June 2011+ Current Elites

[FinallyFree]

So as we are all aware of many people enjoy various different strains for various reasons - pain relief, mental highs, etc. I am going to be, very soon, purchasing strictly elite strains from the Boo/Bay in small increments, probably 2 elite 10 packs at a time. Readers - please post ONLY if you have experience growing the particular strain you recommend and ONLY if it was bought from recent stock and are readily available through online ordering from various vendors. I say this because I don't want to hear about the strains you smoked in '95 or some elite cut you got at some cannabis club. I live on the east coast, I have no access to clones nor do I have the proper setup or equipment to clone, so for now I am growing straight from seed probably for the next year. If you have experience growing the strains I have listed, PLEASE reply! Other recommendations are welcome, obviously.

So, onto the seeds. Remember, only recommend based on experience with the primary attribute being consistency. I understand each strain is different, so other attributes can all be accommodated if the strain is worth it. Keep in mind when I say sativa or indica i'm referring to sativa-dominant or indica-dominant strains.

Here is what I have come up with based on reading countless threads and watching various grows take place.

Sativa
1.) CD Sour Diesel
2.) SS Kali Mist
3.) BOG LSD
4.) Soma NYC Diesel
5.) Sensi Mother's Finest

Indica
1.) BOG Lifesaver, Bogglegum
2.) Tom Hill Deep Chunk
3.) THSeeds Heavy Duty Fruity
4.) Soma Reclining Buddha
5.) SS AK-47

I do, regardless, want to run ALL of BOG's strains.


Input/Suggestions/Additions/Criticisms on above strains welcome...

And if you by any chance have pictures or grow logs you can refer to for ANY of the above strains that are recent (IE, last 6 months) please post or link!

 

[TickleMyBalls]

what year did that list come from? thats like '04-'05 gear right there. seriously i haven't heard anything good about anything from sensi or THSeeds in years. in fact i have friends that have had terrible germ rates with sensi seeds recently. I've grown 5 out of 10 of those strains, none of them are really "elite" or even keepers. i think you need to expand your search. out of that list the only ones really worth growing are sour diesel, and deep chunk. although i've heard of reclining buddha turning out some nice meds.

either way. I literally grew Bogglegum, NYCD, Mothers Finest and LSD in '05 when they were all relatively new. as far as 2011 goes, theres nothing on that list that is new. unless that 1.) is Chemdawgxsour d. otherwise thats all old news.

 

[FinallyFree]

what year did that list come from? thats like '04-'05 gear right there. seriously i haven't heard anything good about anything from sensi or THSeeds in years. in fact i have friends that have had terrible germ rates with sensi seeds recently. I've grown 5 out of 10 of those strains, none of them are really "elite" or even keepers. i think you need to expand your search. out of that list the only ones really worth growing are sour diesel, and deep chunk. although i've heard of reclining buddha turning out some nice meds.

either way. I literally grew Bogglegum, NYCD, Mothers Finest and LSD in '05 when they were all relatively new. as far as 2011 goes, theres nothing on that list that is new. unless that 1.) is Chemdawgxsour d. otherwise thats all old news.

It's not about when the strains were released. These strains listed have at least (from what I have read) consistent reports that put them in the 'elite' category. Reports such as yours help me in making my decision...IE telling me how people have had poor germ rates, etc. BOG strains, regardless, have been consistent throughout the years and many long time heads have backed up the hype... so, in response, list what strains aren't worth buying for any reason (bad germ rates, overpriced, etc.)

PS, i have heard similar reports about THseeds and sensi, along with greenhouse....but then some people come thru and report they had great success....I guess it's all a shot in the dark...but suggest some new elites worth running instead of just saying basically 'theyre old'

 

[kaneboy]

chemdogxsour diesel-absolutely a near perfect strain rez
sour diesel-taste it and everything gets compared to this strain mind blowing rez
cheesedog-stinky cheese with chemdog connoiseur
granddoggy purps-another chemdog cross with granddaddy purple
bluemoon rocks-blueberry mix that is real sweet in smell and taste bog
cinderella99bx-1 very common pineapple pheno definately a elite mosca

 

