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Did I screw up with my bulk kelp purchase?

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CC_2U

grapeman said:
I totally disagree with CC2U. That Acadian kelp is not the same Acadian kelp I get bulk in farming. The ratios are completely different. 2% K by weight is a long long way from 17% k by weight.

So I'm sure it will offer some goodness but it is NOT the same product.

See my label ratios below.

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ROFLMAO

You're showing a f*cking label from Acadian Seaplants Seaweed EXTRACT and you want to call me on the fact that it's not the same as Acadian Seaplants Kelp MEAL?

Bingo! You're right! Man am I embarrassed or what?

Thanks for sharing.

CC
 
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CC_2U

GoneRooty said:
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Sweet, thanks for the ratios CC. I checked out Concentrates website and love their prices, but also found out that they link to a talk by the owner of the shop I get my stuff from already. I'm sure he's getting everything from them, and his mark up isn't horrible on most of it. But I'm gonna grab some of the stuff I use most from concentrates.
Next time your on their site, check out the "Gary's Bits" section, he's who I get most of my amendments from.
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I noticed that link before and wasn't sure what the relationship was and it sounds like you have a solid source closer to home.

On the Gaia Green Canadian Glacial Rock Dust out of British Columbia, Concentrates hooked up with them before rock dusts were much in demand. By last year they sold over 150 tons on that product alone - probably one of Gaia Green's largest distributor in the western US.

Same deal with Pacific Pearl (out of Petaluma, California) on the oyster shell powder mined from the bottom of San Francisco Bay. They sell pallets and pallets of this product because as you well know about the acid soil deal west of the Cascade Mountains.

CC
 
mad librettist

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Yes, that's the right kelp meal to use.

no, the sodium won't hurt.


grapeman posted a pic of an extract label, not meal.
 
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CC_2U

Mad

Just to be helpful to Grape (and perhaps others) here's a really quick guide to kelp and seaweed extract.

1. If you bought a bag and the word 'Kelp' appears on the bag and it costs under $100.00 for 50 lbs. (hopefully) and it's various shades of green and it's a consistent size - that's kelp MEAL

2. If you bought a box with the terms 'seaweed extract' and it's a black powder and it came in a 20 kg. (44.1 lb.) pack and costs around $425.00 - that's seaweed EXTRACT

3. It's helpful to not only read the label on the package to note the difference but the price difference should be a real solid indicator of which one you have.

And on another note - it will be a benefit to the gardener to adjust the application rates of kelp MEAL vs. seaweed EXTRACT. That's been my experience anyway.

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mad librettist

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oh absolutely CC, AGREED 100%.

I don't top dress extract, but I have actually used it in a mix with success. Mostly I use it to water every week or so.
 
grapeman

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CC_2U said:
ROFLMAO

You're showing a f*cking label from Acadian Seaplants Seaweed EXTRACT and you want to call me on the fact that it's not the same as Acadian Seaplants Kelp MEAL?

Bingo! You're right! Man am I embarrassed or what?

Thanks for sharing.

CC
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While I respect your input, I don't see on the label by the OP that this is kelp meal. Nor did the OP say he was buying kelp meal. He was buying kelp or seaweed.

You are awfully thinned skinned. As you've posted before, "seaweed" and "kelp" are one in the same.

That product is not the same as what I would use thinking I am buying a quality kelp or seaweed product.

for kelp meal, I would look for the "Algit" product.

I've compared labels for over 40 years CC, and it wasn't for my backyard.

The products are not the same. Numbers don't lie. WTF is your problem? I love backyard gardeners. They always know everything.
 
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CC_2U

organicterra said:
So what's the difference between the Algit kelp meal and the Acadian Kelp meal?
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Nothing - they're both dried North Atlantic Kelp (Ascophyllum nodosum) and then chopped/cut/sliced/diced and screened for consistent size.

Algit isn't 'packed' by anyone but them. That was a trick question for Grapeman and his game he's playing.

Maxicrop, Acadian Seaplants, Algit (and the 4 other co-packers based in Norway) all pull from the same waters under an international treaty signed in the early 1970's which has been reviewed and re-signed 3 times since then.

Seaweed extract is made from the same kelp variety. Maxicrop uses a heat alkaline extraction process (as do the other Norway-based processors). Acadian Seaplants uses a cold alkaline extraction process.

Why Grapeman is playing this game comparing an extract with a kelp meal is something that is bouncing around his head for some level of attention that he finds helpful.

Oh yeah - and when he can't come up with anything cogent or even close he resorts to his usual schtick of 'Well, speaking as a farmer...........'

Laughable. If a 'farmer' can't tell the difference between a 'kelp meal' and a 'seaweed extract' perhaps a new claim might be warranted. No company which takes kelp and removes the elements and compounds and turns it into a black powder (seaweed extract) uses the term 'kelp' in the product name.

Same with each and every kelp meal processor - the terms 'seaweed extract' do not appear on the package or label.

On another thread I pointed out that by law agriculture labels are required to be written at a 6th grade level - obviously the bar needs to be lowered to be more inclusive.

CC
 
GoneRooty

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CC_2U said:
On another thread I pointed out that by law agriculture labels are required to be written at a 6th grade level - obviously the bar needs to be lowered to be more inclusive.

CC
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Yeah but CC, who actually reads labels? or msds's for that point? It's so much easier to just believe what sunlight supply or the guy at the hydro store says.
 
grapeman

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CC_2U said:
Nothing - they're both dried North Atlantic Kelp (Ascophyllum nodosum) and then chopped/cut/sliced/diced and screened for consistent size.

Algit isn't 'packed' by anyone but them. That was a trick question for Grapeman and his game he's playing.

Maxicrop, Acadian Seaplants, Algit (and the 4 other co-packers based in Norway) all pull from the same waters under an international treaty signed in the early 1970's which has been reviewed and re-signed 3 times since then.

Seaweed extract is made from the same kelp variety. Maxicrop uses a heat alkaline extraction process (as do the other Norway-based processors). Acadian Seaplants uses a cold alkaline extraction process.

Why Grapeman is playing this game comparing an extract with a kelp meal is something that is bouncing around his head for some level of attention that he finds helpful.

Oh yeah - and when he can't come up with anything cogent or even close he resorts to his usual schtick of 'Well, speaking as a farmer...........'

Laughable. If a 'farmer' can't tell the difference between a 'kelp meal' and a 'seaweed extract' perhaps a new claim might be warranted. No company which takes kelp and removes the elements and compounds and turns it into a black powder (seaweed extract) uses the term 'kelp' in the product name.

Same with each and every kelp meal processor - the terms 'seaweed extract' do not appear on the package or label.

On another thread I pointed out that by law agriculture labels are required to be written at a 6th grade level - obviously the bar needs to be lowered to be more inclusive.

CC
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blow me CC. I've forgotten more then you think you know.

I've used acadian seaweed products since the early '80's. I, unlike yourself, don't need to charge my ego here.
 
mad librettist

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I, unlike yourself, don't need to charge my ego here.
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CC charges up his ego by helping others and making some laughs along the way.

I try to do that too.

Why are you calling a good thing bad?


You should be backwardsman, not grapeman.
 
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vonforne

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Understand?????

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this thread is old, but as a long shot, any idea is there is something like concentrates in the northeast or midwest even. I like the prices just cant imagine shipping across country. Cheers
 
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