I start with the yucca.

Maybe add a little molasses to it.
That is the base for my tea.Then I add EWC, or whatnot is then added sometimes mixing in some flower or compost tea but the bio mass is smoothed out from the git go. The tea will last a couple of days. Half composted, termite infested yucca will bring it's own bio mass along with it as well. It seems to inhibit the bad juju while influencing the good.

I always added the yucca last. The base for my teas was just EWC and molasses. And at that time I was using too much molasses come to find out according to the higher ups. I did however keep the teas separate. Alfalfa and molasses....then yucca. And folair with it. And I was also using nutrient teas but I cannot remember if I used yucca with them.

We also had yucca plants in Florida but I was not using them raw. I think Jaykush was trying at one time to use the raw plant.

About the yucca bio mass. I have a picture in my album of that. Nice big and white and that was after making a tea with EWC and molasses.

V

 

[h.h.]

I've looked at many teas Very carefully under a microscope.

there is no such thing as a stable tea.

Then i have some good sun tea you should try.
What do you see under the microscope, lines and squiggles or squiggles and lines?

 

[h.h.]

I always added the yucca last. The base for my teas was just EWC and molasses. And at that time I was using too much molasses come to find out according to the higher ups. I did however keep the teas separate. Alfalfa and molasses....then yucca. And folair with it. And I was also using nutrient teas but I cannot remember if I used yucca with them.

We also had yucca plants in Florida but I was not using them raw. I think Jaykush was trying at one time to use the raw plant.

About the yucca bio mass. I have a picture in my album of that. Nice big and white and that was after making a tea with EWC and molasses.

V

If you're talking about big, white bubbles, yucca suds like soap. I think it also has certain anti bacterial qualities, while the myco seems to like it. My soil is like a sponge.
The bubbles create a lot of surface area that carries a lot of organic material with it, especially when using half rotted heart yucca along with EWC. This is where I think the microbes have a chance to bred. Don't know. Have to ask microscope. I do think it works well though.
I tried aloe briefly and didn't see the benefit. Perhaps I already had the bases covered or perhaps I didn't go long enough. It was just something else to buy. I now have access to the plant and have started to use some half composted pieces. Hard to compost. Stuff don't wanna die.
Will this give me what the kelp provides or will I still need kelp?
In my quest for organics, I prefer sourcing as much as possible locally and to not promote mass harvesting of natural resources, though I admit using Gravity doesn't fall into either of those categories.

 

[GoneRooty]

Then i have some good sun tea you should try.
What do you see under the microscope, lines and squiggles or squiggles and lines?

Sun tea? As in like iced tea to drink?

 

[mad librettist]

Life without Gravity.

Then i have some good sun tea you should try.
What do you see under the microscope, lines and squiggles or squiggles and lines?

I can tell you within 30 seconds of having the slide under my scope whether it is bacterial dominated, fungal dominated, anaerobic or well aerated. I can also tell you if you brewed too long. 30 seconds is all I need.

making iced tea with the sun - is that what you mean?

or is this a "compost tea" off the shelf?

when you leave a tea to its own devices, the bigger organisms eat the small ones and so on, until you have protozoa soup. that's a good way to get a quick N bump especially if you are short on protozoa, but it won't fix unbalanced soil.

 

[mad librettist]

well there are limits - I can't tell one species of bacteria from another, ever, not without DNA analysis.

But protozoa are easily identifiable as amoebae, ciliates, or flagellates. With the microbe ID DVD set I got from microbeorganics, I was able to get up to speed in about a month.

 

[h.h.]

I can tell you within 30 seconds of having the slide under my scope whether it is bacterial dominated, fungal dominated, anaerobic or well aerated. I can also tell you if you brewed too long. 30 seconds is all I need.

making iced tea with the sun - is that what you mean?

or is this a "compost tea" off the shelf?

when you leave a tea to its own devices, the bigger organisms eat the small ones and so on, until you have protozoa soup. that's a good way to get a quick N bump especially if you are short on protozoa, but it won't fix unbalanced soil.

I soak it in water, I call it tea. Usually it's half composted. The only other compost I use might be some EWC and sometimes some Great White. The yucca seems to inhibit the bacterial growth. When you find it decomposing, the saponins aren't totally deteriorated nor is the fiber. A great bacterial host. Nice and dark like the finest EWC. Unless I have a lot of fine settlement, it takes a few days for anything to dominate. It pretty much has a fresh earthy almost a lacto smell the whole time.

 

[mad librettist]

anaerobic brews are more stable.

oxygen = instability


Most people refer to anaerobic brews as fermented extracts or FPE, and actively aerated brews as "tea".


I would not mix EWC with anaerobic brews, because the anaerobes that come with EWC won't be friendly lacto.

 

[h.h.]

I guess that depends if I pump in air or not. Sometimes I do. It's better when I do. Call it an extract if you wish. It's a simple non fermented water extraction.
I'm thinking it takes time for the bacteria to grow and overcome the anti bacterial qualities of the saponins. Maybe not as much activity in the beginning. Bacteria on Ritalin comes to mind.
You're probably right. The fermentation goes on inside of the yucca before I use it. I leave it half buried for 6 months or try to find it that way. It is basically a hard tube filled with porous fibers that wick in the moisture. I've gathered it just stinking like ammonia, gave a hell of a good N boost.

 

[mad librettist]

I'm thinking it takes time for the bacteria to grow and overcome the anti bacterial qualities of the saponins.

there are plenty of bacteria/archea/algae in EWC that FEAST on saponins.

soaps help you sanitize your hands not by zapping bacteria, but by helping you remove them mechanically

 

[Microbeman]

Here's the MSDS for Gravity:
http://www.sunlightsupply.com/docs/Emerald Triangle/Gravity MSDS.pdf

According to the MSDS, Gravity consists of:
98% propylene glycol
0.1% phosphoric acid
0.01% Vitamin B1 as Thiamine HCL
0.01% Vitamin B2 as Riboflavin Phosphate Sodium
0.02% Vitamin B3 as Niacin
0.75%-1.5% Kelp Extract
0.7% Glycine

So maybe it's the propylene glycol that's such an amazing flower hardener?!?

Isn't it a non-toxic anti-freeze?

 

[CC_2U]

Isn't it a non-toxic anti-freeze?

To paraphrase the late Senator Barry Goldwater - "Extremism in the pursuit of hard nugs is no vice and reading labels is no virtue"

That ol' lovable lug, eh?

CC

 

[mad librettist]

you mean propylene glycol?

It's in lots of foods and tobacco. It keeps things moist. Those little humi-pacs are propylene glycol gel I think.

 

[Stankie]

I found this interesting, from Wikipedia

Propylene glycol is known to exert high levels of biochemical oxygen demand

Meaning it consumes a lot of oxygen in its process of breaking down, making oxygen unavailable to microbes and the soil more prone to anaerobic conditions.

Didn't even have to get past Wikipedia to make up my mind

 

[Microbeman]

I thought it was also used at airports to de-ice wings...maybe I'm confused.

 

[mad librettist]

I thought it was also used at airports to de-ice wings...maybe I'm confused.

It would probably work for that purpose...

 

[Stankie]

I thought it was also used at airports to de-ice wings...maybe I'm confused.

One of the many 'approved' uses.

 

[CC_2U]

LMAO