[kaneboy]

chemdogxsour diesel-absolutely a near perfect strain rez
sour diesel-taste it and everything gets compared to this strain mind blowing rez
cheesedog-stinky cheese with chemdog connoiseur
granddoggy purps-another chemdog cross with granddaddy purple
bluemoon rocks-blueberry mix that is real sweet in smell and taste bog
cinderella99bx-1 very common pineapple pheno definately a elite mosca

they all at seedboutique just not sure with cindy99 that one gos fast but cheesedog and granddoggy purps are from connoiseur seeds and they have a lot of great strains and just bought out some wicked female seeds,bluemoon rocks from bog,cinderella 99 from mosca negra and the others are reservoir also check out dutchgrown shes hot too

 

[AmeriSkunk]

oh and i wanted to ask what you mean about not having enouh money to set up a cloning station? Dude you can do it inside a tupperware tote, no visible light if you do it right. I could set up a cloner with things around my house to be honest.. you need an air pump, a long airstone, something to hold water, tin foil, and rooting hormone.. thats like $18...

But i do feel ya about being in a bind, im not currently but have had to grow my way out of one, lol. Im about to do that again... have to move first got busted big as shit here before so fuck risking it

 

[FinallyFree]

I took the time and waited, and waited, and waited for the proper time to set up this grow. The only thing I need to do at this point is get some new carbon filters, and i'm set. I live alone and both neighbors on either side of me are gone - one house is abandoned and the other house they just up and moved, no for sale sign or anything. Even if they come back, 1 neighbor vs 2 is great. Plus, i've lived here all my life and my neighbors knew my parents etc so I have a good rep in the neighborhood, i don't cause problems, cops have never been called to my house, etc. I go to work every day, i hold a normal life outside of growing so i don't draw any attention - i bought a tent as it helps contain the light (a dead giveaway in some situations) and i have taken measures to ensure that FLIR can't even spot my shit more than likely. My main concern will be selling, as many of us do, and even then I have tactics set up so that traffic to my home is eliminated and buyers are limited extremely to close friends that i can trust with my life. They don't even know i grow, they think it comes from a marine sniper in nevada.

 

[krunchbubble]

so krunch, you seem like an established member...what's your recommendations for elites to purchase from the boo/bay?

right now, i would take advantage of REZ's sssdh and his trainwreck kush, both relatively cheap compared to all his other gear....

subrob just dropped a whole bunch or C99's last night, im sure there still are some, at around $50, they are a steal....

Fritillary Seeds atlantic pack at $20......

bog grape punch......

also look into the private breeders section, always killer deals to be had...

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Actually, I've just upgraded my electrical system ($1000 unfortunately for a subpanel), bought the tent (which was expensive) factor in hoods, light bulbs, fan, soil, seeds...i'm broke bro, at least until I harvest my first harvest then i can start paying on my investment and start purchasing true elites that are upwards of $100....for now i'm researching so when that time comes i have the research done and can make the purchases.

First purchase is probably going to be 2 BOG strains more than likely, from there it's all up in the air.

Due to my state being anti-everything with weed (no decrim, no medical, etc.) getting involved with other distributors can be questionable. I have experience ordering from the boo with the secure method of money order / sent to alternate, unrelated address that can't be traced back to grow location. i don't know the legitimacy of dealing with individual breeders as there really is no 'base' for the sale....as with the boo/bay there is an established site with established forum in which complaints will be addressed versus the chance of someone taking your money and bouncing..

if you're looking for some special smoke and you're dead set on BOG, I'd say do the bogglegum and sour bubble. I have heard of some unreal plants coming out of the sour bub. and when I grew bogglegum, I ended up with every pheno possible, all were pleasant, I was a young grower and didn't know how to clone then, but thinking back, they probably would have been keepers for me.

and by the way, there is no investment or equipment needed for cloning really. you just need to read up and do it. maybe $20 max in supplies and a razor blade or scissors. it's simple and if you find something you like, you will be VERY upset when you don't have it anymore, and no one else has it either, cause you were the one to find the one special plant and didn't hold onto it.

I found a pheno in the GN03 C99 F2s that was unbelievable, completely different than the pineapple/grapefruit everyone keeps. but I didn't clone then and i've been searching for something similar for 6 years. no one kept that expression cause it took 10 days longer and stretched more.

 

[FinallyFree]

if you want the top of the top just look at my mom list for your strain selection,cant go wrong with any of them.

LOL i see them but honestly most of the ones you are referring to aren't readily available from the boo/bay if i'm not mistaken...

