Fermented plant extracts

[CC_2U]

Jaykush

We're saying the same thing except that I didn't do a very good job of explaining the concept. And the fact that I was limiting the term 'fermentation' to the use of concentrated lactobacillus cultures.

And lavender is a prime example. Letting the lavender flowers remain in the water for the prescribed time results in an effective pesticide and fungicide.

Fermenting the lavender flowers with BIM or EM gives you none of the benefits from a natural fermenting process.

Last weekend we went to a garden fair where people bring plants (starts and such) to sell. It's an easy way to get a variety of this or that vegetable, herb or berries without sourcing 30 packs of seeds.

There was a woman there who owns one of the 200+ lavender farms in this state (shakes head) and her farm is where her retail/mail order business is based. She's growing 35 cultivars of lavender and is finishing a book to be published later this year.

I asked her a question about lavender that had been told to me by a 'certified aromatherapist' (whatever in the hell that means): "Lavender contains compounds which attract insects to their flowers and also contains another compound which kills them"

She just nodded like this was everyday knowledge. I think this is pretty fascinating and cheap insurance if all of this is true.

CC

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Well here is my fermented pineapple, kiwi, soy, aloe vera, manuka honey mash up.

Smells amazing like sweet over ripe pineapples.

Hopefully give me the enzyme boost im after

Gday CC... sounds familiar

 

[CC_2U]

The horticulturist who developed the Bocking 14 Cultivar (comfrey), Lawrence D. Hills wrote a book titled Comfrey: Past, Present and Future ($25.00 at Amazon.com) and this book is also available online to read.

Here's a good overview of the nutritional punch comfrey contains. This is a web site in England.

"Grow it and mow it"

CC

 

[Scrappy4]

As I'm collecting weeds for experimenting with some questions come to mind.

How would a alcohol fermentation using wine yeast go on weeds? I could even use malt extract (barley for natural enzymes) for the sugar for a beer dandelion concoction. I'm sure any alcohol could be evaporated or diluted enough to do no harm our precious plants.

Or could you use vinegar for a acid type fermentation/extraction, like you would for egg shells?

And lastly does anyone have a good recommendation for a field manual to identify helpfull plants? thanks scrappy

 

[jaykush]

How would a alcohol fermentation using wine yeast go on weeds? I could even use malt extract (barley for natural enzymes) for the sugar for a beer dandelion concoction. I'm sure any alcohol could be evaporated or diluted enough to do no harm our precious plants.

i am in the process of experimenting with tinctures. its unknown territory so itl be a while.

Or could you use vinegar for a acid type fermentation/extraction, like you would for egg shells?

other than the calcium phosphate with the egg shells, unknown territory.

And lastly does anyone have a good recommendation for a field manual to identify helpfull plants? thanks scrappy

it all depends on where you are, but you wont find ID to most plants we use as they are considered weeds. the best option is take a picture and post it.

all that being said, stick to the regular processes/plants until you have mastered them, then go off into unknown territory.

 

[CC_2U]

Vinegar = acetic acid

EM-1 = lactic acid

I was all excited when I looked at horticulture vinegar (20% acetic acid) because it's a very effective herbicide which doesn't kill the soil just the plant itself.

So I thought that EM-1 would be equally effective and it is not and this was the explanation given to me.

CC

 

[Stankie]

Would glycerin extracts have any purpose to your lavender/neem quest CC_2U?

 

[big_daddy]

And lastly does anyone have a good recommendation for a field manual to identify helpfull plants? thanks scrappy

Hiya scrappy,

This link might be of some use to you......it identifies weeds in Washington State. Not a field manual but good for identification on a lot of different weeds.

b_d

 

[heady blunts]

aren't alcohols pretty toxic to plants? i thought that's why an anaerobic tea could potentially harm your plants.

 

[jaykush]

aren't alcohols pretty toxic to plants? i thought that's why an anaerobic tea could potentially harm your plants.

thats why i said experimenting. i do know that alcohol extracts different constituents.

 

[heady blunts]

it could be interesting...

what about a BHO type extraction where the alcohols are evaporated off?

