June 2011+ Current Elites

[FinallyFree]

okay about cloning in flower, its best not to do it. but if you have to do it, do it as soon as possible, this will add about two weeks to the veg time, thats why its best not to do it and the growth with be abnormal unless you top the tip of the clone once its rooted.

And yes you will need a light setup for a mother plant, since this is on the cheap i suggest a 5gal bucket if you have one laying around, a box, anything that is relitively small to get the most from your lights. you can actually use just one 45 or 60w flourescent light bulb to veg a mother plant just fine. If you use a box or something to keep the light from spilling out, use tin foil to line the box if you use one. top the clone mother all the time, it creates brances/future clones.

that is weeks down the road though.. What you need to clone as of right now, and you could actually do it with rooting hormone and a cup but the survival rate is not good.. anyway, rooting hormone $5, clean razor blade $2(make sure there is no lubricant on them if they are in a dispencer), bottled water, aquarium air pump $8-10, long airstone $5, and a small tupperware thing to put them in, hook it all up and you will have rooted clones within two weeks. and for the rooting hormone application, you simply swab the cut stem in the powder or gel, then place in the water. The reason i use tin foil is because i can easily hold up the clones, easily check them, thats about it.

There are many threads on the site about how to clone, but that is basically all you need, aerated water, and a cutting

thanks for the tips, but i have a hard time skimming through the countless threads in which people bicker back and forth on what works vs what doesn't, etc. I would need a straight forward, tried and tested method with listed equipment and maybe even where to buy it before i get going...LOL...but i think i may hold off at least until my next grow, that way i have SOME cash going back on my investment plus i will have fresher seed stock with better genetics.

I have 8 miles high, kalichakra, citral, bubblicious and one other strain going currently for a total of 11 females...will be 11 females under 2,000 watts and then when i get more seed packs i'll be running hopefully 4 females under a separate 400w CMH for a total of 2,400w.

 

[AmeriSkunk]

and your okay with just losing all those genetics?? You must have gone mad man... lol. I would keep everything, then graft cuts together when i was running out of room, im a cannabis hoarder, lol

 

[AmeriSkunk]

But man, im telling you, with a tupperware container, a dremmel tool, air pump, air stone, and some sponge, you can have a professional looking bullble cloner for under $20, I like the tin foil top personally, ive used both and the sponges look cool and clean but they were a hassle

 

[FinallyFree]

and your okay with just losing all those genetics?? You must have gone mad man... lol. I would keep everything, then graft cuts together when i was running out of room, im a cannabis hoarder, lol

haha well i'm literally starting flowering within a week maybe even in the next day or two as many say you want to typically start before the plants veg out above 14"...and they're just about there...so maybe next time

plus, all in all, the strains i'll have in a few months will blow these out of the water more than likely..


OH, another question. If i have 2 tents in which I am growing from seed and i start cloning...you say they root in 2 weeks...wouldnt i need to have a dedicated veg chamber or something because where would i put the rooted clones if both tents are flowering out females?

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Nice. Do you have any suggestions on threads or even just post where and how I should start? You're talking to a straight from seed grower, somewhat new to the game (only been growing past 2 years) and just recently recreated my medium (went from coco+ffof to promix bx, ffof, ewc, dolomite lime, perlite) and with that alone the growth of the plants is 10x what it was in the coco...plus in the coco+ffof i had shitloads of issues with nute lockout and other dumb shit.

So i need florescent lighting...is this that T5 shit i hear about? What type of equipment would i need to grab up to start cloning this time around aside from the rubbermaid? Don't i need rooting gel or something? What do i put the cuttings in? How do i keep the humidity so high? I remember growing shrooms and keeping such a high humidity was a fucking pain in the ass.