 

[FinallyFree]

if you're looking for some special smoke and you're dead set on BOG, I'd say do the bogglegum and sour bubble. I have heard of some unreal plants coming out of the sour bub. and when I grew bogglegum, I ended up with every pheno possible, all were pleasant, I was a young grower and didn't know how to clone then, but thinking back, they probably would have been keepers for me.

and by the way, there is no investment or equipment needed for cloning really. you just need to read up and do it. maybe $20 max in supplies and a razor blade or scissors. it's simple and if you find something you like, you will be VERY upset when you don't have it anymore, and no one else has it either, cause you were the one to find the one special plant and didn't hold onto it.

I found a pheno in the GN03 C99 F2s that was unbelievable, completely different than the pineapple/grapefruit everyone keeps. but I didn't clone then and i've been searching for something similar for 6 years. no one kept that expression cause it took 10 days longer and stretched more.

See, that's where I'm confused. I know the supplies are cheap, but how exactly do I clone? I mean i know the 'process' IE take a cutting, root it, high humidity, etc...but don't you have to have a 'mother' that is strictly for clones? Since I am growing from seed and i only veg for 5-7 weeks then flower, how would i take cuttings from plants i am flowering? wouldn't i need to have a separate grow area on say an 18/6 lighting schedule and keep a mother in veg mode forever? I don't understand the process very well as i've always just started from seed...

 

[AmeriSkunk]

damn... they got ya with the limited release i see, lol. But hey, in reality, if you find a potent keeper, it was all worth it, from my point of view anyway, yours is the same from what im meaning. Its a business investment in a way

 

[AmeriSkunk]

im about to message you about cloning on the cheap

 

[FinallyFree]

im about to message you about cloning on the cheap

Wont work, under 50 posts. Haven't had an account here in months, just hit it up here....

but read my one post a few posts up...not sure how i would keep a mother or how that all works.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

See, that's where I'm confused. I know the supplies are cheap, but how exactly do I clone? I mean i know the 'process' IE take a cutting, root it, high humidity, etc...but don't you have to have a 'mother' that is strictly for clones? Since I am growing from seed and i only veg for 5-7 weeks then flower, how would i take cuttings from plants i am flowering? wouldn't i need to have a separate grow area on say an 18/6 lighting schedule and keep a mother in veg mode forever? I don't understand the process very well as i've always just started from seed...

what you do is veg the plants out, right before you go to flip them into flowering take a few cuttings from each plant and label them however you want to distinguish which plant is which. while you have your room flowering you will also need a small area the size of like a rubbermaid tub that you will be able to keep flourescent lights on 24 hours a day over the clones while they root. in 2 weeks or so, they should all be rooted. then just keep them in the same spot on an 18/6 cycle until you can tell which plants grow best and you might want to keep and grow again.

then down the line once you're paid off and able to expand a bit, you take the small clones of the plants you want to keep and veg them longer and bigger into moms that you can take lots of clones off of to fill out entire runs.

 

[FinallyFree]

what you do is veg the plants out, right before you go to flip them into flowering take a few cuttings from each plant and label them however you want to distinguish which plant is which. while you have your room flowering you will also need a small area the size of like a rubbermaid tub that you will be able to keep flourescent lights on 24 hours a day over the clones while they root. in 2 weeks or so, they should all be rooted. then just keep them in the same spot on an 18/6 cycle until you can tell which plants grow best and you might want to keep and grow again.

then down the line once you're paid off and able to expand a bit, you take the small clones of the plants you want to keep and veg them longer and bigger into moms that you can take lots of clones off of to fill out entire runs.

Ok so if I understand correctly the first 'mother' will eventually flower and be harvested, but after i take cuttings and get em rooted...but see, that brings up a few questions. Being i'm coming from seed I don't know what pheno I'll get with the plant, and being I have to obviously take the cutting before i can taste test, you're pretty much saying i need to label them, grow them out, test, then re-cut and clone the ones i like the best, right?

So, if i got it right...

Say i grew out 10 bogglegums. 5 female, 5 male. kill the males, take cuttings of the 5 females and label them say Bogglegum1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Grow them out, taste test, then continue cloning until i have picked out which one i like the best? So in the end, there's no need to keep a 'mother' unless you have located a 'keeper', as some call it...is this right?

So i won't need much equipment in the end aside from a rubbermaid tub, some floros and some accessories, under $100?