 

[CC_2U]

heady blunts

I don't know anything about the BHO process but if it results in a pure extract without any residue this might be the best way for a couple of projects that I want to pursue.

Adding Lavender extracts (or Rosemary) into neem oil would be the first run I would hope to accomplish.

CC

 

[jaykush]

just for everyone reading out there

IF YOU TRY AN ALCOHOL EXTRACTION, TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

and make sure to dilute a lot.

i have some extracting right now. i think they need more time.

 

[Scrappy4]

I always thought our teas had some alcohol in them. Molasses ferments, and there is usually wild yeast around, add some air and it's bound to ferment.. Granted not much alcohol with wild yeast.

There is some pretty aggressive yeast you can buy, that could ferment car tire, I think, if your having trouble fermenting alcohol. Scrappy

 

[Amber Trich]

At an herbal healing seminar I went to the head speaker said that the full strength of a tinctured herb will remain in water even after the alcohol evaporates.

I add a dropperful of tincture to a glass of water and let it sit for about ten minutes to a half hour.. it definitely tastes like the herb instead of alcohol when I drink it, and is still potent

Also, a lot of people use Bach Flower Remedies on plants. That would be 27% alcohol vs the 50% in a tincture though, and the dose is smaller..

Thanks for posting this idea, super interesting. should be fun to play around with.. Ive got lots of old tinctures, lavender and yarrow included.

 

[jaykush]

I always thought our teas had some alcohol in them. Molasses ferments, and there is usually wild yeast around, add some air and it's bound to ferment.. Granted not much alcohol with wild yeast.

i find molasses to be best used in ACT, there is absolutely no need for it in FPE. plant matter and water is all you need along with something to put it in. the microbes are in the plant material and water, the food is the plant matter.

heady blunts

I don't know anything about the BHO process but if it results in a pure extract without any residue this might be the best way for a couple of projects that I want to pursue.

Adding Lavender extracts (or Rosemary) into neem oil would be the first run I would hope to accomplish.

CC

cost too much, too much work, too complicated. just toss plant matter in water.

i feel that the alcohol tinctures i have going are going to be more for foliar sprays than anything else because of how much it will need to be diluted because of the alcohol.

 

[jaykush]

Thanks for posting this idea, super interesting. should be fun to play around with.. Ive got lots of old tinctures, lavender and yarrow included.

since you already have some, go dilute some and foliar spray to any plants you can spare( could even be veggies or other plants than cannabis at first) let us know how it goes. id go for the yarrow first.

 

[organicterra]

I recently made a dandelion fpe in a small salsa container. I filled the container about 3/4 full with chopped up material, then added water, 1/4 tsp molasses and 1 tsp AEM.
That was 2 weeks ago. I checked the pH and it was at 3.5.
Does this sound like I did it correctly? It smells sweet like the AEM.
I was thinking 1-2 tsp per gallon as a dilution.

 

[mad librettist]

Vinegar = acetic acid

EM-1 = lactic acid

I was all excited when I looked at horticulture vinegar (20% acetic acid) because it's a very effective herbicide which doesn't kill the soil just the plant itself.

So I thought that EM-1 would be equally effective and it is not and this was the explanation given to me.

CC

Strong EM-1 is only as acidic as orange juice. it's enough to bother some plants we like but not enough to kill weeds.

I have some of the 20% stuff, which can be found in asian groceries. It works for killing weeds during dry spells.

 

[jaykush]

I recently made a dandelion fpe in a small salsa container. I filled the container about 3/4 full with chopped up material, then added water, 1/4 tsp molasses and 1 tsp AEM.
That was 2 weeks ago. I checked the pH and it was at 3.5.
Does this sound like I did it correctly? It smells sweet like the AEM.
I was thinking 1-2 tsp per gallon as a dilution.

never checked PH before.

also never had any go bad on me or anything like that, the only thing that can go wrong it seems from my years of using them is not diluting enough and getting some burn. which ive only had happen a few times.

start with 1:30 dilution.