I'd say it's easiest to use peat pellets or rapid rooter or root riot plugs. they're all relatively cheap. a little bit of rooting hormone, which they sell small amounts for cheap also, a humidity dome and some cfl lights. you don't need to go t5, thats how it will get expensive. I recently bought 2 t5 set ups, and I love them, but they're pretty expensive and I resisted getting them for a long time.

if you feel like you're a handy man you could build a cloner for real cheap... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40055

 

[FinallyFree]

I'd say it's easiest to use peat pellets or rapid rooter or root riot plugs. they're all relatively cheap. a little bit of rooting hormone, which they sell small amounts for cheap also, a humidity dome and some cfl lights. you don't need to go t5, thats how it will get expensive. I recently bought 2 t5 set ups, and I love them, but they're pretty expensive and I resisted getting them for a long time.

if you feel like you're a handy man you could build a cloner for real cheap... https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40055

See I get lost when people start referring to air pumps and air stones or shit like that, I understand the concept behind cloning but I would fuck up any DIY shit if it starts getting into crazy amounts of measuring, cutting with power tools, etc. LOL i'm sure i could handle most of it but I would need something reliable, not trailerpark cheap i'm willing to spend a few bucks but i could fathom spending 100 or so maybe a bit more for a nice cloning setup...

..but it brings me back to my other question, i would need a veg tent and a flower tent if i'm cloning, right? Like if I had 12 females flowering and the cuts are say 3 weeks old, where would i veg em? lol

 

[TickleMyBalls]

yes, you will need separate areas, but they won't have to be very big. my veg room is 5x5x5 and I run 1kw MH in it. my area with my cloner in it is 3x3 with a T5 light over it. where as my flower room at this spot is 10x12x7.

 

[AmeriSkunk]

yeah eventually you would need to build something for the clones, but this will allow you to flower continuiously, and harvest at different times, to spread out the trim work and carpeltunnel, lol. Cloning is totally worth it, you have lots and lots of pros, and no cons that i can think of

You could even do it like this man, have the cloner, use one tent as a veg room and one as a flower roo, or and this is what i would do, i would build a small veg station, flouros are fine and use both tents for flower and have a 4wk harvest seperation, thats in a way a prepetual harvest

 

[AmeriSkunk]

Look on e-bay for a cloner, im sure they would have one on there, surely nobody is chargin $100 for any type of cloner unless its a huge one with a light setup and all that

 

[FinallyFree]

Hmm. See my original goal was to have a 'personal stash' tent, which is the Homebox L, and a 'commercial' tent, which is the growlab GL145L.

Being I have only 1 room to use (fairly decent sized room as it holds both tents with more room available) I have to figure out a way to be able to clone and veg separately while having a separate 'personal stash' tent and 'commercial' tent.

GL 145L - 9'6" x 4'9" x 6'7" = my flowering room

here's a good question:

how can i effectively utilize the GL145L with 2 x 1000w for commercial, while still holding the Homebox L for personal, while cloning, while having a constant veg room for mothers and/or clones?

I see the clone lab looks nice (but expensive):

 

[FirstTracks]

how can i effectively utilize the GL145L with 2 x 1000w for commercial, while still holding the Homebox L for personal, while cloning, while having a constant veg room for mothers and/or clones?

Flower everything in the GL145L. Run a perpetual harvest system if possible.

Veg everything and keep moms and clones in the Homebox L. Work in something to diffuse the light over the clones or just offset a smaller light like a 400w to the side with the vegging plants.

If you run it like that, you can trim a little at a time and just have a small amount at a time(small compared to pulling down 2kw worth of buds at once). With a dedicated veg tent, you could veg different plants to different heights to account for their stretch, or lack thereof, in flowering. This might help you get more even canopies too.

 

[FinallyFree]

Flower everything in the GL145L. Run a perpetual harvest system if possible.

Veg everything and keep moms and clones in the Homebox L. Work in something to diffuse the light over the clones or just offset a smaller light like a 400w to the side with the vegging plants.

If you run it like that, you can trim a little at a time and just have a small amount at a time(small compared to pulling down 2kw worth of buds at once). With a dedicated veg tent, you could veg different plants to different heights to account for their stretch, or lack thereof, in flowering. This might help you get more even canopies too.