I've been against it lately, but I'll take some pics of the grow room currently tomorrow morning and up them here, hopefully that's safe enough...the plants i'm running now are roughly between i'd say 10" - 14", with most being 12" or 14" from the base of the stem...so i guess it's just about time to start flowering.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Ok so if I understand correctly the first 'mother' will eventually flower and be harvested, but after i take cuttings and get em rooted...but see, that brings up a few questions. Being i'm coming from seed I don't know what pheno I'll get with the plant, and being I have to obviously take the cutting before i can taste test, you're pretty much saying i need to label them, grow them out, test, then re-cut and clone the ones i like the best, right?

So, if i got it right...

Say i grew out 10 bogglegums. 5 female, 5 male. kill the males, take cuttings of the 5 females and label them say Bogglegum1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Grow them out, taste test, then continue cloning until i have picked out which one i like the best? So in the end, there's no need to keep a 'mother' unless you have located a 'keeper', as some call it...is this right?

So i won't need much equipment in the end aside from a rubbermaid tub, some floros and some accessories, under $100?

I've been against it lately, but I'll take some pics of the grow room currently tomorrow morning and up them here, hopefully that's safe enough...the plants i'm running now are roughly between i'd say 10" - 14", with most being 12" or 14" from the base of the stem...so i guess it's just about time to start flowering.

yep. you've got it pretty much down. what you do is keep the labeled plants in veg, and as you see traits you like in the moms of those clones or problems with them, you can ditch them, or start cloning them more. once you have harvested and smoked every different variation, you'll be able to make a decision on what to keep. the ones you keep are now your moms and you can start cloning them.

you can either keep the mom and do multiple clone runs where you have to veg out the whole run before you flower, or you can take a few clones from a big mom and flower that out and just clone to keep the strain around instead of keeping big plants always to take cuts off of.

 

[AmeriSkunk]

okay about cloning in flower, its best not to do it. but if you have to do it, do it as soon as possible, this will add about two weeks to the veg time, thats why its best not to do it and the growth with be abnormal unless you top the tip of the clone once its rooted.

And yes you will need a light setup for a mother plant, since this is on the cheap i suggest a 5gal bucket if you have one laying around, a box, anything that is relitively small to get the most from your lights. you can actually use just one 45 or 60w flourescent light bulb to veg a mother plant just fine. If you use a box or something to keep the light from spilling out, use tin foil to line the box if you use one. top the clone mother all the time, it creates brances/future clones.

that is weeks down the road though.. What you need to clone as of right now, and you could actually do it with rooting hormone and a cup but the survival rate is not good.. anyway, rooting hormone $5, clean razor blade $2(make sure there is no lubricant on them if they are in a dispencer), bottled water, aquarium air pump $8-10, long airstone $5, and a small tupperware thing to put them in, hook it all up and you will have rooted clones within two weeks. and for the rooting hormone application, you simply swab the cut stem in the powder or gel, then place in the water. The reason i use tin foil is because i can easily hold up the clones, easily check them, thats about it.

There are many threads on the site about how to clone, but that is basically all you need, aerated water, and a cutting

 

[FinallyFree]

yep. you've got it pretty much down. what you do is keep the labeled plants in veg, and as you see traits you like in the moms of those clones or problems with them, you can ditch them, or start cloning them more. once you have harvested and smoked every different variation, you'll be able to make a decision on what to keep. the ones you keep are now your moms and you can start cloning them.

you can either keep the mom and do multiple clone runs where you have to veg out the whole run before you flower, or you can take a few clones from a big mom and flower that out and just clone to keep the strain around instead of keeping big plants always to take cuts off of.

Nice. Do you have any suggestions on threads or even just post where and how I should start? You're talking to a straight from seed grower, somewhat new to the game (only been growing past 2 years) and just recently recreated my medium (went from coco+ffof to promix bx, ffof, ewc, dolomite lime, perlite) and with that alone the growth of the plants is 10x what it was in the coco...plus in the coco+ffof i had shitloads of issues with nute lockout and other dumb shit.

So i need florescent lighting...is this that T5 shit i hear about? What type of equipment would i need to grab up to start cloning this time around aside from the rubbermaid? Don't i need rooting gel or something? What do i put the cuttings in? How do i keep the humidity so high? I remember growing shrooms and keeping such a high humidity was a fucking pain in the ass.

 

[AmeriSkunk]

**and rooting hormone