Makes a lot of sense, but being flowering takes twice as long as veg does, what happens when i have vegged plants, ready for flower, but i have no room in the GL145L and flowering still has a month to go?

I'm not necessarily against an additional tent, it just may have to be in a different room or something if it will allow for an easier 'process', if you will. I can combine everything to 1 tent IE ONE flower tent, ONE veg tent, ONE clone tent, etc. I just like having the additional 400watts as it provides an additional 6-8 ounces of stash at the end of the day...still kinda want 2,400w worth of bud if you know what i mean...

 

[AmeriSkunk]

this is why you have a clone mother... you need to time your cuts from her. sldo if you feel a bad situation coming on like them outgrowing the tent the top them, use those tops for cuts. that will give you more cuts from your mother plant also

 

[FinallyFree]

this is why you have a clone mother... you need to time your cuts from her. sldo if you feel a bad situation coming on like them outgrowing the tent the top them, use those tops for cuts. that will give you more cuts from your mother plant also

but up until i have a mother, how do i 'time' the cuts as i have to cut before flowering, flowering takes ~2 months while the rooting process and veg time would only be what, 1-1.5 months?

 

[AmeriSkunk]

you will probably just have to eat a month or so on the first round of clones, that part does suck but you need to think about the long term bennifits, i was hesitant at first when i went from seeds to clones too

and there is not really any way to do all of that in one tent, i would be nice but it just cant happen. I would be very impressed if you could make that happen

 

[AmeriSkunk]

yeah 1.5-2 months give or take two weeks. Some strains root faster and slower, so you will have to learn the strains that way, and also the bigger the clones you take the less time you have to veg but that makes them harder to root. but with a bubble cloner of any kind they should all root 8/10 at least. But some people say og cuts can take up to a month to root... idk about that but anyway

 

[FinallyFree]

cool...lots to take in there, it's getting a bit late and this pill has me all fucked up so it's bout time i take my ass to bed....appreciate the input on this, i'll have to delve deeper and figure out a setup that would work for what i want, but i have the process essentially down. thanks for taking the time to explain what you could...appreciate it


but anyway....back to original topic....



Current List:

Sativa
1.) CD Sour Diesel**
2.) SS Kali Mist*
3.) BOG LSD
4.) Soma NYC Diesel
5.) Sensi Mother's Finest (questionable, germination issues)

Indica
1.) BOG Lifesaver, Bogglegum
2.) Tom Hill Deep Chunk*
3.) THSeeds Heavy Duty Fruity (questionable, germination issues)
4.) Soma Reclining Buddha
5.) SS AK-47

New Recommendations

BOG Grape Punch
Rez SSSDH S1
Rez Trainwreck Kush

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* = (1) recommendation

If there are 2-3 negative or positive reviews/recommendations of a particular strain it will result in me probably not running it or running it, depending on if the recommendations are positive or negative.

Again, those who have any experience growing above strains please send in your input to this thread - grow logs, advice, links to your thread with pics, etc. Anything will help in determining the elites i need to grab up.
Keep in mind please only recommend seeds that are currently available on the boo/bay, no clones, no other vendors, etc.

 

[lokes]

Kali Mist is great but expect 90+ days, and one hell of a stretch. (maybe see root bounding sativa thread, to reduce stretch) forget the exact one, but yeah.
She goes lanky.

 

[growhigh1233]

dont know if these have been mentioned but in my view these are some of the most elete strains today !!

f13 dj
highlandmexicanxblueberry -chrimera
mango haze ,mr nice
nevils hazex mango - mr nice
bangi haze - ace
golden tiger - ace
destroyer - cannaboigen
sand storm - cannaboigen
super lemon haze - green house
sour deisel - several breeders
nepalese jam - ace
keep them coming people!! the list will be exellent if everyone gives there views

 

[AmeriSkunk]

No problem man, and i forgot to mention the new obvious breeder, seed company, and specific gear.

Take a look at Steele Savage and the GrindHouse seed company, The Prophet to be more specific... i believe his gear is all based off of Pure Kush, it might be the Danko cut, im not really sure though